Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by mackimac, May 29, 2012.
anyone knows why Michibata left Princeton ?
Yeah, they should hire Hodge, they were so good while he was the assistant hopefully he can keep what they have going
haha.. Man I hope thats sarcasm
I dont think it was his choice... Talented teams without a lot of results
I haven't been following Princeton all that closely although I know a graduating senior who was on the team. I have to think that all the Ivy league schools have the same obstacle to overcome, burnout. A freshman comes in full of energy and enthusiasm. Then the combination of class work, on and off court training and squeezing in a social life grinds down that energy and enthusiasm so that by the 4th year the player is more concerned about his school work or potential career then his results on court. I would think it would be tough for a coach when the upper class men are less interested in tennis then the freshmen.
wow.. he's been there forever .. I can't see an Ivy school getting too hard core about tennis,unless Harvard's team making top 20 earlier this year got to them.. but seeing his recruiting or lack of(compared to the rest of the Ivies) may have did him in...
Why do you think Alabama would open up?
As a life long Crimson Tide fan, I am thrilled Pate is gone. Most Bama fans expected him to be fired. His teams have consistently under achieved. His recruiting has also been inconsistent at best. I would love to have Hodge. He's a Georgia guy and that carries alot of weight with top recruits in the South. John Roddick would also be a good fit here. Dark horse candidate - John Browning from Emory.
Michibata - his choice and personal reasons.
Interesting. Pate was a friend of mine before he went to Notre Dame as an assistant. Good guy and a very good coach. I think he played at Mississippi State University. Coached against him while he was an NJCAA coach. He's the real deal.
I would imagine that recruiting players to Tuscaloosa Alabama might not be the easiest thing to do given all the other great division 1 choices. Has Alabama ever won a national championship?
No, they never have. The list of school's who've won a national championship in the last 40ish years is pretty small (only 8 different schools).
Alabama really is at a disadvantage. Georgia is next door, and Tennessee and Florida are solid programs competing for the same talent. Both Mississippi schools are also very good. Plus, Alabama as a state doesn't produce that much talent. The occasional blue chip or 5 star, but nothing like Georgia or Florida.
If Ole Miss and MSU can be top 10 so could Alabama. Probably need to go the international route but could be a top 25 program. Bama needs someone that can recruit and use the SEC as a draw. It would take work but it can be done.
Hodge and Browning, you must be kidding. No way Roddick will go to Alabama, they will need some head coach with a proven record of recruiting US kids and internationals.
Yeah, Auburn was able to be a solid top 20 this year and they are in the state of Alabama.
Yes, and their entire team, save one "benchwarmer", is made up of international players. Same for Ole Miss, though. In my opinion, it's harder to convince international players to come to a school that's not a proven winner. And Alabama isn't, really. Especially not when there are more attractive options nearby in the SEC like I mentioned. Maybe a new coach could change the perception, or a couple of winning seasons would do some good. I don't think being in Alabama inherently has any disadvantages, I just think the University of Alabama does right now.
^^^ now the question is :how did they fit a whole team plus a bench guy on 4.5 scholarships ..
Everyone else does it, so what exactly is the question?
Another Georgia ex, Drake Bernstein has helped make a big difference in the womens program at Alabama in his first year as assistant. The women finished just outside the top 10 at 11 and were 7, I believe at one time. An ex bulldog such as Roddick or Hodge could do quite well at Bama.
You are talking about athletic scholarship money. There are other types of aid such as academic and need-based aid available, which frees up athletic aid for more players. Also, there is an assumption that people are only going to play on a full ride. Not necessarily true.
Would be an interesting challenge. Pate arrived at Alabama a legitimate expert on recruiting, foreign players for sure. And having played in the SEC it would seem he would be very savvy with promoting the SEC bit.
Seems like something else could have been wrong at Bama. Puzzling?! But now that program has a chance to find someone else who can lead a team who apparently hasn't been a championship contender, ever. College teams need at least one great year to build on.
but how does a foreigner qualify for academic/need base aid.. I thought that was reserved for American residents ..
It looks like another job up for grabs.
The USF men's coach announced his retirement.
Fresno State coach Jay Udwadia to OK St.
Now that Florida has hired, who will be hired at Alabama? That is probably the best job open now on the men's side
I really can't believe Florida hired shelton if they could have had Steinbeck or roddick. He's great on the woman's side but coaching and recruiting men, especially from a scholarship standpoint is very different. Huge risk, hope it pans out.
I agree. Women's tennis is not the same as men's tennis. I'm sure he still wtahces men's tennis and aunderstands it but too many tennis people think of the women's game and the men's game asthe same. Like ESPN where they combine players from each tour into one power ranking.
