Club Player (today) vs. Connors (1975)

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  1. TheRebelofPrince

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    take todays averagely good club player around a 4.5 with todays rackets and put ihm against jimmoy connors, connors would LOOSE!!!
     
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  2. E P I C F A I L !!!
    Connors would trash the club-player.
     
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  3. TheRebelofPrince

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    not realy, with the new racket technologies against connors with wood, connors would have no chance
     
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  4. You are so wrong, they would probably hit equally hard but Connors was extremely consistent back in the days with second to none errors, the club-player would tear his hair apart out of frustration
     
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    Yes, jimmoy connors would loose:)

    Jimmy Connors however would win very very easily!
     
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    Um...NO! Connors would neither LOSE nor "LOOSE", because he uses two hands on his backhand so he has a FIRM grip on his racquet. :oops: :-?
     
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    Um...first of all, Connors didn't use a wood racquet in 1975. He used a steel Wilson T-2000 and had been for years and for most of his career.

    Second of all, even if Connors did use a wood racquet, he would still spank ANY 4.5 player 6-0, 6-0.
     
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    Simply by asking this question, you've exposed your total lack of understanding for the professional game.

    Welcome to the boards, rookie.
     
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    Why would he be using wood?

    Connors would be using his metal T2000 surely!

    (But he'd win with wood anyway:))
     
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    eh wrong

    did i say how connors would loose... nope

    jimmy connors would run over to the other side of the net like a little kid and the club player, not as matuer as professionals, would punch him in the head, knocking him unconscious and unable to finish the game, thus forfeiting.. owned
     
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    because if he ever did what he did in match to that guy, by running over and running over the foot mark, i would have honestly punched him
     
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    I really need to type quicker:)
     
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  13. Ok, thats fantastic.
    You should hit the practice-courts instead of sitting here making yourself look like a fool. Or attend grammar-school?
     
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    hehe rofl, i play tennis everyday, trust me i dont need to practice anymore than i already do. im planning to play d2, and tell the truth, if jimmy connors did the same as he did at wimbledon, i believe, by running over the side of the net like a lil kid and cross out the mark, what would you do? I would honestly punch his lights out
     
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    So what does today's racquet in the hands of the 4.5 player have anything to do with it? :confused:

    And why would Connors' "loose"? Did he lose weight so his shorts are too "loose" and would fall down? :oops:
     
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    And you would have been disqualified!

    Connors was the ultimate wind-up merchant at times:twisted:
     
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    Um...the ball doesn't leave a mark on the grass at Wimbledon so there's no mark to cross out.

    Get a clue kid. You're all mixed up.
     
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  18. jimbo333

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    I think Connors played with his strings very loose:)
     
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  19. borg number one

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    Is this a joke? Connors would annihilate a 4.5 player of today playing with wood, a T-2000, or just about any other adult player's racquet in his hands. You folks that keep talking about the players of today vs. players of the 70's and before are truly myopic.

    Just watch a little of Connors in 1975 against Rod Laver:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SptdffCeVmM

    A 4.5 Club Player would barely be able to walk straight between games after about midway through the first set!
    He would simply create some very long rallies and run the guy around like a yo yo in the first few games, while ending the rallies with blazing winners. Right about then, the 4.5 player would be "crying uncle" and be at Connors' mercy. The 4.5 player would have a real hard time WINNING GAMES, much less winning a set off of Connors.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SptdffCeVmM
    (Connors/Laver (Laver about 37 then))


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NPNsU20bis (Connors/Newcombe at the AO)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh76_gnh5sA&NR=1
    (Connors/Rosewall (Rosewall past his prime))

    1980 French Open (Connors/Noah):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UZSxkpRGMw

    The same thing applies if you had a 4.5 (with today's equipment) versus just about any pro from the 1970's. Consistency/stamina/ball placement would trump any "power advantage".

    I've seen Connors play live and I can still beat guys that are state ranked and playing 18 and under even today (I'm 41 now), so I have some perspective on this topic.

    Do you have any idea how much pace and depth Connors could generate? Do you realize that a 4.5 player would have a very difficult time ever hitting winners against Connors, much less winning rallies? Wow, I am amazed by some of the posts!! Also, why 1975 and not later in the 1970's??

    In a fight, I still take Connors, he is one guy that could actually get in a REAL FIGHT on court with the other player, that's how intense the guy was, but it wasn't always a very endearing quality and he loved to use "gamesmanship".
     
