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  1. Aykhan Mammadov

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    Just for information exchange: which brands ( men-women clothes, not sportive) are very prestigious in yr city/country ?
     
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    Well, some nice brands that are also what I call "status brands" (meaning they reveal (or falsely coverup) social status) would be brands like:

    Kennith Cole
    Old Navy
    Abercrombie
    American Eagle
    Lacoste
    Gap
    Tommy Hillbillyfinger

    ..... yeah, stuff like that.
     
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    Abercrombie and Fitch
    Hollister
    Banana Republic
    Express
     
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    Stuff that I don't buy.. Overpriced.
     
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    Armani Xchange
    Seven for All Mankind
    Hudson
    Polo/Blue Label Ralph Lauren
    J. Crew
    Lacoste
    Uggz (I <333 my Uggz)
    Coach
    Dooney & Bourke
    Puma (for like casual sneakers)
     
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    o_O the only ones that i recognise so far are:

    Lacoste - Yeah, pretty expensive.
    Ralph Lauren - Yeah, megah expensive
    Puma - Yeah, like are they really that expensive over there? pretty cheap here :/
     
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    any designer who has a boutique in the Quadrilatoro d'Oro in Milan or on Bond Street/New Bond Street/Sloane Square in London. I suppose the UK based brands who fit this bill would be anything on Saville Row (Kilgour, Alexandre, Nick James, Chester Barrie, Gieves and Hawks) and Aqcuascutem. Oh, and Burberry of course - now hijacked by the chavs/neds - see the British slang thread!
     
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    I have two of the same pair of Pumas in different colors. Each were 90 dollars and they're not even leather.
     
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    Paul Smith
    Blue Cult (Women, they have some more expensive Jeans collections)
    Alprausch (Swiss brand)
    Ermenegildo Zegna
    comme des garçons
    Duffer of St.George
    G-Star (more casual style)
    Strellson (Swiss brand)
    Navyboot (Swiss brand, leather shoes and gear)
    Akris (Women, Swiss brand, also known at fashion weeks NYC etc., very expensive!)
    Bikkemberg
    and of course the classics like Dolce & Gabbana, Boss, Jil Sander, JOOP!, Louis Vuitton, Gucci etc.
     
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    Paying for a name...
     
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    Paul Smith
    Blue Cult (Women, they have some more expensive Jeans collections)
    Alprausch (Swiss brand)
    Ermenegildo Zegna
    comme des garçons
    Duffer of St.George
    G-Star (more casual style)
    Strellson (Swiss brand)
    Navyboot (Swiss brand, leather shoes and gear)
    Akris (Women, Swiss brand, also known at fashion weeks NYC etc., very expensive!)
    Bikkemberg
    and of course the classics like Dolce & Gabbana, Boss, Jil Sander, JOOP!, Louis Vuitton, Gucci etc.

    Find most of the brands flagship stores at "Bahnhofstrasse" in Zurich City, a few nice jewellerys (with the world famous Swiss watches) are there too. Be sure to carry your big wallet with you (or leave your girlfriend/wife at home :D)
     
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    double post, sorry
     
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    What an incredibly inspirational thread. I'll just stand aside for Deuce to "weigh in" here, in 4...3..2...1...
     
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    I hope you're not saying that Old Navy and Gap are status brands, are you? Within that company, Banana Republic is their status brand. The Banana Republic stuff is priced about 3-4 times higher than the Old Navy stuff. I always thought of Old Navy as clothes for either economically challeged people or people on a serious budget. Kind of like Wal-Mart clothes.
     
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    Yeah, you're right; but from the high school perspective, I guess Gap can have some status when a large portion of the kids are wearing no-name clothing. But generally speaking, you're definitely right - Gap does not belong on that list.
     
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    So you think that you are less "economically challenged" because you dont buy at OLD NAV???
     
