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  1. tlm

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    Ya 4 and 4 thats what it would be.LOL
     
  2. LeeD

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    Really! Cool, love that song, but it's played to death on FM radio.
    Matt, did you try a spider drill time yet?
    You can just tap your outside foot to the intersections and center hash, good enough for us.
     
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    I will tomorrow when I'm out on courts. I have a CS project that I have to finish tonight :(
     
  4. tlm

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    I will give sureshs credit for posting video, and I would like to see sureshs VS LeeD.
     
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    More like Cheetah vs LeeD, or PowerPlayer vs LeeD.
    I"m still 5'10" and 150 lbs., move like lightning compared to Suresh. This with a hobbled ankle and some knee problems.
    I posted a spider drill time of 20.3 from a total resting heart rate, I'd just walked on court, dropped my bags, and started. I can bet I can drop it by 3 seconds easily after some warmup, if not more, and that would be still 5+ seconds slower than what I could do if I can run.
     
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    leed is a shrewd old man. He will move me around the court.

    It is not a fair comparison because this is all that leed does in his life while the rest of us have real worries and responsibilities. You can't beat a guy with a free mind.
     
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    Okay in our TTW tournament, the most highly anticipated matches are LeeD vs sureshs quarters, LeeD vs Cheetah semis, PowerPlayer vs Topspin Shot quarters, Topspin Shot vs arche semis, and LeeD vs arche finals!
     
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    That is one of the reasons that moving like lightning is not on my priority list. I don't want to end up with bad knees and ankles, and become like one of those guys who arrive at the court with braces on arms and legs, and limping, and start listing their problems to anybody who will listen.
     
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    Ankle happenned when I did about a 7' high jump at Berkeley, didn't wear boots in late August, so my feet rolled over on the landing, and I could see the bottom of my foot for a good 200 yards, before I decided the picture wasn't right, pulled my foot out of the straps, and sailed in to the docks.
    Anyone who windsurfs with me will attest I'm one of the highest jumpers out there, proven by the fact I've broken 7 boards clean in half on landings from jumps, a few less than the legendary MikeWhite (fellow Seatrend team rider), but he insists on landing flat, and both his knees won't allow him to windsurf or kiteboard anymore.
    Suresh is a family man, he makes money, he takes care of his family, he owns a real car or two, a house, and probably has a mortagage and a real tax paying citizen.
    I spent all my life persuing some form of excellence in sports, quite a different life. I respect his totally, and the path he chose.
     
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    matt, I'd like to get in tlm's bracket if possible please.
     
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    Fixed your post.
     
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    LeeD is an old man.
    I also did the spider drill, from a total resting heartbeat, as soon as I walked onto a tennis court, no warmup whatsoever, and strolled to a 20.3 time, that I can almost do running 2 of the legs backwards.
    Started at a heart rate of 76, ended at 132.
     
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    Lee, now that you've seen video of suresh do you think he is a true 4.0? Could he make it on the San Pablo Courts?
     
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    He would do fine in the weekday morning pickup doubles.
    He would get trounced in the weekend 4.0 pickup doubles, because most of the guys there are ex D-2 or 3 singles players.
     
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    LOL and they are playing 4.0 doubles.

    Doubles doesn't excite me.
     
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    They play doubles because, like you, they have jobs, family, responsibilities, and are usually out of playing shape for singles.
    I'd worry about playing singles if I were you. The movement, the stopping and starting, the court coverage, just has to be hard on your heart.
    Think you have at least 50 lbs. on the biggest guy in the weekend doubles.
     
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    I played singles thrice on Sunday and lived to tell the story. I don't get fatigued. I just start having aches and get mentally bored. I can play singles for 1.5 hours before I just don't like it any more. I have played 3 to 4 hours of doubles at a stretch.

    But got to be careful as you point out. Right now my tests are completely clean. I suffer from genetic metabolic syndrome which is like a vague precursor of all bad things.

