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  1. ga tennis

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    I took my daughter yesterday to have her checked out because she was complaining about her finger and the pain shooting up her arm.He said that she was totally out of alignment.He adjusted her and said he needs to see her for the next 3 days and once a month after that.He said he thinks we need to slow down on the training.Has anyone else taken their kid to the chiropractor and what do you think about chiropractors?THANKS!!!
     
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    chiropractic is dangerous snake oil

    any parent who takes their kid to one of the two-bit con artists who shill it is irresponsible
     
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    Yea I would really reccomend taking her to an MD with a specialization in sports injury.
     
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    Yeah chiropractics can be very dangerous depending on who it is... i always went to orthopedic specialists and hpysical therapists but that wasnt for my arm...
     
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    So Should I Not Take Her Back Today?
     
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    No, don't take her back. Even good chiropractic is highly limited in scope of practice and this guy is just outright scamming you. Take her to a real sports medicine specialist.
     
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    Kaiser Permenente, one of the biggest if not the biggest, health care service providers now provides Chiropractor services...so, the practice itself has come a long ways in acceptance in the medical field. But to your question, I personally would prefer to have your daughter examined by a pediatrician who can refer her to a sports related doctor. Also, has your daughter been examined for pronated feet? If she has that, her alighnment could be off, which can lead to problems in the knees, hips, back and neck. My daughter was found to have pronated feet correctable by an orthotic. Anyway, I'm not a doctor but I did sleep at the holiday inn....;-)
     
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    and jesus wept
     
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    oh no he didn't.
     
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    there is still no clinical evidence supportin anythin chiros do

    insurance companies have their own reasons for allowin stuff 2 be claimed, doesnt necessarily mean they are medically accepted. some hmos cover acupuncture and homeopathy as well

    its a sad state of affairs but we live in a country where most of the adults believe in an invisible friend in the sky, so its best not to hope for too much critical thinkin by the majority
     
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    You probably believe G.Washington was our 1st president even though you never seen him right?
     
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    Just like in all professions there are good professionals and bad. Chiropirators are a legit profession but you can expect that they will find something wrong related to posture, vertabra misalignment etc. Just like if you go to a surgeon he will likely provide you with surgical options vs a therapeutic approach.

    As a Dr myself, I would suggest you see an orthopedic Dr, preferably one that specializes in sports injuries. You are likely going to get a totally different diagnosis then the chiropractic, they may both be right and wrong, they are just looking at things from a different medical view point. Then, if you are uncomfortable with the diagnosis or their evaluation then just get a 2nd opinion. If similar diagnosis then you will feel more comfortable taking the next necessary step.

    Have you considered that her finger and arm pain may be solely due to her recent grip change.
     
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    how can u be a doctor and say with a straight face that chiro is a legit profession?

    their whole 'professional' philosophy is based on vitalistic hocus pocus that is totally contradictory to evidence-based medicine
     
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    The physical therapist said her finger and wrist pain was probably due to her grip change.I just felt like it was something nerve related because it spread up her arm.
     
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    They are good for some things, but not everything. People who don't believe in wholistic approaches to medicine and pain management, and who think they know everything already, will generally hate chiropractors and everything they stand for. I would encourage you to not be so shallow.

    At this point all professional sports (and teams), the US military, etc etc, employ the use of chiropractic care. Insurance companies (major and minor) offer chiropractic care benefits. And there is not doubt that chiropractic medicine is mainstream at this point. Any failure to acknowledge it at this point is strictly due to lack of knowledge.

    There are good ones and not so good ones, just like in everything else in life. The good ones blend physical therapy and massage therapy into their treatment. And know when to say no...they know when they can't really help. Worst case is when you get one who makes a problem worse because they don't now when to say no.

    If you're going to use one, ask everybody you know for a recommendation. If there are any major/professional sports teams in your area, find out who they use. And be smart enough to know when you need to see an orthopedic doctor.
     
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    I should have said that if I were in your situation I would take my child to an orthopedic doctor first. See how that goes and see if they recommend physical therapy. See what the physical therapist has to say/do. And if she doesn't get relief quickly after all that, then find the best chiropractor within 100 miles of your house.
     
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  17. ga tennis

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    Thanks Everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  18. INTO10s

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    I do suspect that it is related to the grip change and not caused by any nerve damage or ligament tear or stretch. Her hand & forearm muscle/ligaments are being used differently so fatigue and soreness is to be expected during this transition. As long as there is no localized areas or points of pain then all she may need is a little rest before getting back into it. She may benefit to doing some specific stretches or low weight exercises for her arm to help her cope better to the change. I suggest you discuss this problem with HW, I would expect that he has encountered this before and he should be able to some adjustment in her training to minimize the problem while still working on the grip change + he could suggest some helpful exercises.
     
