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  1. Number1Coach

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    Did anyone get out to watch any of the matches 14, 16 , 18's ?

    Did are old friend TennisCoachFlorida make it out ?

    Who were the players showing nice game and desire?
     
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    Watched a match between Martin Redlicki and Deiton Baughman. Redlicki won 6 3 6 0
     
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  3. MethodTennis

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    Cheers for that clear thread title, which totally didn't misslead me at all
     
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    I know Martin is a big strong lefty but I was surprised by the score as both of these guys can play. I hate to see 6-0 in the 2nd which leads me to believe that something was wrong with DB. He's too good and he's a fighter.
     
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    Very true but the match was very uneventful and sort of low energy. Redlicki played better in the beginning and there was not much resistance after the first set. It was sort of a surrender for the reasons obviously only known to Baughman.
     
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    Redlicki just beat Philip Simmonds in the qualies of the Lexington Challenger 2 & 3. Must be very good to put up a result like that.
     
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    Live streaming of the Lexinton Challenger starts tonight!
     
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    Knowing both players and being able to sit with Martins dad and say what I told him, I would say the performance by both players were weak,pathetic and embarrassing for American tennis , considering both these player possess the ability size ,strength,serves forehand,backhand, to turn pro instead of college, yet I didn't see even and ounce of energy or intensity a cheer-leading squad would put out on a bad day "the whole squad being hungover that is" .

    I must admit I am truly humbled and embarrassed that anyone who witness that match, watched 2 big guys play as though they were in their playpens and they were not willing to fight and swing their rattles with the authority that true champions do.

    Please none of you use the excuse Baughman has just turned 16 this year and is in the semis of 2 top nationals and thats not a bad run considering he is so young, so to you I say LOLOLOLOL Pathetic is pathetic
     
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    That was Michael who beat Phillip Simmonds not Martin. Martin was the brother that played in clay courts.
     
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    Wow...you actually said this to the other player's parent. It's your kid that lost 3-0.:confused::confused:
     
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    Redlicki may have not shown his best, however, still managed to administer a pretty convincing beating. Maybe if he was pushed by an opponent , he would have played with more intensity.

    If i were winning comfortably, as he was, i would not try to showcase myself in the 8 th match of the tourney. He could have been fatigued by the previous 7 matches. Whatever it was, his B game was that much better than Baughman' s B game.
     
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    Well no one needs to now that you have... way to slide it in there, dad!:)
     
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  13. Number1Coach

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    You consider that a beat down ? How long have you been around tennis ? If you were watching the same match I was , I watched 2 player who after about 3 games in the 1st set played and alltime low for both of them , I didn't see a beat down I saw 2 guys out there 1 trying to hit balls in and the other disguising his best game of outright tanking the match.

    And to the other poster and all on here his record"DB" is pretty nice considering his dad/coach has been predicting this is where he will be and has said where they are heading to the ATP but also honest enough to call it for what it is Pathetic ,,most poster on here dream of having the player Mr.Baughman has developed. Cheers to all
     
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    Ramblings of a mad man.
     
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    You are questioning how long have I been around tennis? well, long enough to know that losing 6 3 6 0 falls into the category of a beatdown. You can certianly try to sugarcoat it and say that the match was not high quality for both players and etc. But as you have mentioned yourself, DB tanked!!! I have yet to see that someone tanks when things are going their way. The only reason DB tanked because he was handed a very convincing beatdown by an unseeded player who was playing his 8 th match.

    DB did fine in this tourney until he got to the semis, won 5 matches and etc. But in both semis and 3/4 place match he was outplayed and that s that. He is still a good player and I wish him all the best on his way to making it to a top ATP money making pro but that humid day in Delray Beach he was bettered by a subpar (again, according to you)Redlicki and that my friend, is a fact!

    Listen, dad, you started this thread the day before your son played a semis match, asking a question as to who was impressive in the clay courts 14, 16 , and 18 s? You were hoping that someone will mention your boy and I did. It is not my fault that one match I happened to see was the one where he got hammered by his opponent. I guess in a way, YOU ASKED FOR IT!!!
     
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    While you may truly feel that way, why even go there? It's not necessary.
     
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    Actually, he started the thread on Saturday after 8 p.m., so the semifinal loss had already happened.
     
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    Cause as always my friend I call it for what it is no matter who it is , we like to candy coat , we like to coddle , we like to act like when our player is out there half speed and not giving it his all "he or she is having a bad day"!

    Had I been somehow coaching both those players during that tourney i would have pulled both and made them walk to Fort Lauderdale .

    The problem is we don't go there ! We don't produce like we use to with the "pressure" of great coaches and tough parents , now we say let them mature in college a few years AKA let them develop under the "peer pressure" of teammates . See on a team they will get punished "hey your no longer #3 your #5 you need to "fight"for your spot", "something Martin and Deiton were not doing ! Otherwise they would have had a 3rd meeting that would have probably would have been another tight 3 setter like their last 2 matches.
     
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    it seems that number1coach's ramblings on tennis are about on a par with his views on biblical creationism
     
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    Was hoping are good friend TCF was there and was wanting to see if he had feedback on many players and finally saw the DB in person .

    As for his results at a young 16 getting comfortable with his size I am very satisfied with the progress we make from hand feeds ,a ball machine and his 1 hitting partner a week .

    He has no clinics ,no academy,no high performance and is fortunate to have a regular hitting partner, another jr in so Cal.