    I think I am going to cut down a little on the dinner tonight.
     
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    I'm not losing a point to arche. Every shot he hits, I'm calling out. :)
     
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    The match I want to see is Topspin Shot vs me or Topspin Shot vs Cheetah. My money is on Topspin Shot when he plays Cheetah, and we would have a good match so I wouldn't bet money on it haha.
     
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    Cheetah 6 - 1 TopSpin Shot
     
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    I think bbob vs tsShotwould be a good match. Who do you have money on for that Mattvak?
     
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    Too much trash talk here :)

    Anyway, someone mentioned feeling cheated after watching the video. In my case, I don't feel that way. Cheetah's advice has been instrumental to the retooling of my forehand. He's been nothing but patient, and it had paid dividends for me. Still owe ya a beer man.
     
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    Sureshs i told you what to do to lose the weight. Now its up to you to execute.
     
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    Hey, what's up GregG?
     
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    You would take me most likely. You hit the forehand too well. I don't know how good Cheetah is from his hitting videos.
     
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    Superrotatus 6 - 3 Cheeterer

    5000 RPMs of topspin will do that to a one hander, even the Cheeterer's. :twisted:
     
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    Just curious where you got your alter ego Topspin Shot? Is that a Greek name?
     
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    I am a 7.0 at mini tennis. I can take him there:)
     
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    Superrotatus Iactus is Latin for Topspin Shot. I took Latin in high school.

    Superrotatus is armed with an 85 mph 5000 RPM forehand and grinds like a champ. He has to work out the kinks against Linkovic, but he dominates Cheeterer on clay and more recently all surfaces.
     
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    It's coming together. Will try to get some good video soon.
     
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    Topspin would outgrind Cheetah imo. Topspin probably 6-3 or 6-2
     
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    In actual match play I protect my bh. I run around it a lot and I figure out how/when/what types of ball/plays the opponent can/does go to my bh and adapt my game for that.
    That's my main priority... 'how is he going to hit to my bh and how can I prevent that as much as possible? Then I try to figure out what they don't like and what shots make him cough up a short ball'.

    You can't out-grind me because I don't grind... unless forced to under repeated attack. I'm either going to swing for a winner at first opportunity or come to the net. All I want is a short ball that I can get to w/ to my fh so I troll for that. In the rally vids you've seen RKelly and I definitely have it turned down a notch as far as pace goes because we were filming and I wasn't running around the bh because it was just rallies.
    Also I go to the net a lot in actual match play.

    If I ever did face you I would make you run wide on your fh because you like to slice those back. If your slice isn't penetrating then I"m swinging away. Also I would hit to your bh a lot with i/o fh's and wait for a short ball.
    Of course I'll make my share of errors and double faults and all that but don't expect to be 'grinding' and don't expect me to be limping around either. I'd make sure I haven't played too much tennis for a few days b4 the big event haha.

    So there's my standard plan. you'll need a game plan to counter that.
     
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    In actual match play I protect my bh. I run around it a lot and I figure out how/when/what types of ball/plays the opponent can/does go to my bh and adapt my game for that.
    That's my main priority... 'how is he going to hit to my bh and how can I prevent that as much as possible? Then I try to figure out what they don't like and what shots make him cough up a short ball'.

    You can't out-grind me because I don't grind... unless forced to under repeated attack. I'm either going to swing for a winner at first opportunity or come to the net. All I want is a short ball that I can get to w/ to my fh so I troll for that. In the rally vids you've seen RKelly and I definitely have it turned down a notch as far as pace goes because we were filming.
    Also I go to the net a lot in actual match play.

    If I ever did face you I would make you run wide on your fh because you like to slice those back. If your slice isn't penetrating then I"m swinging away. Also I would hit to your bh a lot with i/o fh's and wait for a short ball.
    Of course I'll make my share of errors and double faults and all that but don't expect to be 'grinding' and don't expect me to be limping around either. I'd make sure I haven't played too much tennis for a few days b4 the big event haha.

