Connors had more powerful groundstrokes than most top modern day players

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    Ridiculous. Stop drawing silly conclusions by picking the youtube videos of your choice...
     
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    It's a shame that Gasquet and Roddick are being used to highlight pushing in the modern game, when with the correct mindset, both have the tools to be two of the most aggressive and attacking players on tour.
     
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    The very top of what?


    South African Airways ATP Rankings, 28.11.2011
    14 Roddick, Andy (USA)
    19 Gasquet, Richard (FRA)


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    Gasquet being labeled a pusher? I'm a bit confused at that one. Sure he rolls topspin backhands on clay, but on grass and other fast surfaces he tends to be one of the more aggressive players.

    Oh, and then there's that frickin 100+mph backhand he hit off a Murray 2nd serve at the French. That was sweet.
     
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    Can you also enlighten this forum on Serves from Connors era to current era?
     
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    Connors would thrive in today's era with all this pace.
     
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    Hes a beast as a tennis player but also a jerk. The matches between him and Mcenroe were always thrilling.
     
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    Mark Philippoussis without a doubt has more powerful groundstrokes than Connors did.
     
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    Didn't he all but retire about 8 years ago?
     
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    but connors just hits super flat. so it faster than top spin
     
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    Didnt connors retire like 15+ years ago?

    What's your point?
     
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    I am so confused by this thread.
     
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    Depends what you mean by powerful. Velocity or velocity+spin.
     
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    Old people like to think their generation was the best at everything.. thats why you see these "Laver vs Federer in their primes..who wins" threads.
     
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    it depends on what match youre comparing. if you watch a lendl-mecir or lendl-wilander match you will have the opposite conclusion and believe that todays players hit harder
     
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    The quality in that 1984 match was so bad I couldn't even see the ball.

    But it looked like Connors played several baseline strokes before actually coming in. And I have a feeling like he would have been passed so much but today's player that there's no way he could play that type of style and win many matches.
     
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    BeHappy had more rubbish threads than most top modern day posters.
     
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    It's too bad that I can't find the highlights of Roddick vs Gasquet at the 2007 Wimbledon to make this a more analogue comparison.

    Gasquet hit one or two backhand winners above 105mph in that match.
     
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    Murray has hit his forehand 124mph, does this mean he isn't a pusher with one of the worst forehands in the top 20?
     
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    This thread's about comparing modern players to Connors. Is English your first language?
     
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    This match link is posted a lot. The sound from that video really exaggerates the hitting making it seem harder than it is.
     
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    That was just to give an idea, it's more about how the match played out. If I recall correctly, I think Roddick was doing fine until Gasquet caught lightinh in a jar and started throwing winners out of anywhere.

    Just found a korean link to the full match so far, unfortunately...
     
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    haha yeah i agree. A lot of modern tennis sounds that way when you have a racquet strung with stiff poly at 60lbs and you're hitting the cover off the ball it's going to sound like a gunshot, but if you compare the actually speed of the ball with some faster tennis in the 70s and 80s like grass or carpet you can see that the speed of the game isn't exactly getting that much faster. Gut just doesn't make that type of sound as it's much softer. I've seen Sampras unload forehand winners you could barely see but the sound isn't that loud. Another factor is obviously that players hit with more spin now so that does slow the ball down. If you watch some indoor matches with McEnroe, Connors, Lendl and even a late 30s Laver the speed of the ball was such that winners were very common and not due to a lack of foot speed. Everyone’s seen muddy clay matches with Borg Vilas with 100 ball rallies but on a faster court I’ve seen Borg unload on shots nobody today would get to either. And that was with a wood racquet. These players are champions and no doubt if they grew up in today’s game they would be equally as successful as their games would adapt to the current gear / surfaces and game style. The older generation of players just don't get enough respect
     
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    No, they get a little too much respect from folks like yourself. We have all read your posts talking about how everyone in the older generations was over 9000 times more skilled than modern players.

    "and no doubt if they grew up in today's game they would be equally as successful" :confused:. You love bashing Nadal and Djokovic by saying that they would be annihilated by Petros's "hydrogen bomb serves" and "line clipper 100 mph forehands" (which apparently happened 100% times when Pete hit a forehand). According to you, Petros was Godlike on the faster surfaces and also would be ,"without a doubt", godlike on today's slower surfaces. On the other hand, sh1tty modern players like Nadal and Djokovic thrive due to the slow conditions and athleticism and would be wiped off the face of the earth had they played in faster conditions.

