Closest To Gut?

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  1. Josherer

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    Hey guys,

    I searched the forum but couldn't find much...

    As stated in the tittle, what strings play closest to gut form everyone's experiences..

    Thanks. :)
     
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  2. nickb

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    A gut hybrid. :)

    Nick
     
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  3. Valjean

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    Depends on the gut, these days.

    If your taste is Babolat's VS, though, you might find Wilson's K-Gut Pro to your liking. Those who, for whatever reason, tend to BDE's Performance might enjoy Babolat's Xcel Power.

    There is no true equivalent for Pacific's Prime yet.
     
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    Wilson’s K-Gut/K-Gut Pro

    I agree with Valjean. I found K-Gut, and K-Gut Pro to have about 90% of Babolat VS natural gut playing characteristics – including spin, touch/feel and especially arm-friendly.

    And for most of us who do not string our own racquets, installing natural gut, including the cost of labor, is often about 50% more expensive to twice as expensive as K-Gut/K-Gut Pro. Since they last about the same time, K-Gut/K-Gut Pro may be one of the best deals in tennis.

    I would also recommend against pre-stretching K-Gut Pro.
     
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  5. iplaybetter

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    having only used gut in hybrids it seems quite a lot like x-1
     
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  6. Lambsscroll

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    BDE rally Natural Gut gut is 2 dollars more than K-Gut.
     
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  7. nickb

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    True...why use a imitation string when you can use the real thing for only a few $2 more...for a few dollors the increase in performance is massive. Babolat tonic is only a few $ more expensive too...

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  8. Pro_Tour_630

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    as the rest I agree with valjean,

    total disregard to guage as usual which is the most important aspect when selecting a string IMO.

    It is funny how people who want to spend just a few bucks more do not realize that the thinest rally comes in 16g 1.30 while Kgut does come in 17g 1.27mm. To someone that does not care about diameter/guage and only care about durability then yes spend the extra few bucks and get the real thing, but there are some out there that care for thinner string because they perform better with thinner strings and would go for the Kgut over rally and the three bucks difference is out the window in this case.

    that is the same reason between Klip 1.20mm and NRG/biphase 1.18mm only the difference in $ is even larger in this case $10
     
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  9. nickb

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    1.27 is more like a 16....not many people if ANY would notice or more importantly care.
     
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  10. Pro_Tour_630

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    no it is more like 16L get your facts straight , nick why do they even have measurements of 15, 15L 16 16L 17 17L 18 18L etc... why bother? hey they all play the same right, who cares!?!?!?

    as usual you keep on saying you do not care yet you keep responding to my posts.

    I know you can tell the difference between a 17g 1.25mm and a 16g 1.30mm of the same string. but in this case one string is 1.27mm and the other is 1.30mm that is .03mm apart .

    heck I can tell the difference in gauge between a string that is 1.18mm and the other that is 1.20mm which is even less .02mm difference.

    Believe it or not nickb there are some people who are sensitive to gauge thickness and you being one of them. It is really a shame that you will skirt/dismiss this known fact which deep inside you agree to just so you can maintain your faulty argument. sad really

    here is one and me and you, that makes three that we know believe me there are more. your average 4.0 and below hack would not know nor care, I give you that
     
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    I dont know 1 advanced player that cares about how thick a string is around here...that includes the ATP players I string for and other highly ranked mens open players. (they all use 16g or 15g)

    Yes I can tell the differnece between a 1.20 and a 1.18 string just like you but it does not bother me...I like 16g..its what I have always used.

    Many advanced players have to use a thicker string as 17g is just too fragile..

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  12. Pro_Tour_630

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    finally we agree thank you, you are right advanced players can play with just about anything even chicken wire and are able to perform. It does not bother you but it bothers me especially on second serves. I wish it did not, I really do, but it does, the action I get from thinner strings is massive, especially when I win most of my points on seconds. I can only give you my experience with the 5.0-5.5 players i regularly play with. I hate the fact that I am stuck with this PT630 which is dense, I do not have this problem with the OPEN prestige pro but then other problems come up where the Pro is not as stable and I do not have directional control nor feel as well as the PT630, it is a dilema for me I know. I know you know what I am talking about which is why you give a damn since you strung your frame many time last year and I commend you for that, it means you care and are sensitive to your strings
     
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    Then again, there was the story floating around about Nadal. Babolat sent him the wrong gauge string, 17 instead of 15L and no one including Nadal's stringer caught it. Nadal was practicing and in a mini-panic because he was hitting everything long. The report was the culprit was the gauge... thoughts?
     