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    That's the problem. Very few of them will turn someone away and say "that's something I really can't help with." Finger to arm pain is not something you should be seeing a chiro as primary treatment for.
     
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    Ignore the haters and the ignorant. For someone with major misalignment (spinal, hip, etc) it is not unusual for a Chiropractor at first to need to see a patient multiple times in a short period of time. As said before there are good and bad doctors and the same applies for Doctors of Chiropractic.

    A Chiropractor and their clinic should be as professional as a Medical Doctor and their clinic. If this Chiro is wearing puka-shells and flip-flops run the other way around.
     
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    iirc not only a grip change but an increase to 1500 forehands a day to adjust?! my arm is tender just thinking about it.
     
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  22. ga tennis

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    The reason i took her is because the chiropractor has helped me several times.I remember i could hardly walk and the chiropractor had me back running in less than a week.My main concern is that my daughter is only 10.
     
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    I guess i did rush it a bit :(
     
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    It's all a balancing act for those of us without a medical staff on team. If I ran to the doctor with every ache I'd have to move in. Kids are always mentioning something; blister, back, sore arm/shoulder, bruised toe and it can be tough to weed out what deserves md attention and what's simply part of playing. With all you've committed you're right in getting a quick set of opinions; hopefully nothing more than typical overuse soreness.
     
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    the opposite actually. nothing chiros do constitutes evidence based medicine. its principles are rooted in vitalistic silliness and studies repeatedly show that chiro treatment success does not surpass placebo thresholds

    insurance companies offer chiro because americans are by and large credulous fools, and there is a demand for the treatment. it is therefore good business sense 2 offer it, even tho it is a worthless option

    if you are lucky, you will get basically an expensive massage. if you are unlucky, you could be severely injured. chiropractic holds significant injury risk because its practitioners are poorly trained compared to real medical professionals and deal with an incredibly sensitive area of the body. the injury rates that these con artists inflict on their patients is scary

    any chiropractor who calls themselves a doctor should be shot. i would call them a disgrace to the medical fraternity but they are not even worthy of being designated as such. charlatans and snake oil salesmen to a man
     
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    My son goes to a chiro once a week. But it is for physiotherapy (knee) only. The place is behind our home so it takes 2 minutes for my son to get there. I made it very clear that only the orthopedic surgeon-recommended treatment should be performed and there shall be no attempt to align and no jerky dangerous movements at all. The chiro was disappointed, but I said all he can do are those exercises, take it or leave it.
     
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    Real chiropractic is bunk. The best chiros are basically physiotherapists.
     
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    I swore my kids would never go to a chiropractor....

    Anyway, I don't let the chiropractor ever work near their necks and also combine it with rest, ice, advil, and more rest.

    Best solution is cutting back before you run into a overuse injury.
     
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    I have no problem taking my daughters to the Chiropractor or going myself. I am 39 and have been going to the Chiropractor all of my life and I am still standing. Their is nothing that can help me when I have a rib out of place like the Chiropractor. Also look up the "Posture Guy" on this Forum and he might be able to help.
     
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    i think that is what u were tryin to say
     
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  31. I'm a rheumatologist so I do have expertise in the musculoskeletal system. It sounds like an overuse injury (probably tendonitis). If the pain is radiating all the way up the arm then maybe you could consider a nerve problem but I would be more inclined to look for nerve inflammation at the wrist or elbow rather than from the spine in a child as young as your daughter. Can you reproduce pain by palpating the soft tissues and joints around the wrist and forearm? If so, this suggests a tendon or bony injury and I would apply ice, take some motrin (if she is not allergic to motrin) and rest the arm. If the pain persists then see a sports medicine specialist/pediatric orthopedic specialist for an evaluation. I hope she gets better soon. If you are ever in Boca look me up, I would love to see your daughter play. My two boys train at Macci's. Good luck.
     
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    No that is not what I am saying. We got it you don't like them so just move on.
     
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    A lot of hate for Chiropractic on here.

    To me Chiropractic care is very simple and straight forward; if my body has a subluxation (partial dislocation) then I have my Chiropractor put it back in place. Follow it up with ice and rest and I am good to go. I could take anti-inflammatory and muscle relaxers (what my General Practitioner would probably prescribe) and have to rest longer, but I consider Chiropractic care the smarter choice for me.

    -SF
     
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    I wouldn't go to a chiro unless I was in a car accident and I wanted to inflate my bills to make it look more serious. Don't chiros have attorneys working in the next office? Split the insurance settlement 33.3/33.3/33.3 between lawyer, quack, and victim?

    Sounds like a good place to get health care. Especially for a small child. They have small back crackers for them.
     
