Consecutive points won on 1st serve

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  1. krosero

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    Here's a list I have, more info is welcome.

    (See http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=138638 for streaks of consecutive service points of every kind).

    37 by Raonic to open his win over Istomin at 2014 Tokyo
    36 by Sampras against Becker at 1995 Wimbledon
    36 by Kyrgios against Nadal at 2014 Wimbledon
    32 by Sampras against Courier at 1993 Wimbledon
    32 by Karlovic against Ginepri at 2014 Newport R1 (24/24 in first set)
    31 by K. Anderson against Tomic at 2013 Sydney
    27 by Borg to close his 1979 Wimbledon semifinal against Connors
    27 by Serena Williams against Larcher de Brito at the 2010 W (spanned entire match)
    27 by Raonic to close his win over Nalbandian at 2012 Madrid
    26 by Lendl against McEnroe in the 1985 USO final
    26 by Agassi against Rafter at the 1995 AO
    26 by Federer against Lopez at the 2007 USO
    26 by G. Dimitrov against Raonic at 2013 Brisbane (spanned entire match)
    24 by Sampras during his 1990 USO semifinal against McEnroe
    24 by Sampras to open the 1990 USO final against Agassi
    24 by Becker to open a 1993 Wimbledon quarterfinal against Stich
    23 at least by Lopez against Federer at 2011 Madrid
    22 by Ivanisevic against Agassi in the 1992 Wimbledon final
    22 by Becker against Sampras in the 1996 ATP Championships final
    21 by Tanner against Lendl at the 1983 Wimbledon
    21 by Federer against Philippoussis in the 2003 Wimbledon final
    20 by Borg against Gerulaitis at the 1981 Wimbledon
    20 by Becker against Leconte at the 1985 Wimbledon
    20 by Lendl against McEnroe in a 1989 AO quarterfinal
    20 by Santoro against Safin at 2003 Lyon (spanned entire match)
    20 by Federer against Roddick in the 2009 Wimbledon final
    19 by McEnroe against Lendl at the 1983 Wimbledon
    19 by Lendl against Connors at the 1992 USO
    19 by Chang against Sampras in the 1996 USO final
    19 by Sampras against Agassi at the 1996 ATP Champs., round robin (spanned entire match)
    19 by Querrey at the start of the match against Russell in second round at 2014 Washington
    18 by Ashe against McEnroe in the 1978 Masters final
    18 by Zivojinovic against Becker to start their 1988 Davis Cup meeting
    18 by Becker against Sampras in the 1996 Stuttgart final
    18 by Rosol to open his match against Nadal at Wimbledon in 2012
    18 by Del Potro against Federer in the 2013 Basel final
    17 by Rosewall against Smith in a 1974 Wimbledon semifinal
    17 by McEnroe against Borg at the 1980 USO
    17 by Becker against McEnroe in Davis Cup in ‘87
    17 by Lendl against Agassi to close their RR match at 1988 Masters (14 in last set)
    17 by Ivanisevic against Sampras in a 1995 Wimbledon semifinal
    17 by Sampras against Becker in the 1996 Stuttgart final
    17 by Raonic against Federer at 2012 Madrid
    16 at least by Sampras against Philippoussis to close their 1998 Wimbledon quarterfinal
    16 by Newcombe to open the 1971 Wimbledon final against Smith
    16 by Karlovic at the start of the match against Paire in second round at 2014 Washington
    15 by Curren against Harmon at 1983 Wimbledon
    15 by Courier against Edberg in the 1993 AO final
    15 by Ivanisevic against Sampras in a 1995 Wimbledon semifinal
    15 by Becker against Sampras at the 1996 ATP Champs. round robin
    14 at least by Ivanisevic against Becker to open their 1994 Wimbledon semifinal (14 in first set)
    14 by Lendl against Wilander in the 1987 USO final
    14 by Kafelnikov to close his semifinal against Sampras at the 1996 French
    14 by Sampras against Agassi in a 1993 Wimbledon quarterfinal
    14 by Sampras against Becker at the 1996 ATP Champs. round robin
    14 by Sampras against Agassi in the 1999 Wimbledon final
    13 by Gerulaitis against Borg in a 1977 Wimbledon semifinal
    13 by Becker against Sampras in the 1996 ATP Championships final
    13 by Borg against McEnroe in the 1980 Wimbledon final
    12 by Borg against McEnroe in the 1981 Wimbledon final
    12 by McEnroe against Wilander in a January 1984 Masters semifinal
    12 by Agassi against Sampras in a 1993 Wimbledon quarterfinal
     
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  2. Moose Malloy

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    thanks for posting. I admit, I'm not great at tracking this stat. Usually I only notice a long streak when it begins a set(then I go back & see if they ended the previous set with a streak)

    If they have a long streak in the middle of a long set, I'm less likely to see it or bother counting.