    Way to be a hypocrite. It is equally valid to say that modern players don't get the respect they deserve.
     
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    I don’t start threads bashing modern players. It’s only in defense to idiotic threads about how Petros wouldn’t even be a top 20 players today, heck, not even better than Hanescu. It’s **** like that that gets me going. Modern players would have the same ability to adjust to a different game. Nadal, Djokovic and Federer have obvious talent that goes beyond just their strokes. Nobody is saying they wouldn’t be top players in any other generation but they wouldn’t dominate. The scenario would be more along the lines of… Nadal is now winning Wimbledon, if he was playing in Laver’s era with old school gear chances are Laver would own him on grass in the same way Nadal would own him on clay. You put all the greats together they would all be splitting wins here and there. Nobody would be on top on every surface like in the “modern game”
     
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    Awesome post.

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    Yeah but to say all the greats of the game would be splitting wins here and there is just as fraudulent as saying one guy would dominate them all.
     
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    You're actually very ambiguous about what this thread is about. You said yourself in the OP that this thread is about the effect slower courts have had on allowing "pushers" to rise to the top, but your thread title seems only concerned with how hard Connors hits. So which is it?

    This thread doesn't seem to be about Connors supposedly hitting harder than current pros. What's showcased in the Connors video is not hard hitting, but aggressive hitting.

    That being said, it's incredibly naive to reach any conclusion about today's game by using ONE example from each era. One could just as easily post highlights of a Borg clay match vs. a Del Potro match (for example) and say today's players are far more aggressive and harder hitting.
     
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    Yep, I guess that's what it means!
     
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    Connors hits more powerful shots than top players yeah sure sure Connors harderst probably equals djokovic's weakest people these days crack the ball so damn hard, djokovic, delpo, soderling ITS CRAZY! really? connors? really?
     
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    How about no?
     
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    yeah i wanna see how awesome djokovic plays with
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    They were hitting 80mph + groundstrokes consistently. You believe Connors hits a harder ball than Safin or Agassi? Grow up!




    But hey, Agassi is more talented than Sampras right? :roll:.......
     
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    I'm not denying that. The combination of the greatest players from each era makes up of a collection of the greatest players ever (no one greatest player however). That's why era comparisons are only for the ignorant and quite frankly I'm not in that group (lack of S&V is to due with conditions etc).


    However, Agassi is known for hitting huge strokes and he was an innovator of his baseline game. Many players like Nadal and Roddick have both stated Safin hits arguably the hardest strokes. Not to mention the fact he puts little effort to hit these speeds, especially on his backhand. Going by 'sound' to try and ridicule a match is laughable.



    In terms of respect, I'd say fans of both era show a complete lack of understanding/respect to qualities players from both era's posses. Swings and roundabouts. Here, try this link, keeping in mind this is Seppi versus a past prime Safin at W08. Both guys going at it - you don't see much of this right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvDAEsIdQhA
     
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    You're an idiot, don't worry about it.
     
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    I'm not really worried, I guess that's a true signal of being an idiot. So you must be right.

    BTW, did we met before?
     
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    You think Connors wouldn't be able to hit as hard as Safin playing in today's game? You grow up.

    And yes Agassi was more talented, they guy was a playboy and not even serious about tennis and still managed to win an amazing number of slams. Pete was all about tennis, it was his life. Reverse their attitudes, Agassi gets 14+ slams, Sampras gets 3.
     
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    Honestly, I don't think I've seen anyone hit as hard as Marat with such little ease. So no, I don't think Connors could hit as hard as Safin, especially off the BH. That thing was a monster. But to be honest, you can say Connors could hit a bigger serve that Roddick/Karlovic and argue your point, because no one knows.

    Amazing what you can do with joke draws, playing favourable matchups a long the way isn't it?
     
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    We've met before.
     
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    I don't know where you get your information but most of it is wrong. Didn't you hear of Agassi hitting thousands of balls from a ball machine that his dad made since he was like 8. He went to the Bollitiere Academy for years.

    Sampras won 14 slams because he was a much better player than Agassi and his results prove this.

    I don't know why you are trying to make Agassi sound like Gulbis but its totally innaccurate.
     
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