    So there's my standard plan. you'll need a game plan to counter that.
     
  37. tlm

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    The question would be do you ever play matches?
     
  38. Cheetah

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    I play sets. occasionally best of 3. But I haven't played a sets regularly in the last 2 months except for 2 sets about 3 weeks ago. Why?
     
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    I don't reveal my game plans. :) If we end up the same part of the country, we'll play.
     
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    That would be pretty awesome tho just to meet/hit.
     
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    Yea I finally got a camera. It's good because I can see tons of things I thought I was doing but wasn't and things I thought I wasn't doing that I am etc. Very helpful. I even record my wall practices now.
     
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    Just wondering if you ever play in a league or in real matches thats all. There is a difference in just hitting around or playing a set or so as opposed to playing a match that counts for something.
     
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    Why does everyone keep telling me 'there's a difference between hitting around and playing a set'? no kidding. I know that.
    I've been playing tennis since I was 4. I'm 49 now. Played on hs team, leagues, usta tournaments, camps, city tournaments yadda yadda yadda. I've also played other sports at a higher level than this so I understand competition vs friendlies. I took 10 years off from tennis to play soccer so I've only been playing tennis again the last 2 years.
    I don't think there are too many ppl here that don't understand hitting w/ friends is different than a real match unless they are absolute beginners.

    Everyone knows this but some people here like to use the 'you know matches are different than rallying right?' as an easy way to insult people or bring them down or to appear superior etc. It's lame.
     
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    respect for putting up a video

    but i'd bagel u with just pushing
     
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    Thanks!

    Sure you would.
     
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    Wow you sure are defensive, I was just wondering thats all. I forgot that it is only okay for you to ask these kinds of questions, and of course you know everything.

    You are such a legend in your own mind that how dare someone ask you if you have played real matches.
     
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    Nonsense. You now have bionic legs.

    Only mortals like Nadal have such problems.
     
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    After a brief review of cheetah and tlm videos I say tlm would give cheetah a very hard match.
    Cheetahs movement is suspect. The right leg proped straight up on all fhs and waist bent over is a serious movement and recover issue for match play. There is no atheltic foundation of balance there on that side. The bh is also very suspect. I agree with some that there seems to be a lack of control whenever cheetah is moving to hit the ball. Especially on the bh side.

    Tlm has some pretty glaring weaknesses as well. But tlm has a good higher margin fh vs cheetah. And tlm moves much better imo. So I don't see movement as an issue for tlm vs cheetah.

    I don't think cheetah would be able to smack fhs like he wants to against the tlm rally moonball. Especially with his prep and stance. So he cannot dictate. Forget about the bh. That side is a crap shoot. Against the moonball its error after error. Even against rkelly and sureshs its error after error. And those are not spinning from 10 ft high like the tlm ball (tm)

    I say its tlm 6/4, 6/4.

    Could be ugly breadsticks if tlm can target just the bh.

    This is without seeing serves. Asuming normal rec serve not too fast and no double faults.
     
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    I don't think it's belittling at all to ask someone if they play a lot of matches.

    The reality is, the guy who plays the most matches is probably going to win because so much of this stuff boils down to experience under pressure.

    If you just go out and hit around, you are not going to win matches for a while until you start playing more matches.

    I started back into the game by hitting around and getting my strokes back and was not nearly as good at matchplay as I am now. I still have to seek out matches more than practice because some guys just prefer to hit.

    But the serve and return must be done as much as possible or you are not going to be good at matchplay.
     
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    I think this is a very well made point.

    The reason that someone's match play is relevant is because match play is the only real time when someone is forced to utilize the majority of tennis strokes. Most importantly the serve and return.

    Other strokes which must be utilized in matchplay that don't really get worked on during "friendly hitting" are: dropshots, overheads, volleys, lobs, and passing shots.

    When related to golf... "friendly hitting" is the equivalent of going to the driving range.
     
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