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  1. tennisballer

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    It was reported that although they did interview Audra Cohen, Texas was not very impressed with her for whatever reason. Last I checked an unbelievable playing career does not mean anything when it comes to coaching (Patty MCcain had a great professional career and by Texas' standards, had a mediocre coaching career). Not to sound cynical, but since when did North Florida become a school with strict academic requirements?
     
  2. on the line

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    Not sure where you are getting your info from but the truth is Texas was very impressed w/Cohen they just couldn't pull the trigger on someone that young with the scrutiny their athletic department is under right now.
    And yes many of the top coaches we have in the US were ALSO great players and it certainly helps when you have competed for championships at the top of your sport. Patty was not as successful at Texas as she was at Washington for a variety of reasons, which will be the very same reasons why the new hire will have her hands full too.
    And finally, UNF is part of the UF system, a highly academic system where recruiting players is extremely hard, they make absolutely no exceptions for athletes, unlike most of the mid-lower schools who take anyone with a pulse. Plus they only have 4 scholarships to give, everyone else they compete against has 8! People on this board are very quick to start comparing coaches without looking more closely at the schools they work in. Coaches who are achieving in spite of their programs challenges should be more respected!
     
  3. 3gtennis

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    Atlantic Sun Conference + schedule equates to impressive coaching credentials?
     
  4. on the line

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    Really it doesn't make a huge difference, you are either a good coach or you aren't. There are coaches in Div II schools that are every bit as good as some of your favorites on this board. They develop what they have and do the best they can in their school/program on the limited budget that is available. Just please recognize that the ability to recruit "anyone" with no restrictions, is a priceless luxury not every coach gets.
     
  5. JLyon

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    interesting the name popped up into a finalist position at a Southland School, although the new coach is coming from a smaller D1 in VA, where she/he was an Asst.
     
  6. Silver Fox

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    She's almost 30. About the same age as Silverio (Oregon) and Stephenson (Washington). She was up for both of those jobs as well as others. The truth is that she has a horrible reputation in college tennis, which is what is keeping her from getting jobs even though her results have been good at UNF. They are giving jobs away to women just like her this summer and she can't get one. Do the math.

    Lund-McNamara got Yale inside the top 20 and has a great reputation among coaches and players. She is a great hire - much better than I expected. Why would anyone hire Cohen over her?!?!
     
  7. Silver Fox

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    Now that is something I totally agree with.

    The truth is, Cohen a very good coach and recruiter and no one can argue with that because the results back it up. The problem is not her coaching. Ask around.
     
  8. on the line

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    It's curious why you continue to bash this coach, but frankly if you spoke with anyone at the top of women's tennis Roland, Brian K, Ronnie, Paige, Claire, Shelton, USTA national or USTA Florida they would disagree with your opinion strongly.
     
  9. tennisballer

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    @Silver Fox Agree with everything you said, you are definitely in the know. @On the line, nothing that Silver Fox posted was even close to "bashing" Audra. He stated she is a good coach and recruiter and has had some good results. From what I hear, the main issue at hand with Audra can be her brash personality. She is very upfront with people and that doesn't sit well with people.
     
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    ….no doubt Cohen is good but tough...all the really good ones are and if she were a man this wouldn't be such a problem? I guess all your male hero coaches are cakewalks right? I could name a few guys who have terrible reputations and whose exit interviews read like horror stories, but that's not the point. The point is this girl is doing a great job, her AD/school/team all love and respect her, and frankly your bashing says more about you than her,
     
  11. tennisballer

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    @On the Line. Still not sure why you perceive all of this discussion as "bashing" towards Audra. You obviously know her on a personal level and that is understandable that you would be protective of her. I'm just reporting what others have said about her. For the record I actually think she was much more qualified for Oregon and Washington than the coaches they actually hired.
     
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    tennisballer - Lets leave it here, ALL the top female coaches in this country are more than difficult women and thats just the truth, its part of their character. Yet so few of the ones coming up today have these traits AND are talented & driven enough to compete one day for a NCAA trophy…I'm all for supporting the few irons we have left in this fire.
     