    I am not looking for praise nor compliments all the sponsors do that and we are on course . Once Again Cheers
     
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    Please be brave enough to give your resume ! LOLOL

    Because I am not stupid enough for follow and believe blindly in a so called process that has no facts or evidence to back its claim of monkeys to men , please what ever you do "need not to forgive me for my smart position"
     
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    Right...don't candy coat or coddle, just preemptively tame expectations with the usual excuses...:roll:

     
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  24. coaching32yrs

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    Making into the semis of the 18s National Clay Courts is a nice accomplishment. However, you have to keep in mind that 8 of the top 12 USTA ranked players did not play the event. Also, there are several top American 15-18 year olds that have either turned pro or are playing ITF events and have foregone a USTA ranking. It is difficult to see the logic of saying reaching the semis puts any player on track to be a top 20 ATP pro.
     
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    Hey thanx for your input but could you give us the names of the 15-18 yr olds now playing pro for the USA ?
     
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  26. coaching32yrs

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    That is an excellent question. The definition of "pro" I am using is that the player has signed a contract and received money from an agent. This makes the player no longer eligible to play college tennis. I also believe, but am not 100% sure, that the player no longer has a USTA ranking and therefore cannot play USTA Super Nationals. Maybe we can get some clarification from others on this point. In any event, there are 15-18 year olds that have signed with agents and are playing ITF events only. I will not name names.
     
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  27. kme5150

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    Christian Harrison, Mitchell Krueger, & Alexios Halebian are the 3 that come to mind first.
     
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    I think M.Kreueger if off to a Texas school . Any others ?
     
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  30. Number1Coach

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    Thanx , this is great to see really will be pulling for him ! This kid is going after a dream he is making reality by going for since he was real young .
     
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    You have no worrys you can do what most on here do , stay hidden behind your screen name, its the bravest way for most on here to say what they normally wouldn't dare if they were here in person.

    I know your not like most on here, read enough of your post, most on here act as smart as all the college educators there in Co. who were handing this nut job government grant money and there was some shooting range owner who said he wouldn't let that nutcase in his range!! Amazing what the high and mighty couldnt spot!
     
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  32. Tennishacker

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    Time for DB to turn pro.

    Stop wasting time with juniors, gaining nothing out of playing in the juniors.

    DB needs to take same route as Ryan/Christian Harrison.

    Now is the time to decide, pro or college. Can't have both.

    Good luck!
     
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  33. kme5150

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    The Hardcourt Supers allow professional players to play as long as they meet the age requirements.
     
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  34. coaching32yrs

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    It's difficult for anyone to figure which players have pro potential. I look at 2 things- size and athletic ability. They are 2 essential ingredients. They don't predict or correlate to pro potential but without them there is no pro potential.
    In the area of athletic ability I believe the player has to be in the top 1/10th of 1% of the population in terms of athletic ability. On the men's side, I believe the player needs to be a minimum of 6'1".
     
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  35. Tennishacker

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    I think you need to add "desire".

    Desire separates the truly greats from the rest.
     
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  36. Tennishacker

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    All super's should give winners WC's to a ATP/WTA tournament.
     
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  37. Number1Coach

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    Your pretty acurate here , I wish my player was around 6'2 . We are looking at players here in the US that are usually under 6'0 and the ones that are over that we allow them as jrs to trust in their size and don't work towards making them athletes.

    I saw that a few years back here in So.Cal we had a girl name Glatch who was the full package and her dad would not push her to do off court training at 14- 16yrs and what a real let down to see this girl not sucseed beyond the futures and sometimes challengers.
    Dang she had a huge forehand ,great serve , solid backhand 6'2 what a bummer.
     
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  38. Number1Coach

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    Decision was already made .
     
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  39. Alohajrtennis

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    Just like David Ferrer.
     
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    Thank you....... I was thinking 'Damm, no one better tell Ferrer that he is not 6'1"
     
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    ...says the guy known to have more than a couple screen identities over the years.
     
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  42. Number1Coach

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    Your just upset cause you were in complete agreement with 1 screen name and was arguing with the other 2 ,,don't feel bad TCF was planning stuff against Mr.B with 1 of the screen names they had a great plan going .

    Now this is what. I have heard from other posters as you can see I live in Co. the state of a beautiful mountain range . But I must admit I love all the legendary storys all you highly educated went through with this peasent.
     
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    BTW what's your real name ? Now let's see what kind of stones you have in your garden to answer that question .LOLOLOlOL
     
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  44. BMC9670

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    Not upset. I've just pointed out the contradictions, exaggerations, outrageous claims, predictions and hypocrisy that you throw out there. Kind of amusing, actually.

    Doesn't matter who I am. I'm on here to learn and help where I can. I don't misrepresent myself.
     
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    What outrageous claims ? oh the D2 predictions by TCF ? ,what exaggerations?Yes it was said we would end up on top when we "needed" to be ?Yes it was said when he was 12 !
    Lets see just turned 16 a couple of months ago and is a repeated semi finalist at Super-Nats and in the local Regional Nats in So.Cal he wins them in the 18's and was a finalist at the Claremont ITF !! Where is the prediction problem ?

    Or should we ask where the envy is?
     
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    dood have u looked at ur player recently? theres ur missing link right there
     
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    Been down this road before and don't care to rehash. Same old BB. Believe me...no envy here.
     
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