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  1. mackimac

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    There are a lot of coaches on the hot seat. Any speculation about programs who are going to make a change?
     
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    Many coaches are doing a poor job around the country and are coasting by.
     
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    Steinel-Hansson for Chadwick
     
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    Some programs do need to refresh their programs. Look at the success of some schools that did that recently in the past few years. Arkansas was improves after getting a new coach. Penn State had a good year with their fairly new coach. Oklahoma State had a year of re-birth. And the best example, USF who had a first year coach this year and he really brought some new energy to that program.

    Programs that need a change for next year:
    Arizona - needs a refreshing desperately. No reason they should have a whole season outside the top 75. They should be a top 40 team.

    Michigan State - Orlando has now been there for over 20 years and has made the tournament only once. A new coach could lead to a Penn State type of resurgence.

    Miami - Maybe one more year, but with all the old guard leaving it may be time to bring in a new guy to rejuvenate the once proud program.

    those are the most pressing. There are a few others that are less pressing and could maybe be open after next year, like Georgia Tech, LSU, Stanford, Utah.
     
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    Anyone at a historically successful program which is underachieving is going to have questions asked. LSU & Stanford are perhaps two obvious ones.

    You'd have to think somewhere like Miami should be able to recruit better than it does as well considering it's location. You could perhaps also say the same about Pepperdine.

    On the list of 'schools who had traditionally been decent but are currently missing in action' you would have to mention Rice along with Arizona.
     
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    When a coach keeps missing out of the top recruits in the state and ending up with the No. 6 or so player with a 4-star rating, you have to wonder what is going on. Of course no details of recruiting in college tennis are ever given, so the fans can do nothing but speculate. And right now the situation isn't pretty, no matter how much Miami builds up/boasts a Top 60 finish for the season. Florida keeps stealing away south Florida's top recruits, just like they did this year. Would be great to see that trend reversed but not holding my breath.
     
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    Number 1 on my list would have to be Hambrook at UNLV. I would think they should be at or near the top of the tennis world. They have a nice facility, it's an international city, and the Rebels are constantly underachieving.
     
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    When you said historical power and mentioned LSU I had to do some research because I didn't remember them being good recently. They had some good years back in the 90s making it to the semis in 98 and 99 (i should have remembered those years because that was back when I was finishing up at Georgia) but in the last 13 years they've just made it to the final 16 4 times which is actually more times than I was remembering. As long as football and baseball keeping winning tennis probably stays out of sight in the ADs mind.

    Pepperdine is going to be real bad next year with Sark, Alcantara, and Sofaer all departing. Their top returners at 4, 5, and 6 have gone 27-40 this year in duals. I think they've got 1 or 2 more years on the scholarship reductions so that's going to make it that much tougher to get a top notch international guy to come over.
     
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    Steinberg of Pepperdine is one of the best coaches in the country. He has a national title and made the final four just two years ago. They are facing scholarship reduction now which explains their bad season this year and probably the next two or so. But if I was Pepperdine I would hold on to him tight.
     
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    Interesting. I looked up his resume just now and he's been there 11 years with not so good results. Sounds like you are correct. UNLV could use a different direction.
     
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    With the 'official' cost of tuition and room and board at private schools often approaching $75,000 a year, having only 4.5 scholarships makes it very tough to field a quality team. The state schools have lower in state tuition and even the out of state cost is lower than the private schools. If they have guys from their home state on the team and most of the good ones do, they can more easily spread around the 4.5 scholarships and make it affordable for all or most players.

    I do not know how USC stays so consistently good in tennis. Baylor and Duke seem to do well also. I think Stanford's huge cost is one reason why they are struggling in men's tennis. I think many years ago the vast Stanford foundation subsidized official tuition for all students, so if you got admitted the cost was manageable. UGA has the best situation, because all HS grad's in GA with a 3.0 (I think) GPA can go to a public university in GA and pay no tuition. You still have to be admitted, but for recruited athletes at UGA that is not a problem.