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    I can't imagine this, unless the stringer was absolutly clueless about what Rafa usually used.

    . . . Bud
     
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    Okay this is a true story . . .

    I was working the stringer's desk for the 2006 RCA championships. I was sorting through some of Tommy Haas' racquets and noticed one had VS 1.25 and the rest had VS 1.30.

    The lady I was working with called his coach (who is the one who dropped off the racquets, to her), and got no answer. She called Tommy, and he said he uses 1.30. So.=, we set the racquet with 1.25 aside and strung the others.

    Later on that day, Tommy's coach came by to drop off some 1.30, for the other stick. He said, "Next time put the string in I left, and don't ever call Tommy".

    This basically told me, according to his coach Tommy couldn't tell the difference.

    Tommy basically exlpoded, the next match. He was yelling at his coach, the whole time. After the match, he walked over to the ball kids and gave them his racquets.

    . . . Bud
     
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  16. Pro_Tour_630

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    look at the VS 17g that TW currently carry they make it a point that is the 1.25mm in the tile do you see that in other titles?, the 17g VS gauges they use to carry in the past were 1.27mm, not sure if any of you remember that batch, I remember clearly I hated the older batch of 17g VS that TW had. And that was only .02mm difference.

    Like I said NG is "natural" and sometimes you get inconsistency in guage. what separates the big boys from the little boys is being able to identify this issue and be able to make them as close as possible. You don't have this problem with Premium Multis.

    It seems, Tommy is sensitive to gauge, he can play with 1.30mm but to have optimal performance in that match he preferred the 1.25mm that day. It all depends on different opponents, surface, ball, condition, altitude etc. as well.
     
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  17. Pro_Tour_630

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    during the australian open nadal was getting his butt kicked by simon. all of the sudden nadal looked and his coach, pointed to his strings and shook his head in disgust, went over to his bag and picked up another stick, all of the sudden there was a dramatic difference in his performance, he could not miss, I dont know what is was? most likely tension rather than guage or both? dunno , anyone see that match ?
     
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    Id imagine nadal would have been able to tell within a few shots in the warm up...I dont think it would take a while for him to realise he had the wrong string.

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    bsandy: a pro I worked with one time told me that he was stringing a tour circuit match in houston when Philapousis (sp?) came in with racquets and string. Left them to be strung. His coach came in behind him and said to take the green fuzz out of the racquets he actually used, re-stencil them and not to restring them (poly strings.) Place them in plastic bags and give the coach the packets of string. The pro still got paid, but the story is the same as above.
     
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  20. Azzurri

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    Back to the ORIGINAL post...

    Why would anyone want a multi that plays like gut? I assume the price? Well I was one of those people. I tried at least 8-10 multi's and never liked them much. The main problem was they would go dead in ajust a few hours, sometimes within a set!! So made the switch to gut and thought why not hybrid (since many posters claim most of the racquets feel is from the mains), so now my string costs $13..cheaper than most good multi's and play a lot better to boot (hold tension very well).
     
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  21. bsandy

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    NRG2 for about a set.

    . . . Bud
     
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    Oh, sorry bout beating a dead horse. :D It's my only funny story about pros. :D

    I have a great one about customers though. I had someone come back complaining about the tension, "Too tight," they say. "Stringers fault!" So, being in a customer service-happy business I'm allowed to say, okee-dokee and make it right. I put it to the side and go to lunch. The guy comes back and wants the racquet. Co-worker looks at racquet, sees it's just been strung and says here you go!