Haha, you guys are funny. Bryan played and was a 4 time AA at GT and then went on tour for almost a decade. Then he coached pro players like MaliVai Washington and became a USTA national coach.
The only thing I will see as a challenge is keeping players egos in check dealing with 4.5 divided schollys vs a full 8. I'm totally confident that he can do that.
Did will bull play at clemson , or did he go pro straight out of juniors?
Same can be said about any school in the SEC other than UGA. I don't believe UofF has ever won a men's NCAA tennis championship and I also believe they have only made the final four twice. I could be off. Regardless, point is other than Georgia or Florida, none of the other SEC states are churing out many Blue Chips on a regular basis. Occasional Blue chips yes. Should all the SEC schools be at a national tennis recruiting advantage? Yes.
Did Kyle Spencer end up anywhere?
He is an assistant coach at Duke now.
Yeah..I agree. I know Bryan's work prior to him becoming head women's coach at Tech and know his work well while he was the women's coach. Even though Kenny Thorne is the head men's coach at Tech, don't think that Bryan didn't have some input on the men's program...and vice versa with Thorne and the women.
haha and I thought the dbag limit had already been reached at Duke.
who is going to get canned after this season?
He is the assistant at smu now
My guess is that there will be quite a few.
If I was the AD at these schools I would fire the coach for mens tennis:
so you would fire a coach who has his team Top 20 in the nation.
Wow, just wow
You have any reasoning behind each of the schools you name?
Different schools have different expectations. You don't understand that?
My guess is that Whitlinger (Stanford) and Paul (UNC) are in the hot seat. I don't see Center (Texas) being in any trouble at all.
Yea I hear ya. If your not first your last. Fire 'em all.
I do think college tennis coaches get too long a leash. There are a lot of coaches around the country who have been in charge for a long time with mediocre to poor results.
I cannot see Sam Paul being in the hot seat because of one off year. They upset Duke one year ago, and have a good recruiting class coming in next year, including the #1 ranked recruit in Ronnie Schneider, with only one starter graduating, so they will definitely be better next year.
Likewise, Stanford is quite young and their best players are all freshmen and sophomores. I would imagine an A.D. would watch and wait to see how they do next year before worrying too much about this year.
UNC will be very good next year. They are still a good team this year, I expect them to take a big scalp at some point, maybe Wake. They just can't buy a win at the moment.
OK, so put yourself in the AD spot. Do you keep Paul on for another year or two and let some other school take Tripp as their coach or do you hand the reigns over to the next generation? There is no doubt they will be much better next year, but every AD has to look at the future of their program. I guarantee you that Tripp will be offered quite a few head coaching spots at the end of the season and he has been very patient the past 6 years.
I'm sorry but their freshman and sophomores are not the top freshman and sophomores in the country right now so they are not going to stand up to any top 15 team for years to come. At very best they are #4 in the Pac 12. That may cut it at some schools but not Stanford.
Stanford....put the USC coach there and they are winning titles
Texas.....put Baylor or Oklahoma coach there and they are top 10
Unc.....put the south Carolina or wake coach there and they are top 10
All the years Sam Paul has been there, how many trips to the Sweet 16?? Thats right only once.
To respond to the list that you made--
New AD at UNC has very high expectations for their teams. The team is not good this year. There is no way around that. They are pitiful at doubles and their 6 spot is the worst it has ever been. They took a weak, weak throw away guy from UCLA who has done nothing. Does not help that women have been absolutely kicking a** for a number of years now. Having said that, I think he gets one more year..especially with their incoming players. Btw, Tripp pees Tar heel blue, so I would say 99% he would not take a job anywhere else, even as an assistant.
-Don't know enough about Texas to comment. It has always seemed to me like their women's coach should be fired. I personally think Texas should be amazing in everything..but i guess easier said than done.
-Iowa coach will most likely retire/resign. Nice guy, but we all know it's time.
-Rumor that Arkansas coach will retire.
-BC didn't really have any scholarship dough before and is not an easy job..so I wouldn't see why that guy goes anywhere
-I also can't see GT firing Kenny. Granted he has had like 3 or so really decent years out of a bunch (best in '10-'11 in sweet 16 and hosted, Spir semid in dubs). But, he was ITA Coach of Year and is pretty well liked.
-Oregon- no idea
-Stanford- no idea, but I doubt it. I know a lot of former players from the good ol days are wondering wtf is going on there this year..although they all said they liked Whit.
-Arizona- I heard that one could open. They have a bad rep for partying in excess and not working hard. You should have a good team there...maybe not amazing..but at least 30-45 every year.
-Clemson Tennis would know better than me, but I heard he needed to make Ncaas or was dunzo. Obviously, they are doing pretty darn well this year.
ok so Arkansas for sure
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