    The 2 or maybe 3 year old rule on foreign players losing one year of eligibility unless they come to the US immediately upon HS graduation is reducing the number of top foreigners. Before this they would play a few years in Europe with all of their tennis expenses paid to see if they were good enough to turn pro. When they weren't they came to play college tennis for 4 years and get a degree here. They would usually beat the crap out of 19/20/21 year old Americans when they were 24/25/26.

    This foreign student rule is not unique to private schools, but I think it hurts them more because they are not getting the top USA players in part due to the huge cost of attending private schools and the foreign pipeline has shrunk.

    Needless to say women's college tennis with 8 full scholarships does not have this issue.
     
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    No offense Dave but I find it really frustrating that this myth about private schools being unable to compete in tennis continues to persist on this forum.

    I cannot think of any D1 tennis schools that are hampered by being private, not anymore so than their public counterparts.

    USC - National title after national title. Nice blend of top Americans and great foreigners.

    TCU - Strong tennis team with good history that brings in international and American guys

    Miami - historically good program

    Boston College - they don't give scholarships at all so naturally they suck

    Notre Dame - Top 16 team with exclusively American players.

    BYU - down year this year but typically pretty strong program with primarily American players

    Wake Forest - Solid top 30 program with a good amount of top American juniors committing there.

    Northwestern - Tennis one of the schools strongest sports. Not a strong athletic school overall yet tennis is top 40 with primarily American players

    Tulane - Pretty good program. Currently ranked at 62. The best sport at the school right now outside of baseball.

    Baylor - Was nationally elite way before the advent of Baylor football and basketball. Knoll had them winning national titles and being top 5 back when Baylor football could not win a game and basketball was a joke. They are doing this with almost an exclusive cast of foreigners.

    Stanford - historically great. Down the last 2 years yet still grabbing top Blue-chip American recruits.

    Vanderbilt - NCAA runner-up in the past. Top 20 program many years with a lot of American players. One of the schools strongest sport

    Tulsa - The premier program of the school. Consistent tournament appearances and several sweet 16 runs. Doing it with a lot of foreigners. Had Arnau Burgues-Davi a Spaniard who reached #1 in the ITA. Next year has top American player Spencer Papa coming in.

    Duke - Great history. Several top blue chips commit to Duke yearly. Also get great international players from time to time.


    none of these teams would be any better if they were public.
     
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    Except for USC and Stanford a few years back the top men's teams have all been public schools for quite a while, primarily UVA, OSU, UCLA, and UGA. The next tier has included public schools like Tenn, TAMU, TX, Fl, KY, IL, Ole Mis, MS St, etc.

    If being a top 30/40 school is your definition of being a successful tennis program than fine. Maybe the cost has absolutely nothing to do with it as you seem to believe, but I think it is big factor, especially as college tuition has risen and risen. If the men had 8 full scholarships the private schools would then be playing on a level playing field like the women are now where more private schools are at or near the top and have been for many years.

    I did NOT say that private schools cannot "compete", although I have never known what that word really means when people use it. I think it basically means you lose but do not lose badly to the top teams. I did say that they are at a disadvantage due to the cost and only 4.5 scholarships. It would seem that would be obvious. I will add that some private schools have had a tennis tradition like Stanford and USC that helps a lot. It also helps that they are in CA where year round outdoor tennis has always been possible and where many top players grow up. Some others are truly elite academic institutions and that helps them.

    What do you think about the foreign rules that seem to inhibit the older foreign guys from dominating, which I believe Baylor was the first to take advantage of?

     
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    "I cannot think of any D1 tennis schools that are hampered by being private, not anymore so than their public counterparts."

    Really have to disagree with this statement and side with DaveKB. I only need to look at UCLA and UVA to see confirmation of this fact. There is absolutely no way they can have the roster that they do this year without instate athletes getting a better deal than a private school athlete.
     
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    Coaches I think should be feeling a lot of heat

    Iowa
    Utah
    Arizona
    Michigan
    Central Florida
    Georgia Tech
    SMU
    Yale
    San Diego State
    Rice
    LSU

    All these schools have very good budgets and support. They are all underperforming.