    I come back and am obviously in a panic, where's the racquet? Co-worker says it's okay, he took it, he seemed very happy with it this time. And, later in the week he came back to tell me what a great job I did that time. :)
     
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  23. Azzurri

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    Exactly...my main issue is not that a multi is not playable or good, but the time they perform is way, way too short. So to me, multi's suck because of this. I really believed all the hype/crap about multi's that are near gut..yea, for an hour or less. So to me (and most other obviously) paying over $15 for a multi is not a valid option after playing gut.
     
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    Ha Ha that's hilarious... :)


    Hey guys. I picked up some K Gut and i'm going to put it on the mains with some alu rough on the the crosses.. Thanks
     
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  25. Azzurri

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    Great story! My story is sort the same, but not:

    My friend likes his string at 65#. We took his 6.2 Hammer (The Skunk) to the local pro shop to have it strung. He got it back 3 days later...way too loose. The guy at the desk apologizes and says he will have it re-strung. a few days later we were playing a match and we stopped by the counter to ask if the racquet had been strung. The guy (same guy) says yes. Again, the tension was way too loose. The guy became angry and told us the racquet was strung on a 3K machine and its strung at 65#...he asked who would know more, you or the machine. My friend, always a calm person asked for my Swiss gadget. He tells the guy in a stern, but calm manner the string is too loose and he was not paying for the string job. He cut out the string in front of the guy (it was my buddies string anyway). We left.

    almost 2 weeks later, he gets a call from the "stringer at the club. The guy was extremely upset that he may have "lost" my friends racquet. He looked everywhere for it and was concerned it had been stolen...he finally tracked down my friend (through an aquantance) and informed him he would be willing to find another in at least better the condition no matter the cost. My friend asked him if he ever got a chance to string it...the guy told him the club called about the racquet to get it strung at proper tension. He was gone on vacation for that week (the club failed to mention this). When he cam back, he could not find the racquet. The guy that my friend disagreed with was a P/T employee and was off the next few eeks to have foot surgery. So that is how the stringer thought the racquet was "lost". Need less to say, my friend confirmed with him it was never re-strung and when the stringer found out what happened, he said he would take care of the situation. Within days, my friend received an apology letter from the club, signed by the employee with a gift of 5 free string jobs, 1 free lesson and 1 free hour court time. I guess it ended up being worth the trouble...:)
     
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  26. Pro_Tour_630

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    Nick I wish you saw the match, especially the first set, It could have been the tension, it could have dropped? who knows but something was not right with his setup and when nadal switched it was like night and day, he was not missing and shots were kicking with amazing zip, poor simon he did not know what hit him it was over very quick after that

    I said the same thing a month ago

     
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    What would i gain/lose from switching to a syn gut or multi - from a poly
     
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    I had the the same issue with Klip Legend 18g, it was two sets
     
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    My issue is guage, to cut cost and still be able to play under 1.20mm I play BOW 18g ($15) mains with gosen 18g cross($1.5) total $16.50 . Back when BOW 18g was $20, my total set cost me $11.50. it was comparable to NRG2 18g, not now, I prefer going nrg18g ( I can get them for $11 or even biphase 18g for a $ or so more). plus they were a bit more durable than the BOW 18g. I have not tried NRG18g mains with gosen18g cross that would be interesting to cut cost by another $6 and see if that set up is comparable to BOW18/gosen18g but I doubt it is better or more economical and durable than my funky Ashaway Kevlar 18g/gosen18g. I did try asahway Kevlar 18g mains with Klip legend 17g cross, it was a dog and a dud, hated it. Next on my list is Bow 18g cross with ashaway Kevlar 18g mains, dunno might play too crisp and jumpy, we shall see.

    If I really want to treat myself, I dip into my private stash of Pacific Prime 18g that is dwindling :cry:
     
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    I haven't figured out the wisdom of using an 18g in the crosses. It loses tension faster and saws through the mains.

    You tried ashaway Kevlar 18g mains with Klip legend 17g crosses. You should try the Klip legend 17g crosses on one of your multis or 18g NG. (Take 2lbs out for the guage dif, and because the crosses are shorter).

