Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by adil1972, Oct 22, 2012.
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If babies could abort their moms the world could be better
I fail to see the big deal about this abortion, from 39 years ago, being made public at this time. It obviously had a certain emotional impact on Jimmy Connors, which is why it is mentioned in his autobiography. Oh, and I fall strongly on the pro-choice side in the abortion debate.
Again, let's just say that our sense of morality is somewhat different. Having an abortion against the father's wishes poses for me a bigger moral dilemma than Connors disclosing that fact in a book. You said that you didn't think Connors was a decent human being for doing so. I question the moral inversion of making a moral judgment call on Connors while not acknowledging that the far bigger moral problem lays with Evert and the abortionist.
Like I said, our sense of moral outrage differs. I laugh, though, at you saying that Connors is not a decent human being while not having a problem with Evert's choice.
It is pretty decent from Connors that he never revealed this for almost forty years and he has every right to tell his story.
However it is not so decent from Evert to exclude Connors from her decision.
I have no problem with any woman’s choice. The key word is choice. If you find abortion morally objectionable, fine. But your objection and judgment of a woman choosing to have a legal procedure does not make it any less of a medical decision and like 99.9% medical issues they are private.
Let's say while Connors and Evert were together Connors left the tour for 3 months and it was assumed it was for injury. But it was really because he had a mental breakdown and was hospitalized. Would it be ok for Evert to write that in a book if Connors never mentioned it in public? The short and long answer is NO.
I use to have the very same views as you. I would wag my finger at a woman that would do such a "horrible" thing. My view changed when I met and got to know a person that made the same hard choice as Evert. She was the same age Evert was, 19 years old. Why would anyone would to re-open a wound that old only to sell a few more books? Or more likely just to be hurtful. There is a difference between being honest vs being truthful.
Jimbo has given a pass for being a world class jerk. And he’ll get a pass for this.
You forget that the abortion of this child(also Connors child) makes it his business and I think you have every right to talk about your business and certainly after forty years. It's not only her tragedy and she made her decision(not mutual) and didn't gave him a choice.
The comparison between your example and the abortion are like apples to oranges.
So, 21 year Connors was dying to be a father?
The example I gave is very relevant because both involve private medical matters. That is why there are laws against the release of medical information, and medical personnel can be fired and medical centers used over the release of such information. Evert terminated a pregnancy, not kill a child. That is per Medical Science and Law.
I realize that moral outage seem to be en vogue regarding Evert’s right to privacy; but why is Poor Lil Jimmy speaking up now…forty years later?
Because he's doing his autobiography, that's why.
kiki, I agree because most crimes and bad things are made by adults!
He's trying to sell books. Let's not get it twisted. Jimmy is about Jimmy.
Obviously he wants his autobiography to sell, but he's putting his story out there for the first time. I must admit that there were times in the past when I never thought that Connors would ever do an autobiography, because I didn't think him the type to reveal sensitive information about his life to the public at large, and he would never do a watered down account because that's not Jimmy's way.
Jimmy's way is to screw anyone and everyone one else.
What insight will be gained knowing Evert had an abortion? This from a guy that told reporters that Agassi could be his kids because spent a lot of time in Vegas.
I know, Jimmy is being Jimmy...
A big event in their relationship, and how he felt about it.
It was a joke.
And he rubs some people up the wrong way, while others totally "get" what he's all about. I'm in the latter camp.
Mustard, I get Connors too. He's not that complicated.
I get him, love his tennis, but he is about as narcissistic an *** as anyone can be. Not even a 'heads up' email to her so that anyone she had not told did not find out this way. YOu know he must have broken a personal promise to her never to reveal, right? Come on!
Problem is he wont acusse himself of co murdering
Tried to buy the book today, but just found out it isn't available in the UK until middle of next week. I should have spotted this earlier, but still gutted
So, he should place a gag order on himself to be as media friendly as possible?
If it was his child, then the answer is clear: because it was HIS child, too! Why do you continue to defend Evert as though abortion is only her concern? Fathers do not count? His experience and feelings do not count?
Jimmy could have told that story without mentioning any names.
Evert terminated her pregnancy, not kill Jimmy’s child. As I stated before, men can't get pregnant. It's a woman right to choice. The only thing I am defending is Evert or any woman right to privacy in regards to this matter. Yes, it takes two for a pregnancy, but only women have the burden and the decision to go through with a pregnancy. It’s not fair, it’s biology.
If Evert had made this public knowledge, not hearsay, then Connors would have every right to speak about it because it would have no longer been a private matter. Does anyone believe Connors life fell apart because of Evert’s decision? Well, other than that beatdown a post-prime Ashe gave him at Wimby in ’75. But may have had more to do with the frivolous lawsuit Jimbo filed against a guy speaking his mind than anything else...But that's just Jimmy being Jimmy. Speaking of that lawsuit, I hope this fighter from East St. Louis explained in his book why he dropped that suit. Because that would be HONEST and OPEN. Was he afraid to lose to Ashe in Court as well as on Centre Court in the same year? Because would have really sucked.