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    Where has your head been buried? It must have been for you to make such an ignorant statement like that. Old Navy is just another brand that inner city kids, predominately black, took to...as a "status symbol" if you will. Doesn't have much, if anything to do with being "on a serious budget", although that is certainly another reason to shop there, I guess. The same way that they made Calvin Klein, Tommy Hilfiger, Timberland and Ralph Lauren popular among younger (and less privleged people)-and those aren't exactly "budget" brands. Later, Hispanic, white, Asian and other kids caught the "wave" of this inner-city fashion, which is why, in my old Brooklyn neighborhood,the Arab kids were walking around looking (and talking) like rappers.

    I know you post a lot here, but you may do better to stick to the racquet section-when you discuss social issues, your bigotry seems to come out, without a lot of prodding.
     
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  19. Ronaldo

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    So like what happened to Baby Phat and BeBe?
     
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    Phil, what are you talking about? Are you arguing that dirt cheap and status symbol are NOT usually mutually exclusive? The other brands that you mentioned, i.e., Calvin Klein, Tommy Hilfiger, Timberland, and Ralph Lauren ARE status symbols BECAUSE they are expensive brands. Old Navy is NOT. Old Navy clothes are cheaper than the clothes they sell at Target. I certainly wouldn't brag to people that I buy my clothes from Old Navy nor would I feel proud of having the Old Navy logo branded across my chest just as I wouldn't exactly feel proud of having the Target or Wal-Mart logos on my chest.

    The Gap Corporation has three distinct retail chains and brands. Old Navy is the budget, low-priced brand and store. The Gap is the mid-priced brand and store. While Banana Republic is the high-priced, status brand and store. I'd bet all three brands' clothes are likely made in the same Asian factories, but they are priced very differently to reach different segments of the market.

    Would you consider BMW's and Mercedes-Benz status symbols? Why? Because they are expensive! Would you consider a Hyundai or Kia status symbols? No, because they are cheap. Which is considered a status symbol, a Rolex or a Timex? I'll give you a hint. One is more expensive than the other and the more expensive one is usually considered more of a status symbol.

    Gee, it's not rocket science here. :rolleyes:
     
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    No, it's not rocket science, but it's a lot more complicated than your little explanation makes it out to be. "Status" is not always about price tags. There are status symbols that become status because of their price, and there are status symbols that become that way because people or groups DECIDE that those brands are what they want to wear to identify with a particular aesthetic. Some of the latter may be ultra expensive, and yet, they may not always be-Old Navy, Timberland and other brands were "chosen" as a group's fashion choice, for reasons beyond price (Timberland boots are moderately priced). Toyota SUV's were late 90's status symbols for drug dealers in my neighborhood, replacing BMW's (which is a more "obvious" status symbol). In the city where I now live. LV bags are status symbols, but so are canvas Chuck Taylor Converse All Stars.

    I KNOW you have more Ivy degrees than I have brain cells, but this topic is beyond you, obviously. It's more to do with society and culture as a whole, than mere price tags.
     
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    Did I say that I don't buy at Old Navy? I'm saying that I don't consider Old Navy a status symbol brand in the least. Why? Because the clothes there are dirt cheap. Status symbols by definition are expensive items, unless you want to show-off your status of being too poor to buy expensive clothes. That's probably why Old Navy is so popular amongst poor colege students. I guess the rich kids would be wearing Lacoste, Ralph Lauren, Abercrombie, etc.

    And since I'm not into status symbols, I do own some Old Navy stuff and I DO NOT own any Lacoste, Ralph Lauren, Abercrombie, Armani Exchange, Tommy Hilfiger, etc. nor any overpriced designer brands. I buy whatever fits, looks good, feels good, is on sale, and is of good value compared to comparable items from other stores, regardless of the brand. Brand is irrelevant to me. I still can't believe some people pay over $100 for a pair of ripped up designer jeans. What's up with that? :confused: BTW, I also shop at Target.
     
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    Toyota Land Cruiser SUV's are very expensive! That's why they are status symbols. Just like Lincoln Navigators and Cadillac Escalades are. Some Timberland shoes and boots can be expensive and most of their clothes/coats are relatively expensive. LV Bags are obviously expensive everywhere but I'd be willing to bet that Chuck Taylor Converse All Stars are much more expensive in Japan, where you are, than in the US, and are likely more difficult to obtain, which raises their market value, and thus, status.

