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  1. mackimac

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    It is getting interesting what do you guys think will happen with these jobs opening up. It could create a ripple effect around the country especially if Boland leaves Virginia.

    Oklahoma State

    Florida

    Princeton

    I think Alabama should open up

    Hot names for the jobs include

    John Roddick Ou
    Brett Masi San Diego
    Adam Steinberg Pepperdine
    Brian Boland (Florida Only)
    Kyle Spencer Maryland
    Jay Udawai Fresno
    Yassir Zaiti ETSU
    Derek Mills Santa Clara
    Mait Dubois UNCW
    Nick Carless Cal Poly

    Assistants

    Will Glenn Georgia
    Pedroso Virginia
    Cedric Kaufmann
    Tobi Hansen
    Chris Woodruff

    Just throwing it out there
     
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  2. Vicious Vik

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    Clemson
    Purdue
    Oregon
    Arizona

    those jobs will also open up. Obviously Oregon and Clemson are the best of those two. I am surprised that oregon has not cared much about tennis yet, since they have upped their effort in every other sport including things like softball and track.


    Florida is the marquee job of the whole off season though. I think they will hire Boland. Pedroso would then take the reigns at UVA and they would slide back into a 10-15 type team.

    Oklahoma State should hire the UT Arlington coach
     
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    also I think assistants are over-valued. Diaz and Boland are the success not Pedroso and Glenn. The two head coaches could win with a trained chimpanzee as the assistant.
     
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  4. mackimac

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    UTA coach to Oklahoma State that makes no sense he consistently loses in the Southland Conference. That is a tough school to be good at but I think they have a lot of resources
     
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  5. Vicious Vik

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    I meant UTSA
     
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    I think Steinberg would only (possibly) leave for Florida. He's shown that you can win a National Title at Pepperdine, coaches in a great location and he's already been the coach at Alabama.

    As already mentioned, you would think Oregon would make a push. Most college teams already wear Nike. Guess it's hard to find guys on the West Coast who will play indoors much of the year. Ohio St./Illinois etc, can at least pull some local guys.

    Clemson has so many former players in high profile spots, it's hard to believe they didn't ask any of them to coach after Kriese. Just to name a few, Jay Berger, who heads the USTA Player Development, Frank Salazar, who set up JTCC in College Park, MD (Kudla, Frank, etc) and the place where Kriese is now. Craig Boynton coaches Isner. There are probably 3-4 more former Clemson guys who (if named coach) could do a good job and be able to recruit some name players



     
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    Are you speaking just about their assistants? Depending on the school and the program, the assistants might be the recruiters. They might be the in match coach. They might be the person who goes over the strategy for the matches with the players and does other behind-the-scenes work. I have been coaching at the college level for 14 seasons and the programs that I have seen with the most success have the best assistants.
     
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    You'd have to go back a long way to find a coach that was hired away from Virginia by an equivalent or bigger college program in any sport. Honestly, I'm thinking back, and I can't think of one.
     
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    Are these your responsibilities at Drew? You have told us you are assistant coach there, right? What does your head coach do?
     
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    Im almost 100% sure that the Clemson job is not opening up. Where are you getting your info Vik? Are you just guessing?
     
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    Do you think those former players who are currently in "high profile spots" would give up their current "high profile" job for a lesser one at Clemson? Do you know if any of those guys even have an interest in being a D 1 college coach?
     
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    He's been guessing all over the UF thread, so probably here too.
     
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  13. mackimac

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    Let's face it Clemson has been under performing for a while now. Chuck had better get it going
     
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    DC United took Arenas..not college, I know.

    You have to admit though that UVAs success has been fairly confined to sports like lacrosse, soccer, and cross country. the sample size for this experiment is a bit small.

    Just pointing out facts. I still don't think boland should move. He has a great thing going.
     
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    First of all, my main job is a high school teacher. I can only do so much during the day to help with the team at Drew. Once at Drew, I do a little bit of it all.

    We have a graduate assistant who does a lot of initial contact with recruits. The head coach does the tours and closes the deals.

    The head coach does all of the budgeting. He conducts practice and I assist him with that. He is extremely strong in the technique department, having been a top instructor in the area. I am much better at strategy, positioning, and communicating with players, although I can also do some technique help.

    We discuss which doubles teams would work best with each other. We come up with game plans for opponents we are familiar with for game day. Also, I run all of the tournaments that we host.

    During matches he takes certain courts and I take other courts. Communicating with players is something I am strong at, so certain players I wind up working with more with than others.

    My specialty is also in equipment. I help players get the right racquet, string, and sneakers that fit their playing style.

    The head coach and I offer different strengths and weaknesses, so we compliment each other. We work together to get our teams to perform to the best of their abilities. Its not always easy, but we have been very successful. We just won our 12th consecutive men's conference title (without a loss) and the women have won 3 during that time.
     