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    OP is a Chopin Clone
    JC with wood would win almost every point even if the 4.5 had the doubles lanes
     
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    This is the funniest thread I've come across yet -- even better than Ïs smoking marijuana a sin?"
    It would be over the top if it also was not implicitly trashing one of the greatest players to play the game.
    You, OP, need a few lessons in tennis. My suggestion is to spend some money and buy Jimmy's DVDs and learn something instead of trashing the guy.
     
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  22. Don Felder

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    This is absolutely retarded. I'm a 5.0-5.5 player who can wipe the floor with any 4.5 player. I'm not too far out of college tennis, where I was an all-conference/regionally ranked (not even nationally ranked) D3 player four years running. I was good, but plenty of guys were better.

    Connors would spank me, let alone the 4.5s I play who can't handle my slice BH, kick serves, or heavy topspin FHs or match my consistency. Give me a break.

    EDIT: Keep in mind I was D3! Look at how hard it is for a top-notch D1 player to even make a dent on the pros. Connors was one of the best of all time. The game has changed, but not in a degree that would make an all-time great not be able to play with a club 4.5 player.
     
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    I suspect that there are shots a modern 4.5 player, using current racquets, could make that Jimmy Connors, in 1975, with his T-2000, could not have made. That, however, is quite a different thing from saying that a current 4.5 player could have a prayer of beating 1975 Connors. I think, frankly, that some people fail to appreciate just how good these top pros really are--how consistent, how accurate, how experienced, and how powerful they are.

    Greg Moran, author of "Tennis Beyond Big Shots", relates the following story:

    "I got my first taste of the pro game in 1984. I had been teaching for a few years and Fred Stolle and Butch Buchholz were coming to the club to promote something or other, and my step-father and I were going to play a doubles match with them for the members.

    Now Stolle and Buchholz are two of the games all-time greats but, at the time, were probably thirty years past their prime and almost as many pounds over their playing weight. How good could they be? They walked onto the court, looking like any other 50 year-old players at the club, moving slowly with various braces and supports attached to their elbows and knees. I was in my early 20's, fit and ready to show the "old" guys how the game was played in the "new era." God, was I in for an awakening.

    Consistency like I'd never seen. Depth to within six inches of the baseline every time, and the control of concert maestros. It wasn't two games before I found my tiny corner of the court and began praying that they wouldn't hit the ball to me. I covered my small area and 50 something year-old Fred Stolle covered the other 98%, knee braces and all. Great day--thoroughly outclassed by two "old men" well past their prime."


    As I said above, there may be some shots a current 4.5 player could make, under certain circumstances at least, that 1975 Connors couldn't. But if you somehow could put those two together for a match, I'd say "good luck" to the 4.5 player finding any chance to use any of those modern shots. I think he'd be lucky to score more than a point or two against someone like prime Connors, whatever Connors was using, his T-2000 or a 50-cent wood racquet from K-mart.
     
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  24. jrepac

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    1975 Connors?

    1975 Connors would lose to a 4.5 player today? uh...not gonna happen
    doubtful even a 2009 Connors would lose...
    and, as all have said, he played w/the T-2000, a steel racket, not wood

    the incident w/erasing the mark, I believe was 1975 USO against the Italian fellow Corrado Barruzi (sp??).....have seen that clip before...makes me laugh, honestly, but not very sportsmanlike on Jimmy's part (shocking, huh?)
     
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  25. goober

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    You guys are all haters. This guy knows what he is talking about. I mean check out these stats:


    The dude has 10/10 heart and never gives up (except for the last 2 years when he didn't play on his team because his heart wasn't into it). But he is still going D2 all the way. A lot of D2 colleges will be salivating at that 9/10 slice.
     
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  26. JoshDragon

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    No, he wouldn't beat Jimmy. He would maybe take a game at best but that's it. There's a world of difference between a 4.5 and a guy who was #1 in the world. Even with the slower rallies and crappy technology Jimmy would easily win.
     
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  27. drakulie

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    only thing Connors would lose is the 10 minutes he wastes beating the club player 6-0, 6-0.
     
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    The poster must be a newbie 2.5 player with no understanding of levels of play...Conners would easily win 6-0, 6-0 with just his consistency and conditioning. That's not even taking into consideration his mental toughness. The poster confuses a few great shots against a ball machine with actual match play skill...
     
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    I love playing everyday too and I'm young like you are and I still know that you wouldn't have a chance to beat old man Connors today let alone 1975 Jimmy.
     
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    Wasn't there a thread like this a few months back when the general opinion was that Chris Evert would beat a 4.5 easily, but now Connors is losing to one? Has the OP seen Connors play?
     