As far as Connors giving himself a gag order, I was only hoping, as I'm very sure that Evert was hoping, that Connors would have be a mature adult in this matter. I guess that would too much to ask.
Evert may not be Chrissie America that was sold to the public, but no one deserves to have a such a private matter brought to light this way.
And another interview video on ESPN
Enjoyed it. Thanks for posting. I still think Jimmy blew it and he's too stupid to realize it. If he lives long enough, maybe to 80 years old, someday he'll probably figure it out and he'll be very sorry.
For those of you who don't see anything wrong with Jimmy writing about Chris and the pregnancy, what would you think of a man who had a private, just for him, nude photo of his famous (or not) girlfriend and then sold it to publisher after the relationship ended?
Well, this is worse.
Yes, I'd like to see a nude picture of Chris from 1974, but He'd be a jerk if he shared one.
Yes, I know he married a nude model. Not the same thing as my question.
from Steve Flink's review
Please keep this thread about Jimmy Connors' book and not about the topic of abortion. If the abortion debate continues, the thread will be deleted.
Just more confirmation that Connors is a jerk. Agassi had the class to ask Brooke to confirm the accuracy of statements made in his book. It was still I'm sure a million times more interesting than Connors' trash novella.
My biggest problem with tennis fans is that they sometimes fall into a mob mentality, supporting someone "with passion" while failing to realize that the player is actually showing zero character and sportsmanship.
The number of folks who adore miserable humans like John McEnroe and Connors is Exhibit A of this.
"miserable humans"? wow...that's a bit strong. They are flawed people, just like all of us. And, as is Ms. Evert. Connors can talk about what he wants, who he wants, when he wants. If it's untrue or slanderous, that's what the courts are for. This does not appear to be that kind of situation.
Really? That's your standard for ethics or character? Victory in litigation?
No wonder we have so many lawyers!
ethics are completely relative....he is clearly lacking in courtesy, that's obvious....but he is entitled to speak about events in which he is/was involved, without requiring permission from anyone.
it's tacky, no question. but let's not make Evert the victim in all this....she's been hiding the truth for many, many years.
What truth was Evert hiding? She kept a very personal matter private. It was no one's business.
I saw Jimmy Connors give an interview to Charlie Rose on Bloomberg earlier, and I fail to see what Connors is supposed to have done wrong.
The Outsider is a great book about Jimbo and his life! Any fan of Jimbo will love to gain the insight's from his memoir!
Evert was a part of Jimbo's life and as such should be in his book! It helps explain maybe Jimbo's experience and reaction to the world at large! Helps to explain himself in other words to the world. Evert just does not like the picture that is paint about her - that all!
Just finished the book; a very compelling read overall. But, I have to agree w/some of Steve Flink's comments. For most of the book, it's clearly Connor's "voice" as if he was sitting there talking to you. But, at some spots it kind of drifts off from that, as if someone else were suddenly telling the story. Plus, there are a few factual errors I find odd, particularly when there are parts of the book where Jimmy can rattle off the exact sequence of matches he had against Mac, Borg, etc.
Most prominent error, is a chapter's closing line stating that the '83 USO final was the last GS final he would ever play. uh, no, wrong. Which seems odd when Jimmy mentioned the '84 Wimby match more than once in the book.
There are also some neat things in here that most of us probably never knew about Connors...certainly humanizes him quite a bit. Really enjoyed some of the parts about his early days. And, yeah, the bit about chrissie could've been left out, but it's pretty much placed inside the context of their relationship.
f Jimmy promised her that this would remain confidential, it probably did not come with a caveat exempting book agents or us. I have never bought that idea that a biography-for-profit is useless to the world if every sordid and private matter is not included that its readers would want.
If you think all those other greats who wrote biographies were somehow stealing from readers, by not including intimate private details of family, lovers and friends, I feel very sorry for you. I'd bet good money there are still painful and 'lifechanging' secrets in Connors' past, that he conveniently left out. In my book, you keep your promises, just the way you gave them.
Well said. I agree with everything you wrote, but would add that Jimmy didn't need to promise Chrissy (in 1974) he'd not tell anyone. In this case, it goes without saying that it's a secret. It's too obvious to have to say.
I mean if he promised or not, he still shouldnt have written about it without her persmission.
the notion that the confidentiality of this matter ( how to keep this a secret)was not discussed but most every other aspect of this complex issue , was discussed, does not pass the laugh test. If they talked about it, they talked about who each would and wouldnot entrust. Most likely that involved a plea not to tell anyone.