    I think you may be confusing "status symbol" with "popularity". By definition, a "status symbol" is an item that shows off one's socio-economic status. "Popular" just means that the item is worn by a lot of members of your peer group. It doesn't convey socio-economic status as much as it conveys inclusion or belonging to a certain group. Unless, of course, the "status" that you want to convey is one of low socio-economic status.
     
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    You don't get it. It's not always about the price tag in the inner city. A "status symbol" doesn't have to "convey socio-economic status". It may covey PRIDE or exclusivity of a group. I am definitely aware of the difference between a status symbol and something that is merely popular, although sometimes it's a fine line between the two. Toyotas and Hondas-not "cheap", but not even close to the Caddies and Lincolns, and, the people that drove these things, COULD afford the more expensive models.

    Chuck Taylors are not difficult to find in Japan, and they, like EVERYTHING in Japan, are more expensive than they are in the USA, but still not ridicuously so.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the word "status" in the term "status symbol" means "socio-economic status". "Exclusivity of a group" is the same as "inclusion or belonging to a group", and certain clothes that are "popular" within a group affords this. Air Jordan shoes were also status symbols in the hood, but that's because they were expensive. I suspect Old Navy is popular in the hood because they are deemed "cool", not becasue they are "status symbols".

    BTW, I looked up the MSRP prices for the 2006 models, and for the 4WD versions before options, the Toyota Land Cruiser is $57K, the Cadillac Escalade is also $57K, and the Lincoln Navigator is only $53K. So not only is the Toyota close to the others in price, but it meets or exceeds them.
     
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    So why would't being "cool" be as much of a criteria for status as having something expensive? Cool is, in its own right, a type of "currency". That is what STATUS is-perception. It goes beyond price in certain socio-economic groups. Again, it's not all about the price tags. Lincoln and Caddy will ALWAYS be perceived of as "Higher" in status than Toyota, regardless of the MSRP, but, thanks for doing the research on that-I was actually considering the Toyota model-good to know the price. Again, you don't seem to get it. Look up the prices of Timberlands while you're at it...at one time they were the most poorly-made outdoor shoes, for the price, on the market.
     
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    Hurley
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    Diesel
    Replay
    Lacoste
    Tommy Hilfiger

    Of course these are not the most expensive but are quite popular among young people who can afford them (for example a pair of Replay jeans trousers costs 162 € and the average monthly salary in Croatia is around 530 € so you do the maths how affordable these clothes are- and yes, we're a poor country)
     
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    No need to repost everything Phil has said, but i'll state in my own words my way of explaining it to you.

    "Status"

    Doesn't being popular in say, a school, a community, a country have a "status" element? Social status can be defined on many such levels. For example, the rich and popular kids in school may wear this new item on their wrist. Its cool, its popular, its a status. The thing may cost $1 which is in everyone's budget, but if you don't have it, your not "in". So schoolers look at other fellow schoolers and either see the wristband and say they have this status or they do not have this status. This type status can indeed be very important and may play a role in a students life so big that it could determine things such as friends, girlfriends, respect, etc. These are all....status elements.

    It IS in fact true that most of these popularity items are expensive items showing ones socio-economic status. But not always as you can clearly see.

    So, lets say Old Navy was indeed popular (which it was in my school only a few years ago) and all the preppy/rich/athletic kids/adults wear this. If you decide to wear this brand...then you will be partaking in this status. And thats whether you like it or not.
     
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    Try not to think one-dimensional Breakpoint.

    Now lets go solve some more problems. (ie US and Kyoto)
     
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    Work clothes: Banana Republic, Kenneth Cole, Cole Haan, Ecco shoes, Panerai, Omega, Rolex Daytona watch, Ralph Lauren.

    Daily clothes: gap, old navy, banana republic, timberland shoes/boots. anything comfy.
     
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    I still maintain that for something to be a "status symbol", it would have to be hard to obtain or exclusive. Yes, something can be "popular", "cool", or "inclusive" which makes you feel you are part of a certain group. But if that thing is very easy to obtain or very affordable, it no longer confers status. Just like being the CEO of a Fortune 500 company confers status, but being a janitor in that same company does not. Why? Because anyone can be a janitor but not anyone can become the CEO.