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    @OTL I don't think anyone is bashing. I think people are reporting on what they have heard and you are being defensive of your friend. You may know her better than her reputation, but her reputation is that she is arrogant, abrasive, and ironically that she runs her mouth and bashes others on the recruiting trail.

    Like I said, I know she's a good coach. If you can get inside the top 75 with half of the scholarships as everyone else and playing in a conference that doesn't help you at all it doesn't matter what anyone says about you: You're a good coach.

    Flip side is when you are similar age and have better results and a great background as the people getting hired this summer and still don't get a job, then you're not coming across well whether that's in interviews or in the tennis community. They are GIVING JOBS AWAY to under-qualified women and Cohen is more qualified than anyone who got a power conference job this summer.

    I'm all for supporting talented and passionate women coming up in the coaching ranks but if you look at all of the national championship coaches in women's college tennis they are all pure class. You CAN win big and treat people with respect.

    That's great that she has the respect of the "inner circle" or whatever, but the bigger the job, the more people they call and unfortunately for Cohen, they don't just call your references.
     
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    @Silver Fox. Once again you hit the nail on the head. On paper, Audra Cohen is definitely more qualified than who they ended up choosing at both Oregon and Washington. Not only was she a national champion as a player she has experience in an area that neither of them had: HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE! (This is another element that has gotten lost in the shuffle. Call me crazy but as an AD I would much rather hire an accomplished Head Coach than an assistant coach any day.) With this being the case, you have to ask yourself why was Audra not offered the position at either Washington, Oregon or even Texas. The answer is what Silver Fox described - she is abrasive and rubs people the wrong way.
     
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    It also could just be a question of money. More experienced coaches want more money while the schools are looking to see what they can get for less. And it's no sure thing the new coach will get paid what the old coach was so maybe some candidates take themselves out of the running when they hear the salary. The schools seem more than willing to take the gamble on a less experienced coach that will cost them less and hope for the best.

    I won't mention any names but I know a D1 head women's coach who was given the job without having any head coaching experience. He makes about 30% less than the previous head coach earned.
     
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    change it to Men's and you have Ole Miss Men's hiring.

    Also they are a small D1 but Univ of Central Arkansas has hired a new Women's Coach, will wait for official announcement, but the coach comes in from a small D1 in VA as an Asst with 4 total years of experience, very young as well .... small correction actually was 2 yrs as Head Coach. will see how it translates. Look forward to meeting new coach
     
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  17. tennisballer

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    Former assistant coach at James Madison I presume.
     
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    Yeah, that's a super hire for OSU. Being semi-near the area, got to see him build a program at a school with basically no resources...very well-respected in the area and among top young coaches.

    Anybody hear anything new about Brown btw?
     
  20. tennisballer

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    Northern Illinois, Miami (OH) and UTEP have all hired new women's coaches. Official announcements should be coming in the next day or so.

    Regarding the search at Brown, it is down to three candidates. Berque, Ernst and possibly their current assistant.
     
  21. tennisballer

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    Christina Moros was announced as the new Head Women's Coach at UTEP. Considering all of the turmoil that program has gone through lately, this is a very good hire.
     
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    Yes looks like a great hire on paper. Arguably just as strong the coaches that Oregon and Washington hired. Miami Ohio made an even better hire with Jana Carola the assistant who was actual head women's coach at VCU with Kostin letting her do the majority of the job. She's a first-rate recruiter and will get Miami back into the rankings quickly.

    Northern Illinois with a head-scratcher. The North Dakota assistant coach. I guess after all of the turnover there just aren't many people left.
     
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    Yeah, curious hire at NIU considering her one year as the head coach at Southern Miss, they went 0-21. Any updates on the Brown position?
     
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    The USM 0-21 year was when their coach got fired and the lost a couple of players sometime during the season. She was named the interim coach. Also, had to find two players to get the roster to 6. They recruited from campus and found two girls with HS experience. One was decent but still not true D1 level the other was a novice.
     
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    still waiting for University of Central Arkansas to officially announce the hiring I heard about a week ago, embarrased that their SID/AD did not do a release on their previous coach stepping down and the hiring of the new coach, par for the course unfortunately. Think it is a good hire, but time will tell.
     