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    When was the last time Clemson was truly a player on the national scene in tennis? Seems like their football and soccer programs, their tennis program hasn't been a true national contender since the 80's. Am I off on that?
     
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    Interesting, thanks.

    It must be a challenge to close deals in D3, since students do not get more need or merit aid based on being an athlete in D3.

    According to my limited experience in D1, a recruit has to file an application with the admissions office prior to signing the NLI [EDIT: to make sure the school's minimum admissions standards would be met]. So after the NLI is signed (the deal is closed) the only contingency would be....graduating high school.

    In D3....I guess....sports teams have to wait until the admissions office completes its work to really close the deal
     
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  18. Vicious Vik

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    no offense meant but... what the hell is "Drew"?
     
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  19. Clemson_tennis

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    he has one more year. Everyone returning in the top 6 and adding Ansari.
     
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    Yes, you are correct. It is certainly difficult to get the commitments. It tends to come down to the final few weeks of April/May. You have recruits who Drew University is a reach financially, but its the best school they got into. You have recruits who use Drew as a safety school both academically and athletically.

    Its a ton of effort on the staff to recruit players and some years you wind up with not a lot for all the work and sometimes a player just falls into your lap. We have gotten a 4 star and a couple of 3 star recruits over the past few years that came based on our reputation, with relatively little effort on our part. Sometimes even getting a 1 star is like pulling teeth.

    In general, the two biggest obstacles are:
    1. people who see the price tag of the school and get scared off even though the school offers a lot of aid and
    2. players who have an incorrect perception of their tennis ability (or the level of the team they want to go to) and don't even consider D3, wind up going to a school that is above their tennis ability and never start.
     
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    Boland or Steinberg to Florida are perfect fits, here come the national titles...I don't think Pedroso will get UVa, only been there 2 years, and he walked into the #1 team in the nation, that's going to head coach as well
     
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    Why are you thinking Boland would leave UVA? What would going to FLA get him? More $? Seems like he is running a great program with great players....is there other stuff going on there?
     
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    seems like a no brainer to me, perhaps more money but more importantly way easier to win, in state florida, weather, conference, resources, facility....with what he's done at uva it crazy to think what he could do at florida
     
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    ^^^thanks, not that familiar with the things you mentioned at each school, sounds like it could be growth for him then, interesting....
     
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    I think of it this way, if someone said to you here's a program, start from zero, but you have to win a national title in 5 years, which school would you pick....automatically I go Stanford, UCLA, USC, Georgia, Florida, perhaps Texas.....schools like Virginia, Ohio State, Baylor, Oklahoma, Pepperdine don't fall in that mix, that's why I think those guys with what they have are some of the best coaches
     
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  26. 10isplayer

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    Florida has never even made the finals of NCAA's so that isn't a school i would think of. I think there is no way Boland leaves UVa.
     
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    Well Florida seems to be doing ok on the woman's side, and girls are more into academics, sleeping giant on the men's side
     
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    Hahaha...in that 5 year scenario, I'd take Virginia in a heartbeat....since I wouldn't have to start from zero! Oh yea, that's where Boland is already. Duh!
     
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  29. matchplay

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    you have offended so many in this board, nobody is offended by you anymore - no matter how hard you try.

    drew is an outstanding school by the way...
     
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    How have I offended people on this forum?


    Mainly I am just tired of these D3 loons (players and coaches) coming on here and acting like they know all there is to know about college tennis and that's just the way it is.
     
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  31. Vicious Vik

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    If it was up to me Center would be gone from Texas, but that won't happen
     
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    The first four schools you mentioned are probably by far the most tradition rich and successful programs in men's college tennis history. To throw Florida in with them is a stretch.

    Not sure if the rumors about Boland being a serious candidate are true. The only way I could see him leaving is if they bowl him over with money (as others have mentioned), and I suppose that is a possibility. Otherwise, I think he's got a pretty good thing going at UVA, and seems very happy there. I suppose it would have been much more interesting if he had gotten that national title this year. Then, a big pay hike may have been more tempting.

    Certainly, a flirtation with Florida could also be used as a negotiating tool to get UVA to up its ante to keep him.
     
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    Yes Florida produces more talent than Virginia but the state of Virginia also has some very good players. And in college tennis it's about quality not quantity.
     
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    And it's probably fair to say that most very good players in Virginia are going to end up at Virginia, and most all of the talent in Florida is going elsewhere all over the country.
     