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    ^^^Actually, it was about Evert. However, the argument was a 4.5 could beat her too.
     
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    Even with a replaced hip, Connors would school anyone with an NTRP rating.
     
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    "old men" story

    Terrific story....drives the point home, 4 sure! LOL!
     
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    dude if connors would try to return/block a serve hit by a modern racket his racket would just break, i work in a proshop and i;ve tried to hit with an old jimmy connors racket once, the racket on my first shot hittign it lightly, almost broke in half
     
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    I saw Connors play one of his last Senior's matches about 8 years ago against McEnroe. They were pretty even until Mac ran Jimmy ragged, running him all over the court, and out of breath. Connors used the Prince Mono, and still does, so I think only a 5.5 would do okay against him. Don't think so? A friend of mine was the top 50s Open player in the country for years. I saw him play a top player on the Stanford team back then---he beat the kid, but it took 3 sets.
     
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    Yes but since when have you had the ability of Jimmy Connors?
     
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    No, it wouldn't.

    No, you don't.

    No, you haven't.

    No, it didn't.
     
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    :):):):) 10char
     
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    You posts deserve the (dreaded) triple eye-roll :wink:
     
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    Ridiculous thought. Jimmy is one of the all time greats. I will admit that even though I have never been one of his biggest fans. The problem today is that younger fans do not understand the history of the game.

    Jimmy played w/ a T2000 in 1975. When he made his last run to the US Open semis he had switched to a "yellow" graphite, which at the time was an unidentified model. He did this at age 39.

    However, in 1975 when he lost to Ashe in a great upset in the Wimbledon finals, he was what something like 20, 21 years old. Buy that DVD or watch the match on Tennis Channel. It was on a few weeks ago. Yes, the game was slower but he was awesome! He was considered the best returner in the history of the game until Agassi came along. Always extremely mentally tough! No 4.5 could beat him today against his 1975 self.

    Also remember he was hitting with a two hander (although flat), when many in the game still hit a one-hander. What if he adapted his technique?

    Another thought- see the old Mark Philopoussis/ Tennis magazine article, when Mark hit serves with all the different racquet compositions and technologies. Mark's serve was not significantly faster with the latest technology vs. wood- it ther was no significant difference in mph with wood and his own graphite but was more accurate and consistent with the wood!
     
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    Sorry, your boasts don't cut it. The difference being ... Connors returns would consistently hit the sweet zone on the strings. By your description, you took your first shot and and framing it, badly.:rolleyes:
     
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    Well...Ive played with a wooden racquet and it's a little different from the racquets used today and I hit pretty well with it, but if you think that Connors would lose playing with a wood racquet to a 4.5....You're ridiculous...

    Some people on this board are ridiculous...

    S.S.
     
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    Successful troll is successful.
     
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    Connors would bagel and might even win a golden set in the process.
     
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    Um....NO. Connors played against guys with huge serves back in his prime and his racquet never broke. Roscoe Tanner used to serve in the 130's mph back in the Connors era. That's much faster than anyone you personally know can serve with any modern racquet.
     
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    jimmy connors is overkill.
    even tracy austin would trash a 4.5 (self-rated) club player
     
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    Connors would destroy a 4.5 player.
     
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    I would love to see the OP get his butt kicked by Connors right now and then have Connors punch him afterwards. What a clown you are.
     
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    I am amazed by how many people think that 4.5 club players actually represents some kind of high level of tennis. It is good recreational level tennis. 7.0 players of any era are 5 NTRP levels above them. People are not going to maken up 5 NTRP levels with poly strings and "modern" strokes
     
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    For the record, Connors beat Rosewall in 1974 at Wimbledon 6-1, 6-1, 6-4. Later that year, he again beat Rosewall in the finals of the US Open 6-1,6-0,6-1. I don't know that a "rosewall slice backhand return of serve" would impress him much.

    And 10 is based on??????

    I can hardly wait!


    Sorry, but I've played a year of league a few years ago at the 4.5 level with some 25 year old Head Vilas wood frames. None are the worse for wear today. I also own 3 T2000's. They don't "break in half" as they are extruded steel. You must have found an old Wal Mart Jimmy Connors Champ or some other piece of crap $2 racquet. The real deal is still as playable (or not) as it was in 1974.

    And remember that Connors played against some 120 - 140 MPH serves back in the 70s with the T2000. Over the years, not once did I ever see one of them break.

    Sorry, but the incident you're referring to happened not at Wimbledon, but at the U.S. Open on Har-Tru. Connors is good, but not good enough to wipe out a mark on grass.
     
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