This whole debate reflects our modern notion of entitlement. We are entitled to the autobiography that offers us 'a window' into every nook and cranny so that we get the kind of read worth our dollars. It can't be dull. It can't be tentative. It can't be less than total and remorseless candor, or we are cheated.
That is just too damn bad. He can bloody well shove his unvarnished secrets truths in a vault for 50 years until after he and she are dead and buried, and we can wait for the amendments to chapter 6, 10, and 12
Jimmy is pluggin his new book in London this week.
The Outsider is at number 8 in the New York Times best seller list.
Mac and Agassi went to number 1 and Sampras peaked at 16 in this chart
^have you read it yet, Juan?
Yes Moose Malloy
A fast and engaging book to read.The part on Gerulaitis is very emotional. I loved Vitas as a player and broadcaster. Well done
Great read. I ate it up in hours.
yeah, that chapter really had a tone of sadness to it. You can tell that Jimmy was thinking "if only I had gotten him to stay here one more day". The part about the intervention was very interesting too...everyone tried real hard to get vitas back on the straight and narrow.
there were definitely some parts of the book that showed some soft spots...who would've thought he was such a dog lover?
I hope to be getting this book at some point in the next few days.
Did you see Jimmy on skysports news the other day?
I did. He was apparently interviewed on the BBC too. I also saw him interviewed by Charlie Rose on the Bloomberg channel.
Best tennis autobiography for years.
But it remind's me of Connors career from 1975 thru 1978, could have, should have, been a lot better!!
lol I was looking at the 2007 wimby final last night, via bbc coverage on youtube and 2 of the commentators were..(*drum roll*) Connors and john Lloyd who just in case any folk in here don't know were both going out with crissy evert.
I remember when I was small in the early 80s when they got married he was always in the crowd watching crissy with shades on, and his sleeves on his jacket rolled up Miami vice style
a bloke with a guide dog (a Labrador) was on court for the toss up of that 2007 final, a bit surreal seeing a dog out there on centre court..a bit of a risk though..it might have farted out a massive poo what then ??.
The Connors book is absolutely Superb
Well i finally finished reading the book last week, and it is absolutely Superb
It is everything I hoped it would be, an open and honest account of Jimmy's life. It gave a great insight into what influenced him and what happened throughout his life. My only criticism is that the book could have been double the size, there is so much more detail and so much more I'd have liked to have heard about.
Anyway, i was lucky enough to get to his book signing in London. Jimmy was brilliant with the fans, chatting to every fan and having photos taken and signing everything, he really was amazingly generous. He was due to be there an hour, but the queue was all the way down the street outside the shop and he spent hours there.
Jimmy not only signed the book, but also 2 of the rackets I brought along, 2 rackets he used to use in the 1980's and 90's (a white Slazenger Panther Pro Ceramic and a yellow Estusa Pro Legend Classic). I asked him about the Estusa's and he said he used the same racket between about 1990 and 1993 under all the different colour paintjobs.
I then pulled out a Slazenger Phantom 90 and a 95 out of my bag. He looked really impressed I had these, and said what a great collection I had there. I asked him which size he used 90 or 95. He held both and had a good look at them, but said it was too long ago and he couldn't remember. I'd have really liked a definite answer (I think it's the 90 by the way), but he just couldn't remember, never mind.
Anyway I really recommend the book, it's a very interesting read even if you're not a Connors fan. If you are a Connors fan like me, it's just a brilliant read
Yeah brilliant book and am only at the middle of it - extremely interesting insights into mid-70's tennis war of organisations such as WCT, Riordan's tour, pre-ATP led by Arthur Ash and ILTF (pre ITF).
What everybody forgot (myself included) is that Connors did win 3 out of 4 Slams in 1974 the year he was banned from the French Open since under contract with another tour manager...and that he did beat Bjorn Borg on Amercian clay at US Open when it took place at Forest Hill. He finished with 8 Slams but did he have played the French Open in the years he was number 1 instead of boycotting it subsequently to his 1974 ban, the story may have been different.
Plus those challenge match between him and Laver at Caesar Palace in Vegas...that's something we miss in today's tennis.
Very exciting, honest and insightful book.
What makes you think everyone forgot that? Or maybe I should say how could you for get it? It's one of the best things known about Jimmy. He probably would have won the Grand Slam that year. That's the reason it's unforgettable. We usually are reminded of it when people talk about those who have won THE Grand Slam. They mention the names Budge, Laver, etc. Then they tell about how Connors was cheated or disallowed form a great chance to win it
And yes, he did win a major on clay, so it helps prove that he could have done it in Paris in 1974.
Connors was banned from the French because he was playing World Team Tennis. I think the reason for the ban was it competed with European tournaments in the months right before the French. The people with the power to do it, decided to ban WTT players in hopes it would force them to play Europe rather than WTT. Chris Evert was banned to. Didnt she win the French 7 times?
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