    . . . Bud
     
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    you get more spin/bit, I know you are going to tell me that mains is what determines spin but it is cross as well, mains and cross form a []square the bigger more open the square the more spin, I don't have issue with cross sawing through mains since I have Kevlar mains

    you missed that:)

    Plus I string crosses much tighter than main, the crosses is what determines stringbed tension IMO. I string 40lbs mains with 65lbs cross. as I string the cross tighter my mains tighten up, I elongate the head of my frames
     
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    slappano: Here is a reason that is not price ---
    I REALLY like gut in my mains (with poly in my crosses) but I intend to start stringing myself and being a noob, am not very confident of handling nat.gut. Thus, I'd like to know what a viable gut alternative might be (understanding that there might be some compromises...). I know for sure that once I am confident about stringing (and have perhaps 50 accurate stringing jobs under my belt), I'll be back to nat.gut.
     
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    jaykay, there are plenty of unplayable guts; take, for instance, Titan. And I'm still waiting for the poly user who says is there a reason for a Klip's Armour Pro today? Get specific. It's still about what you want in a string, gut or no.
     
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  34. Casco

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    try titan narutal gut.
    you save alot of money instead of buying babolat or wilson gut.
     
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    I hear you. I strung maybe 20 times (I could be off) before I strung my racquets with the Klip...not as bad as I thought. I just took my time. No problems. In fact, I will be stringing my NEW ASIAN K90's Saturday...I got them yesterday. What stringer do u use?
     
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  37. slice bh compliment

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    Yeah, LaserFibre SuperNatural Gut Pro Stock. It really IS like gut. It's made of some synthetic surgical material that's used to replace stomach lining in humans.
     
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  38. slice bh compliment

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    Whoa, guys, chill. Relax. This is not gut-like at all.

    It's high time you kids take a deep breath, and rediscover the spirit of natural gut. Maybe they can start making natural gut out of hemp for certain people?
     
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    I'm not talking about unplayable guts. Only VS, BDE or Legend. I'm not a poly user, so can't concoct a response for you (with regard to furnishing a reason for KLIP's Armour Pro)... somebody else will have to do that. What I want in a string is feel, playability, comfort, spin and tension retention and if possible, ease of stringing thrown into the mix. Specific enough for you? Like I mentioned earlier, I like gut and I use gut. I'm looking for alternatives to gut for stringing on my own, till I get comfortable to try my hand at stringing gut by myself.
     
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    LOL...can you imagine that, you smoke it after you play it.
     
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    You're not only not responding to my posting and the spirit in which it is offered, you're not even close. How is that?
     
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    Titan makes a great cross string. I would never use it in the mains.

    I've had 1 bad set out of 10.

    2 out of 10 were perfect. The other 7 had spot that frayed (slightly), when I strung them.

    . . . Bud
     
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    I just strung 2 rackets with Babolat Xcel Premium, and I swore I thought I was stringing Gut string... Now I haven't played with it cause this is for a customer, but in the hands it felt like gut.
     
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    Ok. I think there might be some misinterpretation on either your part or mine, or both. Was your post meant for me or someone else? I don't get it... Can you explain?
     
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    You're way ahead of me; this was never about you but about a perspective you have. And I simply said that perhaps you cannot speak of "gut" until you have spelled out (for yourself; this was in no sense a demand) which one(s), since there is quite a range, and some might be quite inferior and others (Armour Pro, for example) simply out of place. If you had read this entry as just part of the thread, you might have been closer to my intent.
     
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    Ok. I get it now. I did spell it out a few posts ago.
     
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    ive been using gamma professional and its surprisingly close.
     
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    The question should be is there a multi that's close to gut that costs less than 15 bucks? No reason to buy a multi that plays close to gut that's around 19 dollars.
     
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  49. Azzurri

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    Sounds logical, sounds simple, but I have experienced the opposite. if there is a decent/good multi for $10, by all means buy it, but if this multi is lose to the price of a natural gut, then why buy it?
     
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  50. Valjean

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    I think Babolat's Xcel Power is the lowest you should go and have the string live up to a specific expectation, corresponding to BDE Performance. It's around $17 now.
     
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