Clamps & Turntable Comparison SP vs MP?

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  1. Il Mostro

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    I getting down the short strokes before ordering a machine. Does anyone have words of wisdom regarding any differences, pros/cons between the clamps and turntables of the Silent Partner DG and the Mutual Power Atlas 8600 and Atlas 9600? Based on my research I think I'll be fine with any of the three, but I want to be aware of any hairs that need to be split before pulling the trigger. Thanks.
     
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    I have never seen any of these in person, but it would be between the SP DG and the Atlas 9600, because they have less adjustments for mountings and spring assisted clamp bases. Looks like the Atlas 9600 has a foot pedal. Not sure if the SP DG does. The foot pedal makes it easier.

    I live in Houston where Mutual Power is shipped. I have asked to come by and look at the machines before but they said no. It's just a place for storage and shipping.
     
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    Thanks for the reply. No, the DG does not have a foot pedal, so edge to the 9600 there. While the people at MP seem straight according to people here who have purchased their products, they seem to bit a bit less buttoned-up than what I've read about SP. My gut feeling is that SP will provide better support in the long run.
     
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    Looks like there is a difference in the touch pads on these. I think the DG looks like it may have more features???
     
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    Don't get too wound up about electronic features. The main adjustments you will use are setting tension. Everything else you will probably keep the same.

    Silent Partner does have good support. I never really heard much negative about Mutual Power. Either would be a good choice, but I like the pedal.
     
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    I'm liking the pedal too. This is definitely a real-world benefit. I know the SP has more electronic bells & whistles (like multiple pre-stretch settings and more pre-set functions) but all I really need is contact pull, the ability to set tension and over-tension for knotting, right?

    I've spoken to MP a couple of times today to clarify a couple of points and I feel confident that their support will be adequate at the very least. So I think I will go with the Atlas 9600. I am going to sleep on it and unless I am struck by lightning, so to speak, this is my choice.

    It comes with 1 awl & 1 needle nose pliers. I am going to add a starter clamp to my order.

    Thanks for your help.
     
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    That should have read "constant pull".
     
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    Just when I thought I was done...

    After digging a bit more, it appears that constant pull works differently in the SP and MP once peak tension has been reached. According to the USRSA review of the DG, its microprocessor immediately recognizes any tension loss and operates to compensate for it. The Atlas 9600 stops once peak tension is reached. So, some tension will be immediately lost with the Atlas, right? Is this a big deal one way or the other?
     
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    sounds like the difference between constant pull and lockout, i would go for the CP, an upgrade i am making, i would go for the sp due to its track record
     
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    Also, for the starting clamp, I just ordered a GSS one. The other companies like SP and MP i've heard work well for about a year, then they crap out.
     
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    Yep, I feel the same way now. A different interpretation of "constant pull" on MP's part, I guess. Too bad, as I was digging the idea of the foot pedal, but CP is a deal-maker/deal-breaker.
     
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    Thank you -- I appreciate the good advice.
     
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    look past the little stuff like the foot pedal
     
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    Hmm, I think the SP Jive is cheaper than the Mutual power machine in question, and it's the same, and I think if you get the stand with it, you could get it for the same price with supposedly better customer service.


    EDIT: Depending on shipping, here's how it breaks down.

    MP Atlas 8600: $829 plus shipping
    MP Atlas 9600: $959 plus shipping
    Silent Partner Jive: $699 plus shipping
    Silent Partner Jive with stand: $699 + $120= $819 plus shipping (shipping for my SP swing was $30)

    So it is actually $10 for the same technology, supposedly.
     
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    Yes, I actually considered the Jive + stand. But I figured that if I was going north of $800 I might as well get the DG for $999 and be done with it. Plus I save myself the buyer's remorse and urge to "upgrade". :)
     
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    Good idea, if you're spending that much I'd get the DG as well. Some nice features.
     
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    Thanks for all the guidance, I will order on Monday. Already got my USRSA membership. So my foot is in the stirrup. :)
     
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    Hey man I literally just got my DG (this past friday). I have strung up a couple frames so far. I have strung on very high end machines (gamma 8800 els, Star 5) and the clamps are one of the only noticeable differences.

    Clamps
    The clamps are fine, but they are different in the way they lock. I can't really explain the technicals on how it works, but on the better clamps you don't have to adjust how hard the clamp "bites" when going from using a 16g to a 16L or even a 17 gauge string and you really only need to make adjustments when changing a gauge and a half or more in size and when you do change it because the clamp adjust itself you don't have to nail the adjustment perfectly, just get it in the general area. So far I have had to make adjustments to the clamps each time I have strung a racket because I have used different gauges. Other than that, they are pretty much fine. I have no slippage at all when they are adjusted properly. I checked it with a paper clip. I have also heard you can request a clamp upgrade through e-mail before you order and they will give you the clamps from the Aria which are essentially the star 5 clamps. I may or may not end up ordering the clamps it just depends on whether or not my racket volume gets to be where it is a problem that I have to adjust the clamps each time I change gauge.

    Turntable
    The turntable is better than I expected it to be for a thousand dollar machine. In fact the clamp bases slide better and easier than the clamp bases on either of the other machines I have strung on. Also the side support arms are both controlled by only one dial so that you get that perfect centering on the racket very easily when mounting it, which is something I didn't realize wasn't a standard until I started shopping for a machine in the $1000 dollar range. So that is nice. In fact I only have two gripes about the turn table.

    1. The side support arm dial and the head/throat piece dial are too close together. It isn't a big deal but it doesn't feel natural to turn the wheels only half a turn before you have to re-grab the wheel for another turn cause your hand will get stuck on the wheel above or below it.

    2. The table locking mechanism is a wheel (a small one at that) instead of a handle, so that it is kinda of hard to lock the table effectivley. And unless you plan on stringing a ton of O3 or Speed Port rackets or rackets with rollers on them, this also isn't a big deal.

    So there you go.
     
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    Also just so you know, the shipping was $60 on my DG.
     
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    Thanks Schwiz! Very informative, especially since you are using high end machines as a reference. I did not know about the clamp upgrade option -- it doesn't sound like it is a must-have, but it doesn't hurt to ask. I am excited about this and feel very secure with the DG. Thanks again.
     
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    Looks like the Maestro, Aria and Opus share the newer, upgraded clamps. Thanks for the pics -- sweet looking machine you've got.
     
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    The picture of the maestro on silent partner's site displays slightly different clamps. I was surprised when I opened it up and seen the clamps.

    They do look very similar to the Aria's clamps.
     
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    OK, I placed my order this morning after speaking with Steve Ord. I popped fro the extra $150.00 for the clamp upgrade. The upgraded clamps are diamond dusted rather than relying on a pitted surface for grip. Interestingly, it is not an upgrade, per se, since I will get the regular clamps plus the newer/better ones. More than I expected to pay, but I figured if I am going this far on my first machine I might as well go to "11" :)

    Thanks for all the advice and input on the part of you guys -- I appreciate it and feel 110% secure in my decision.

    Now the waiting starts...
     
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    Have fun with it. I love my swing. Silent partner's quality seems great so far. By the way, how long of a wait time?
     
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    They took a couple of days of last week and will likely ship tomorrow. Steve said to expect about 6 days, which sound about right from Buffalo to California. Too bad he can't put wings from the Anchor Bar and some beef on wick in the package :)
     
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