    Old Navy clothes are easily obtainable and very afforable (I'd say just about the most affordable branded clothes around). So for anyone that wants to be part of the "in" group that wears Old Navy, it's very easy for them to go out and buy Old Navy clothes and wear them, too. In that way, it's no longer exclusive to the "in" group, and therefore, no longer has any status associated with it. As more and more people wear Old Navy, it becomes just common clothes with little status or exclusivity. For example, if only the "cool" kids in school wore Old Navy, but then all the geeks, nerds, etc. started wearing Old Navy because they also wanted to be part of the "in" group and since they're so easily obtainable, Old Navy would no longer be cool nor have any status associated with it, would it?

    To confer real status, it needs to be something exclusive (i.e., expensive) to prevent the low status or undersirable people from easily obtaining it, too. Otherwise it loses its cache and luster, as well, as its status symbol aura. For example, would BMW's still be considered a status symbol if they cost $5,000 and everyone and their grandmother owned one? Probably not.
     
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    Breakpoint, I agree with you. I was hoping someone else would say it. Status symbols are expensive things that people enjoy because the fact that not a lot of other people have them, makes them special. I love my Prada backpack, but the fact the no one else, that I know of at least, has it, makes it all the more fun to carry it.

    No one else around here, at least.
     
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    Breakpoint, your actually right in the argument your laying forth. But we are arguing two different things here.

    You pointed out that if Old Navy is so cheap, it wouldn't take long for it to become saturated with members who own Old Navy clothing making it no longer an "exclusive item of status". This is true, so in my explanation of a status symbol, I used it as being a short term thing that loses its status quality after everyone has it. This is not so with a BMW.

    But like I said, we have two different ideas about status....like Phil, I did not describe it has having only an element of expense, but rather one of popularity as well. In your description, it is strictly concerning wealth. Either way, I'm hungry and might go grab me a burger from Mcdonalds....which might reveal to you my current socio-economic status as a college kid. :)
     
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    For play: Guess, Kenneth Cole, Northface, 4You, Point Zero.
     
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    I asked about prestigious brands in post 1. Prestigious brand's products can't be cheap. Otherwise everybody is able to obtain it and hence it losts it's prestige. By the way, it must be better known in USA (very rich country) than here in Azerbaijan.

    In this meaning I agree with BreakPoint and despite my respect to Phil and Docalex007 I couldn't understand what they are trying to explain here.

    But not yr discussion is important, important thing is that

    1) u called a few brands which are prestigious but not enough in my understanding. Say Lacoste or Hilfiger I heard about are not very expensive, they are simply for people who earn enough money. The term "enough" means not very much.

    2) u called a few brands ( not to say many) brands I never heard in my life.

    3) it seems to me that notions here in one side of ocean, and there in another side are different ( similar to cars probably, say we heard about Americans brands like Ford, Crysler and etc.. but their cars are not here so popular).

    4) one poster from UK called Milano and London. OK. In a serie of brands a few posters called Zegna Ermenegildo. It's definetly much higher than Lacoste and for 2 different groups of people probably.

    OK, I want to reformulate - just interesting to hear - which clothes brands are MOST prestigious and MOST expensive in yr city/country ?
     
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    Western Canada:

    Fendi
    Prada
    Channel
    Dolce and Gabbana
    Lakoste
    Hugo Boss
    (you get the picture I'm sure it's the same everywhere!)

    edit-LOL how could I forget Versace????????????
     
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    Aykhan,

    What is the point of this post? This is not going anywhere, because I can tell you here in the States even homeless people wears Tommy Hilfiger, Guess, Ralph Lauren and any expensive brands you can think of.

    I can't remember who said it before, that here in the States welfare recepients go on strike in their cars. Only rich people have cars in other countries. :mrgreen:
     
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    Matchpoint, u are not right that in other countries only reach people have cars. In my city Baku there is not free place from cars. Not rich people buy non-expensive cars.

