Comparison : TF 335 vs James Blake 300g

Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by Richie Rich, Oct 4, 2006.

  1. Richie Rich

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    In another thread jura posted that the 335 and JB's PJ dunlop were from the same mold.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=101420&page=4

    I have one of JB's paint job 300g's and I just got a 335 today. They seem to be exact matches. I took a couple of pics (sorry, my camera is excellent but i suck at taking really good pics. the glossy finish on the 335 doesn't help either)
    http://home.cogeco.ca/~cheeky/DSC03896.JPG
    http://home.cogeco.ca/~cheeky/DSC03897.JPG

    The racquets are the same shape, length and diameter. beam width is identical at 20mm. beam length (is that the right term?) is 9mm.

    the measurements of the head sizes (between 3/9 and 6/12) are off by 1mm due to the 335 being strung and the JB 300g not strung.

    I can't compare weight and balance because the JB 300g is customized with lead and the 2 racquets compisitions are likely completely different. That being said the 335 ra of 66 is 1 ra off the 300g ra of 67.
     
  2. BreakPoint

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    Hmmm...thanks for the pics. But in that first pic, the head of the TF 335 appears to be more tear-dropped than Blake's 300G to me. Blake's 3300G appears rounder to me in that pic.
     
  3. jackson vile

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    What is the strung weight and blance of the JB racket, you can predict the SW that way.

    Very good find!
     
  4. Richie Rich

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    it's the angle of the camera. the head shapes are EXACTLY the same.
     
  5. Richie Rich

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    don't know, never strung it. static weight is not heavy, even with the lead at 3/9. under 12 oz for sure.
     
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    That's amazing, but would he be using a TF frame?
     
  7. Richie Rich

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    doubt it. i suspect, like jura (or someone else mentioned?) that TF got hold of the mold and used it for the new 335/320 racquets. the 315/325 molds were nothing like the 335/320.

    even if JB does get sponsored by TF (not sure if this is even going to happen but it has been speculated on the boards) at least he can use his regular racquet with TF PJ and no one would ever know it was a PJ since the molds are exactly the same
     
  8. jackson vile

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    Just noticed that the M-fill 200 and 03HT have almost identical specs LOL

    I am thinking that these pros get the stock rackets that are available and then just simply add lead.

    We know that JB racket is 13.5oz and TH racket is at least 13.5oz so I am willing to bet TB racket is around 13.5oz as well. Otherwise the racket would be less 12.5oz.

    I believe that these particular pros are adding lead to hoop as seen and handle in order to keep a blance around 6pts for TB and around 8pts for TH and JB.

    That is just a guess.

    Also since Technifibre has this racket they must have a past Dunlop player going to use their racket, or they bought a mold from Dunlop for some reason?
     
  9. jura

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    Can't tell you how happy I am that I guessed right about the identical molds. I wasn't totally sure because I never hold the real Blake racket. But the history (TF tried to catch Blake, they got C. Rochus from Dunlop with the rackets prepared for Blake) made me hardly believe this.
    BTW: I don't thinks that TF bought the mold from Dunlop or anybody else. In my eyes this racket is a common mold, which means that everybody can produce rackets by this mold. (Remember that a Tyger racket is suspected to be the real Blake frame!) The DUNLOP logo at the bumper is only made by a small inlay at the bumper mold which can be replaced by a neutral bumper or for a few dollars by your one company. There is one more sign for me that makes me believe this is an open mold: All new TF rackets of the last years (T.Feel 305, T.Fight 315, T.Fight 270 or T.Feel 270) were made with a wider shaped style bumper. If they would have build a new mold and spend a lot of money in it they'd made also this bumper in this kind of shape. They didn't for saving the money.
     
  10. jackson vile

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    I was reading in another post that Blake has been using this frame for over 5 years, Do you think he can make the switch, so far the answer is no
     
  11. neo

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    jura, what's an "open mold" and how does such a thing come to exist?
     