    These coaches saved there jobs this year

    Purdue
    Oregon
     
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    Fair point. A guy who who has won a national title at Pepperdine is going to be secure for life you would have to think. Their scholarship reductions are also probably a big part of the reason they have relatively struggled of late.
     
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    I suppose historical 'power' is a bit strong and sorry if I insinuated that. I do remember them being consistently pretty good for most of the 2000s though, at least in as far as always being a lock for making NCAA's and often being ranked around the 10-25 mark. They also had very solid individual players like Skupski and Venus. By this standard I think it's fair to say they are currently underachieving. I also would have thought LSU would have been a pretty easy college to recruit for, even if they don't have indoor courts...
     
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    Baylor are still doing a decent job at getting around the new rules it would appear...
     
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    Looking over the final top 25s for football and basketball and womens basketball, womens tennis... in none of those sports are private schools dominating the game. If your definition of success is winning national titles or finishing top 5 then you will see public schools dominate in ALL NCAA sports repertoire because they are the schools with big athletic budgets and nice facilities. In mens tennis the private schools I listed enjoy great success in comparison to how they do in other sports. And I forgot to add Pepperdine to my list who won a national title as a small private school who has no success in any other sport(aside from a random baseball national title in the 90s).
     
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    yeah I don't know how Donrbusch gets by with the new rule. And I don't think the new rule is that much of a hinderance. They can't play 4 years anymore but they can play 3 and come in a year early to start studying and then be eligible to play a year later. That's what Yannick Maden did at Clemson, he only played 3 years.
     
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    Yea what Dornbusch did basically, was finish school at 20 (Germans already finish high school late and if they are in a specialist sports school they take a reduced course load and finish even later), played the pro tour full time for about 6 months (getting up to ATP586 in the process), decided he hated traveling and packed it in.

    He then went to college in Cologne and basically packed tennis in save for playing German inter club tennis. Pradella then asked him if he fancied heading to Baylor for a semester to help strengthen them up a bit down the bottom of the order.

    He is pretty much the antithesis of the standard #6 as well as he's no longer that steady, nor is he that fit but he still must have one of the biggest forehand's in college tennis.
     
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  22. Vicious Vik

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    agree on all of those
     
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    The men's job at the US Naval Academy has come open with John Officer retiring. Also, the head women's coach position at TCU has surprisingly come available as well. No word on why Dave Borelli stepped down.
     
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    Shelton should start to get a little worried. They hired him to bring the men to the same level as the Florida women and so far he has just the same as Jackson if not even a little bit worse.
     
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    That is a confusing statement, no?. In a year and half, he made the SEC finals, hosted the NCAA's 2x, and did so without two starters this year (one of which was an a-hole and he kicked off...showing he won't compromise his values for immediate success..something very few coaches will do). Damn, awful job. He will finally have all the cancer off the team for the fall and has some great kids in. More stupidity from people who have no clue about college tennis. smdh
     
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    Utah's F.D. Robbins is retiring after 28 years and he'll be replaced by his assistant, Roeland Brateanu.
     
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    Isn't the Rice coach only a couple years in on the job?
     
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    I'll comment on the GT situation specifically which puts Coach Thorne under the microscope. He hasn't been able to field a complete line-up since early in the spring season. He's had two players leave the team due to academics: Anish Sharma and Vikram Hundal. Neither of which was in jeopardy of not being eligible but simply wanted to focus on academics and Hundal really wants to transfer from GT as well. One more player, Colin Edwards, left the team to pursue a religious mission and Coach Thorne reached out to him asking him to return to the team. Still, Casey Kay has been inactive for most of the spring due to bad hips. Hence, they've only got five guys for six spots..which equals a loss against even middle of the road teams.

    Looking toward next season, Nathan Rakitt has been solid at the top of the line-up but he's going to have be dominant at #1 beating some higher ranked opponents to give the team a boost when the score is close. Carlos Benito's been pretty much a disappoint so far. Hopefully, he'll get over the shock of how "good" the competition is in the U.S. collegiate system and step up in his sophomore season. Eddie Segura needs to anchor the middle of the line-up with some solid wins. Cole Fiegel's been the standout so far. Hopefully, he stays around for his sophomore season and continues to improve.