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    'don't like them' doesnt begin to cover it. that is like sayin i dont like paedophiles

    generally i am not a fan of ppl who engage in child abuse. nor am i a fan of parents who are willingly complicit in the abuse of their own children

    the fact they are shoddy con artists is just the icing on the cake
     
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    OP had pain in her finger and went to chiro:confused: and chiro recommended multiple visits per weak for a month:confused: RUNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told GA that it is her racquet and strings many years ago.

    Chiros are good for cracking your back and adjustments. I can do that myself and to other players on the court. Saw the same coaches doing the same movements at the olympics and said to myself WOW I am doing this!!!!!! When you crack your back you release more oxygen into your blood and muscle it is like you shot yourself with adrenaline. You are tricking your body that it is injured and nature is correcting and trying to heal itself.
     
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    The post you quoted is regarding my view of my own Chiropractic care in general. DO NOT crack someone else's back. You could seriously injure them as you do not know what you are doing.
     
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    I get chiropractic treatment at least once a month and before tournaments. Its best if you get a massage before to relax the muscles and then be adjusted in order to stay adjusted for a longer period of time. It helps a lot, IMO.
     
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    I likes me neck and back cracked.

    My now 11 year old son has hip issues. Sport docs, hip specialists all prescribed physical therapy. It didnt work. Went to my chiro. He said the hips were just out of line. He made the adjustment. Pain was gone instantly and hips now felt right when he ran. The chiro office also did physical therapy to strengthen the muscles around the hips as well. We have gone back once every 2 month's approx and the hips have not bothered him since.
     
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    I use them all: chiros, osteos, physios, and sports doctors.

    I wouldn't use anyone but a specialist sports doctor for the initial diagnosis. It took me a lot of pain and mis diagnosis over the years to work this one out.

    I then use any combination of the remainder as necessary for treatment. They all seem to have their focus, and each do a few things well. Sadly, they each seem to also have areas of "weakness".

    I certainly wouldn't go to a Chiro for diagnosis of an injury - I say this based on my experience that the chiros ive been to relatively speaking don't seem to take as much "care" in their initial diagnosis as say a sports doctor does. They have also all been of the "you should stop playing/lifting weights/running" mindset - when clearly that isn't an option, and they dont seem that interested in improving muscular performance/issues (which seems a little short sighted).
     
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    One of my avid tennis playing buddies is a highly respected orthopedic surgeon in practice for many years. He is assoociated with one of the country's best hospitals and treats professional athletes. He questions chiropractic because the science is based on treating subluxations. He told me that he has done thousands of operations and never seen one.
     
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    this is a good approach .. most people who do strenuous sports activity will find that their body gets out of alignment .. when this happens ,it's followed by many different aches and pains ,it is usually caused by not having the right shoes or merely needing orthotics arch supports insoles... even then a good adjustment or periodic message will help .. you can check this yourself.. have your kid lay flat on their back and check the feet.. usually one foot is shorter than the other by almost an inch .. this will effect the athlete's body if you keep working hard.. we all need an adjustment every now and then or at least a good deep message..
     
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    Agreed, I thought it was all garbage myself until I was 17. I had severe back pain on my lower right side so bad I could no longer serve. My mom convinced me to see her chiro and get adjusted, after one session I was back to normal. I've continued to use them whenever I felt like I needed it since that time which is nearly 20 years.

    I more recently had an issue that was taken care of by a massage therapist where I was in severe pain. I thank her each time I see her for eliminating that pain and helping me get back to normal.

    I guess all the famous athletes that use the chiro are crazy???
     
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    Hi GAtennis....

    How's your daughter's wrist doing? What did you end up doing?
    Be careful with the amount of practice and competition a bit. I know of 5 girls age ~12-13 yr old that stopped playing tournaments for 8-12 months because of the wrist or shoulder issue. Theses are all nationally ranked, 4 or 5 stars kids practicing hard and playing tons of tournaments. Gotta give the growing body a break sometimes.
     
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    Everything is good.She went to the chiropractor once and now she has no issues.I gave her 3 days off after her appointment. I am gonna start giving her more rest time.
     
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    Sounds great! Even a one day break a week from tennis, might help freshen her body and mind. I know you guys are aiming for a pro career. Got to be even more careful about injuries.
     
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    I gave her this week off school so she could go train with H.W. for the week.
     
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    I know you are preparing for the regional so she must be working on tennis more. Keep checking on the wrist though. Make sure it is good to go.
    I am sure you are careful about her racquet and type of string she uses. One girl I know her wrist injury could have been from inappropiate types and tension of strings. Good Luck this weekend.
     
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    She uses the pure drive with 18g black code strung at 52lbs.
     
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    That is a stiff racket with poly strings at a rather high tension. I'd give thought to changing this entire set-up at the first sign of ANY tenderness.
     
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