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    I agree, in recruiting it is quality over quantity, so keep in mind florida kids with the right sat get free tuition at florida, that goes a long way with 4.5 scholarships. Now let's do some research, let's take a look at the top 3 kids to come out of florida and virginia over the last 3 years:

    Just went from tennisrecruiting, give a decent outlook:

    2007

    Florida

    Arsenov 1 (turned pro)
    Bowles 3
    Dadamo 4
    Carleton 7

    Virginia

    Wirth 113
    Edwards 163
    Parrish 178

    (17 florida kids before you hit the first virginia kid, funny)

    2008

    Florida

    Spencer 4
    Trombetta 5 (turned pro)
    Boyajin 8
    Chin 13

    Virginia

    Courtney 11
    Pine 95
    Pine 96

    2009

    Florida

    Van Overbeek 6
    Bangoura 7
    Carleton 9

    Virginia

    Balaji 31
    Parker 49
    Mcmillen 228

    2010

    Florida

    Alford 7
    King 17
    Butz 21

    Virginia

    Shane 22
    Davis 84
    Zhang 98

    2011

    Florida

    Novikov 2
    Newman 3
    Efferding 9

    Virginia

    Luu 53
    Nguyen 59
    Koontz 63
    FYI for some reason Frank wasn't on there

    Now I'll admit I'm a Florida fan but come on, those numbers don't lie. Every year Florida produces atleast 1 if not more top 10 kids, Virginia almost never does with Frank being the exception. I'm guessing if you do the same for Ohio and Tucker it's similar outside of Chase. Then look at Pepperdine and put in perspective they have no in state and cost 50k and to me it's still a no brainer for Boland, Tucker, and Steinberg.
     
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    Ugghhh, you're a UF fan? You are turning out to be the Dawgie Dawg of the Gator fans.
     
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    Sadly, this is very true and one of the reasons Jackson had to go.
     
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    2007 - Those rankings don't include Shabaz, who was from Virginia, and was the #1 recruit as a freshman, sophomore and junior.

    2010 - You missed Domijan, who is from Florida, and was considered the #1 newcomer when he entered college. His recruitment raises the question - why does Boland need to move to Florida when he can already snatch recruits out of the Sunshine State?
     
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    There are former Clemson guys who would be interested, though who knows when the job would open back up. My understanding is that Kriese would have liked one of them to get a chance, but he did not have much input in the last decision.

    I'm not sure I'd say that coaching at a quality D 1 school in a major conference is a lesser job.

    It all depends on what you are looking for in tennis. When you add in summer camps, the salary becomes good. You have stability as long as you are competitive. Not as much travel as working with the pros or sometimes even juniors. It can be good putting down roots in a college town, and being able to go home to the wife and kids at night.
     
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  40. matchplay

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    It will be at least six decades before any coach or school that could be considered as great as the schools below:
    The only great programs "ever" are USC, UCLA, Stanford & UG,
    these are the programs that can hire anyone they want at anytime, not a coach on earth that would turn these schools down if offered.
    In recent years we see trends toward UVA, Duke and others who do indeed have great coaches, my guess is they would leave for any of the four programs mentioned above, but not for Florida, not Illinois, not ND, not Texas, not any other than maybe Pepperdine.
     
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  41. floridatennisdude

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    Pepperdine? You think someone would leave one of those 4 schools for Pepperdine?

    No offense, but Florida has a better shot than Pepperdine. State school with less in state competition. Not that either are gonna get one from those four.
     
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    pepperdine might attrack some of the up and coming coaches,
    point is, most of the other coaches would be moving sideways moving anywhere but those 4, other then these four
    i do not see uva,duke coach leaving what they are trying to build for anything less than the big 4 above
     
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    Yea, matchplay, but one thing you're not considering is that any coach at one of those 4 programs will always be coaching in the shadow of the coaches who built the program.

    If you go by his words, Boland will not leave Virginia for any school. He has stated publicly that he plans to coach at UVA for as long as the University will have him. And why not? Virginia first made the NCAA Tournament in 1997. The four great programs you mention had won national titles prior to Virginia's first berth in the tournament. The Virginia tennis coaching record book is just a portrait of Brian Boland. There are no words, just a picture of him. The man IS Virginia tennis.

    He would never be able to duplicate that at USC, UCLA, Stanford or UGA.
     
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    If Boland is offered the job he will take it, u heard it here.....so will Tucker, Steinberg or any other top coach
     
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    I think only steinberg would take the florida job. Boland has no reason to leave UVa. He has developed an amazing program so he has no reason to bolt for Florida. It's an amazing opportunity and job but I think you are overestimating it.
     
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    i think you and I are on the same page on this one.
    To think he or Ramsey will leave to go to Florida or a like school is probably not going to happen. They are both building something, more than just a job to them.
     
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    I guess this makes sense - he'd done all he could do at Alabama. Love that his bio mentions that his teams finished the year ranked 9 of 10 times. Being ranked 50th each year isn't much of an accomplishment when 9 other teams in the conference finish consistently higher with Arkansas & South Carolina being the two schools Alabama was able to beat out most years. They've got nice facilites in Tuscaloosa so I'm sure they'll be able to get someone in there. I wouldn't be surprised to see former Georgia Bulldog Bo Hodge end up in T-Town since he was an assistant there for a few years before leaving for Oklahoma last year.
     
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    Hodge makes a lot of sense
     
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