    I didn't have any special goal in my post, I just wanted to get what people living in different countries ( 33% of this forum is not from USA) know about most prestigious brands. To the moment I didn't hear a lot, mainly intermediate brands were called and among them a lot of unknown for me.

    U know , Matchpoint, here we talk a lot around tennis, but since there are a lot of people from different so-to-say worlds it is simply interesting to share information on different topics.
     
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    All the brands people have said before and...THE NORTH FACE. Everyone and their grandmother has one of these and not for the cold either. These aren't necessarily expensive but seem to be the new "in clothes" for my school. My school is really annoying, notorious for making fun of all of the "poor kids" (less than $100,000 income to give a range). Social status...such a pointless issue. Yet everyone eventually gets sucked in by it...
     
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  42. BreakPoint

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    But The North Face coats ARE expensive relative to the coats you can buy at Old Navy, Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Target, and many other "no name" cheaper brands.
     
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    Ok you are very right, I had never bought one with my own money but just checked the price and they are pretty expensive coats. You're argument is pretty much true about cost relevant to the social status of people. Which is why livestrongs went out of style, after the "unpopular" kids began to get a hold on them they just...died. The low cost indirectly made the fad go away...Correct me if I'm wrong someone. I'm sure that isn't why they died out for adults.
     
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    I'm sorry Aykhan, I am not referring to your country when I said that only rich people have cars in other countries. You country must be a very rich country that you call intermediate, the brands that were metioned here. So you guys make gold shirts and silver pants Baku style? :D
     
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    Sorry, bud, but you're looking at the term "status" from a very narrow and rigid perspective and it's not. Different groups have different ideas about status-you're looking at it from your own, limited experience.

    I'm not gonna go back and forth with you, because you've obviously not been around the block, and are set in your own beliefs, which, in this care, are flat wrong. But one last thing-maybe you don't realize this, but most "status" symbols by your definition, are NOT "hard to obtain". I can go into Filene's or Century21 in NYC, or any outlet mall and find practically any so-called status brand that exists. Most things other than the totally outragious, like, for example, a Rolls Royce or diamond-encrusted Patek Phillippe wrist watch, are accessible to just about anyone with a few bucks-even to those minority masses that you seem to look down on so often in your posts.
     
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    I get my clothes at army surplus stores, and goodwill. Sometimes I will stencil shirts too.
     
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    I thought it was obvious that "hard to obtain" means that it's expensive. That's what makes them hard to obtain, because not everyone can afford it, which is what makes them exclusive or a "status symbol". If everyone can afford it (and I'm pretty sure everyone can afford Old Navy stuff, even people on welfare.), it's no longer exclusive is it? Thus, it no longer conveys someone's status as someone that has the means to afford it.

    Is a Ferrari a status symbol? Yes. Is it hard to obtain? Anyone can walk into a Ferrari dealer any buy a Ferrari, but you'd better have $200,000 in your back pocket. That's what makes it hard to obtain, and thus, a status symbol. The fact that it takes a person of means or status to obtain or buy one which means it excludes most people. That's why it's a symbol of someone's status in the world.

    Since everyone can afford Old Navy clothes, it is not exclusive nor hard to obtain, thus, it is not a symbol of someone's status of having the means to afford Old Navy clothes. Rather, it is just cool, popular, chic, inclusive, makes one feel like part of a group of like minded people. Sort of like having the latest hairstyle.

    BTW, when did I ever "look down" on minorities? I thought it was established that I'm a minority myself. I've also stated that I'm totally anti-status symbols and anti-elitist. Heck, I drive an 8-year old Ford.
     
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  48. michael2kul4u

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    same here
     
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    LA trends come and go though
     
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    Geez, BP, nice that you went out of your way to clarify your anti-elitist stance and establish your "street creds":rolleyes: . As part of the capitalist machinery designed to suck the money out of people's pockets, I'm not anti-elitist and nothing I said above indicates that. I just don't think you fully understand the concept of "status" in western culture today. You only understand the most obvious aspect. At one time, what you paid for something WAS all there was, but it's a bit more complex than that now. As to minorities, your ranting on the affirmative action thread was somewhat repulsive, though you're entitled to your opinion.
     
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