  12. jura

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    Open mold means, that a factory has the mold on stock and everybody is free to order rackets mady by this mold. Also the bumper guard is available which is very important because a new bumper mold is more expensive than the mold for the racket.
    I. e. the mold of Head Ti. S6 was open and available about 6 months after the racket was issued. Nearly every factory has this mold (it's called T6) and so there are lots of copies available. Same for PS 6.1, radical and some more.
    On the other hand you won't find a copy of Pure Control/Storm because it's build with a Woofer bumper. This is patent pended and so you'd have to make and pay a new bumper mold. That's why you can't find a copy of Pure Control/Storm. For Pure Drive you only find copies without Woofer, the way the old Pure Drive was made. BTW: A racket of this mold was produced the first time in 1991 by Estusa!
     
  13. BlackJesus

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    Very interesting! It's possible to make a list of racquet made sith the same mold?
     
  14. pham4313

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    would you simply say a common mold is like a pipepline'?
     
  15. jura

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    For sure it's possible. But most of the copies are from "no name" brands. But over the years a lot of companies made different Rackets from the same mold. I. e. Wilson:
    - PS Classic (6.1), PS Classic Light (the "Steffi Graf racket"), HPS 6.1, n6.1
    - HPS 6.5, HPS 6.5 Zone, n6.1 Team/nPS
    - HH 5.2, H Tour, nTour, nTour Two
    Head:
    all Radicals until the LM series
    Babolat:
    all Pure Drives, they only created a new bumper and changed the string pattern when they developed the Woofer.
    But much more interesting are the copies ;-)
     
  16. pham4313

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    Richie,
    Would you say headsize of both rackets are 95 in square? My impression is 97 in square is for the outer rim as in Head system.
     
  17. Richie Rich

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    hard to say 100%. i'd say 97sq inch but i'm not sure i could spot 2 sq inches spread over an entire frame.
     
  18. pham4313

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    Richie,
    Is Blake's racquet even blance? or closed to it after strung? thanks
     
  19. Richie Rich

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    don't know, i've never strung the racquet. i don't have a balance board either.
     
  20. BlackJesus

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    In fact my post was more focused on brand clones :) For what I know that some years oga Australian made a racquet line rumored to be clones of popular racquets like POG and Wilson Pro staff. I've seen some of that racquets and they were quite similar but didn't pay much attention cause I didn't know this story about open mold
     
  21. Captain Haddock

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    There are obviously "open molds". The Prince Graphite II and the Pro Staff 6.1 classic molds are often used in Chinese factories to create cheaper clones. You could even order a batch with your own graphics. Cayman makes a Pro Talys (PG II) and a Pro Smash (PS 6.1), for instance. Accuforce made clones of the PG II as well. The 6.1 mold is widely used (Pro Supex, Pro's Pro, Cayman, Gosen, MegaAge, etc.). In Europe, Pro's Pro specializes in making clones. I have three Pro Staff 6.0 95 clones called Triton X1. that I bought in Belgium. Same mold, unidirectional instead of braided graphite, lighter weight (325 grams), more flex than the original. Very sweet frames indeed.
     
  22. BlackJesus

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    Fabrice do you know some site of the manufactures that you've mentioned for ordering one of this clones?
     
  23. jura

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    The problem is, that they usually don't produce small qunatities. It's hard to get less than 200 frames ;-)
     
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    Try to contact Forten. They used to provide that service with Pro-Supex frames (from Wilson molds essentially).
     
  25. westy

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    go to
    google, search pro's pro go to arfaian (with translate page)

    and follow instructions to get to rackets, the triton x1 is at the bottom of the adult section.
    i am very intrigued by this racket i mite get 1 just to try it, the strings from this website look ok to
     
  26. BlackJesus

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    I've seen the site and I noted some racquets familiar to Yonex isometric head-shape. Very interesting I thought i was patented
     
  27. jura

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    It can't be patented to Yonex because Yonex wasn't the first brand which produced rackets in isometric head shape!
     