    If the additions of Chris Eubanks, Daniel Yun, Michael Kay, and Skander Mansouri don't improve on this season's results (and get GT into the top 25), I think Thorne may be done for. Just my .02.
     
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    Some rebuilding was expected after the loss of Gomez, O'Brien and Spir. But even given that GT has been worse than they should be. Tough luck losing those players but they weren't exactly world beaters. Sharma was never ACC quality and Hundal was pretty good in doubles but lost a lot in singles in the ACC.


    Rakitt has been a nice player and a good surprise. Benito shoukd be better next year. Segura is what he is. He's inconsistent and volatile and can be dangerous yet is also capable of some baffling results.

    Next year the new guys will provide a significant boost. Mansouri will be high in the lineup, as high as #2 potentially. The NCAA tournament shoukd definitely be the goal next year.
     
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    I agree that some rebuilding was expected after those guys left (including Potvin/Smith on the doubles front), but this year's team has been even more disappointing than expected:) Sharma?? Well..I agree with you about Sharma but it would be nice to have a body in place to be able to field a full line-up each match with the hope that you can catch the other team on an off-day and snatch a victory from the jaws of defeat. And even though Hundal may not have been a factor in singles, his work work Spir definitely wasn't a fluke. Even doubles specialists have their place and I think Hundal could've really helped out the doubles effort.
     
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    10 years on the job.
     
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    Tim Gray has resigned his position as the Head Men's Tennis Coach at Bradley. He had only been there 1 year.
     
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    Not a head coach change but Malte Stropp will be the new Assistant Coach at the University of North Florida next year.
     
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    The head women's coaching position at Yale has opened up. Not sure where Danielle is headed but my guess is to one of the current vacancies (i.e. Syracuse, Oregon, TCU, etc.)
     
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    I agree. If he does not produce next year then there should be a seat warmer in his seat
     
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    Michigan men now open
     
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    Oh wow... Thought it might be coming but still surprised. He was with Illinois when they won their title wasn't he? Thought he might do something at Michigan but never really got it going...
     
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    thinking there is more to this, due to some in season issues
     
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    Maybe, but think of Michigan's peer schools. There are five large schools which are considered the best public universities: Cal, Virginia, UCLA, Michigan, and North Carolina. Of course, two of those are pre-eminent programs. The other two are second-tier programs which have both landed top recruits recently. The other four will be playing this week.

    Berque's not a bad coach, but he's only landed two elite recruits over the last several years (King and Jung). Cameron Norrie may be a third. One great recruit plus mid-level players won't work, which is evidenced by the fact that Michigan has only made one Sweet 16 in the decade under Berque. At some point, Michigan had to make a change. Elite public universities with huge athletic budgets have to do better than that.
     
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    Also heard that as a coach he was a huge micro manager and the players there really did not enjoy that aspect and made that known to administration. Had he been wildly successful, that probably would've been ignored. The fact that they were some pedestrian (relatively speaking), this probably just made things worse for him.
     
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    University of michigan

    Who will be the next head coach at michigan now that Bruce Berque got fired?
    Who are the top candidates?
     
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    Vlad Stephen was a former #1 singles player and top transfer to michigan when Maryland dropped their program.

    Don't know if he would be the top candidate but OSU asst, Justin Kronauge was honored-selected yesterday as ita regional asst of the year.
     
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    I doubt that they will hire a young assistant at Michigan. Wouldn't surprise me if they elevated their current assoc. HC (Wurtzman) or hired a Bo Hodge, Marcos Asse (Illinois) or Kwinta (USC) just to throw a couple names out there.
     
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    Another dark horse that just came to mind would be Denver coach Danny Westerman. He has ties to Assoc. Head Coach Wurtzman (from their time at Denver together) and played in the big ten at Wisconsin. He's also done a real nice job in his tenure at Denver.
     
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    Michigan made a good move. Landing Evan King was the only thing keeping them relevant in recent years and that was a bit of a lucky situation. I would not go in house because he would not be much better than the current head coach.

    I like the Denver coach suggestion. That would be a great hire.
     
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