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    Jylon, what are you referring to regarding the Ole Miss men's hiring?
     
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    The Baylor womens coach needs to go. Last year he implemented a rule saying no 2HBH's, slice only, or you will sit the next match. Telling that to players who were nationally and internationally ranked juniors didn't go over very well.
     
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    New coach is getting paid significantly less than predecessor, which may not be a fair comparison since Chadwick was there 30 yrs.
    Toby will do well and has a heck of a class in for this year, he needs to Scholtz to be on campus though to break into Top 10 and solidify the line-up. New Asst is solid as well and figure Britton will be back as Student Asst again, he had a good demeanor with the players from what I witnessed.
     
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    You have got to be kidding!
     
  30. tennisballer

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    Northern Illinois sounds like another quota hire. It's not a top tier job by any means but it still is a decent D1 job where if you do well you can parlay it into a big time job. I know at least 2 well-qualified head coaches that did not even get an on-campus interview (you guessed it, they are males). Regarding Brown, hearing that a dark horse (current assistant at mid-major with head coaching experience - as well as a very sketchy reputation) has become the front runner and may have already accepted the position.
     
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    Nothing concrete as of now, but everyone seems to think Scholtz will return unless something major happens this fall with his ranking.
     
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    Since UCA and Longwood SID's don;t seem to want to put out press releases: Casey Wharton is taking over the Head Coach Position at University of Central Arkansas, Wharton was the HC at Longwood for previous 2 yrs. Not knowing the Longwood program I hope the poor record is a reflection of limited scholarships and not coaching ability
     
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    Hey JLyon: Casey Wharton is HC at Longwood, and at last check is still there.
     
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    Sorry meant Casey, he is was hired last Friday at UCA, neither school has issued a press release or updated their sites.
     
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    Scholtz came out guns blazing to start the summer (2 Future titles, 1 runner-up, 1 R16) but now he hasn't played a tournament in a month. I wonder if he scheduled the month off or is nursing an injury.
     
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    Longwood has 2.5 scholarships I believe.
     
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    Lots of the smaller D1 schools are not fully funded (several with even less than 2.5 scholarships unfortunately) so this is not a surprise with Longwood. Another problem they have is the fact that they are not affiliated with a conference and thus cannot gain entry into the NCAA tournament (unless they miraculously somehow manage to get a national ranking in the top 40).
     
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    Aren't they Big South?? Farmville is rough man! I was glad to see Coach Jak get back to a big school. They have had some decent players here and there. But, both the men and women were really bad last year...especially the women.
     
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    @goldy Sorry you are correct. I know they used to not have a conference affiliation, they must've joined in the last year or two. Looks like they've had some mediocre teams the last couple of years and I agree, I've heard Farmville can be a rough place.
     
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    So Longwood lost both of their Head Coaches? I know Casey is from Texas but I am not sure what that says about the school. Spent some time in Farmville, it is isolated but not that bad. The programs records over the last few seasons have not been very good but finally joining a conference (Big South) I thought would have helped.
     
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    yeah Groesbeck is turning out some coaches, the Women's Coach at Auburn is from there and now Casey, I hoping he can keep the momentum going from the previous coach, he has a Senior Laden team with 4 SRs, 2 JR, and 1 FR with potentially one more scholarship open
     
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    Malte Stropp was named as the new Assistant Coach at North Florida last week.
     
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    Young Finnegan added a solid Asst for the job down at UNF, he will be a great coach.
     
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    Surprised it has taken so long for them to get the press release out. I posted that in early May!
     
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    Former Ohio State All-American Bryan Koniecko was named head coach at Brown today - release. He was an Assistant there from 2010-12.
     
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    Very solid hire.
     
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    Stumbled across this earlier today but former Yale women's assistant coach, Kirsten Flower was named the head coach at the University of New Haven, a D2 school in CT. She was a very strong player during her collegiate days and that coupled with how some of the hires have been going on the women's side this summer should've guaranteed her a much stronger job. Maybe she just enjoys living in New Haven and didn't want to leave.
     

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