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    Sorry I didn't know. Who was the brand that patented the isometric head shape? It's strange that only Yonex markets this as a technology and no other brands maybe with racquets that resemble an isometric head
     
  29. jura

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    In badminton there are lots of brands making isometric shaped rackets!
    For tennis the first isometric shaped rackets I know came from a brand called ROX PRO. It's the own brand of a Taiwanese racket manufacturer (meanwhile the factory moved to China). ROX PRO rackets are not sold in many countries at the moment (I know South Africa, Australia, Spain and some Asian and South American countries), mostly they make OEM products in tennis, squash and badminton, a lot of them in alumnium.
    Their first isometric racket was an aluminum stick during the 70es. In 1986 they designed an isometric shaped racket with a variable cross section. At this time apart of Kuebler no other brand didn't made widebodies and even no rackets with variable beam width and cross section shapes. They were really one or two steps beyond but never could promote their rackets really well. Also they didn't patented the isometric head shape. That's the reason why every brand is free to make them. It was just a kind of "accident" that only Yonex promoted it so big and nowadays everybody thinks it was their idea.
     
  30. Richie Rich

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    weighed the unstrung JB racquet today and it was 327g. add strings and you are in the 350-360g strung range. pretty manageable weight for a male pro
     
  31. jura

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    With strings you are at only 345 gr.! And that's pretty light. My rackets are 20 gr. heavier and I'm not payed for playing tennis anymore;-)
     
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    For what it's worth, here is a response from a Technifibre Rep on this topic:

    "The Tecnifibre TFight 335 18M nay play similar to the old Dunlop frames, but the molds and lay-up are very different compared to the Dunlop frames. The TFight 335 18M is our own design.

    Best regards,


    Paul Kid
    Tecnifibre USA - West Office"
     
  33. Richie Rich

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    sure, that's what they are going to say since the layup and weight is different. however, the mold of the 2 frames is identical in every way.
     
  34. jura

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    You are right regarding the retail Dunlop rackets. We didn't say that the T.Fight 335 is the same mold as an old Dunlop. It's the identical mold as the old Blake racket. And we all know that this wasn't a retail Dunlop.
     
  35. 10sstringman

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    FWIW, James plays with the Wilson 4.2. He always has.
     
  36. ericsson

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    Hi jura, what racket you play?
     
  37. jura

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    Since a few weeks I have a Babolat Pure Control +. It's a bit lighter than my old stick: I customized it up to 338 g unstrung (12 g silicon inside the frame at 3 and 9 o'clock).
     
  38. Leelord337

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    the grips look different
     
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    really? the wilson 4.2???
     
  40. gerli

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    Please, explaine me how to put silicon at 3 and 9 o´clock position. I only know to put silicon in the handle.
    Thank you!
     
  41. jura

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    grommets out, silicon in, grommets in. Put some tape over the holes at the inner side of the head while filling the silicon in.
     
  42. iplaybetter

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    the prince stringer i refer to talking about said that the o3 hb was gona be the blake stick
     
  43. Blank

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    By the way, what is the string pattern of JB's racquet? is 18x20?
     
  44. ericsson

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    Yes it is.
     
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    Wouldn't this leave the silicone uneaven once it has settled in? Why not use lead tape -which is more even weight distribution (and removeable)?
     
  46. tennisfa

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    cool...
    how did you get it?
    and how would you sell it for, if, you would?
     
  47. Blank

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    Anyway, has anyone tried the TFight 335 yet? How does it feel?

    And is TF made in China? where does this brand originate from?
     
  48. BreakPoint

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    If you do a search in the Racquets forum you'll find lots of posts and threads about it. It came out over a year ago and lots of people here have tried it and/or play with it. It has a solid, "old school" feel to it. Very nice racquet.

    Tecnifibres, like all racquets (except a few Yonex models) are made in China. Tecnifibre is a French company, and like Babolat, was a string company that expanded into making racquets.
     

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