    I would imagine Martina had a long streak at some point, do you know what her highest 1st serve pts won % was in matches we did?

    That Chang one is pretty surprising, I don't recall that match as being close at any point.

    I wonder if Stich had a long streak vs Sampras at '93 Masters, think he served 7 straight aces at one point.

    Federer vs Lopez at '07 USO is another possible long streak, since he won 35 straight points on serve.
     
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  3. Limpinhitter

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    It's interesting to see Agassi up there twice. I think his serve has been very underrated.
     
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  4. krosero

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    We only have that stat for one of her matches -- 79% in the 1987 W semi vs Evert.

    She had streaks of 12 and 15 in that match.

    That streak occurred during the third set which went to 7-6. He won his last 19 points on 1st serve, starting with the last point of the second set.

    Chang's success on 1st serve for the match was actually a little higher than Sampras' (86% vs 85%).

    Perhaps indicative of how well Chang returned.
     
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  5. Moose Malloy

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    Goran had streaks of 17 & 15 vs Sampras at '95 Wimbledon.

    I took that stat in several of her matches. '85 USO F, '86 W F, '81 AO F, '82 AO F, '81 USO F, '84 AO SF

    had 80% 1st serve pts won in the '84 USO final.
     
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  6. krosero

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    Had a brain cramp there. Yup, that's the highest one in that group.
     
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  7. Moose Malloy

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    can confirm he had a streak of 26 on 1st serve.
     
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    The Davydenko one is wrong, I think
    I think Davydenko served 100% IN, not won 100% on 1st serve
     
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  9. pc1

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    Actually does anyone have record of most consecutive times in holding serve? I believe Sampras did it more than 100 times in a row at Wimbledon.
     
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  10. Moose Malloy

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    ^Sampras' longest streak was 97 games at '97 Wimbledon.

    Wayne Arthurs had a streak of 111 at '99 Wimbledon(but it included qualifying matches)
     
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    Thanks Moose. Do you or anyone else know of any records for consecutive hold over a period of time?
     
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  12. krosero

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    Where's Greatest Of All-Time fill-in-the-blank (aka Fed) on this list?
     
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  14. krosero

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    I haven't noted any streaks for Fed, maybe others can provide some.

    Moose and I have plenty of streaks from older matches because we did all the stats for those matches ourselves. We've rarely done service stats for matches in the Federer era, because nowadays most service stats are available online (though streaks of points on 1st serve are not usually provided).
     
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  15. krosero

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    Post #7 has one.
     
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    Obviously when Bill Scanlon won his Golden set he had to have won at least 12 consecutive points on serve.
     
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  17. Moose Malloy

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    Raonic was 27/27 on 1st serve vs Nalbandian in Madrid today
     
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    44 by Raonic against Federer R2. Madrid 2012
     
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  19. Moose Malloy

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    ^it was 17 straight vs Federer. 44 consecutive over the 2 matches(Nalbandian & Federer)
     
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  20. krosero

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    Good stuff, guys, keep it coming.

    Looks like the streaks by Borg and Raonic are the longest unbroken streaks on the list (by 'unbroken' I mean the streak was still alive when the match ended).
     
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    Right. Thank you. I'll pay closer attention next time. :)
     
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  22. Moose Malloy

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    Federer had 14 straight to start his Davis Cup match with Isner
     
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  23. Moose Malloy

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    Djokovic was 17 of 17 on 1st serve pts won in the 2nd set vs Del Potro, 2012 USO. Not sure how long the streak lasted.
     
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  24. krosero

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    Amazing, Djokovic put in 17 first serves, while Del Potro had 38. Mostly due to that long game Delpo served at 5-6.

    Didn't Delpo win the first 10 points of the set? I thought that's what the commentators said. He had Novak down love-2, love-30 on serve. So Djokovic lost his first 6 service points of the set.

    But those 6 points must have all gone to 2nd serve, if he ended up 17 for 17 on first serve.
     
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  25. Moose Malloy

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    Raonic had 16 straight to start the '11 Memphis final vs Roddick
     
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  26. Moose Malloy

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    Rosol had 18 straight to begin his match with Nadal at Wimbledon
     
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    Are you saying Sampras essentially went 9 service games and didn't miss a first serve and didn't lose a point, or that of the first serves he got in the court, he won 36 straight points?
     
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  28. krosero

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    The latter.
     
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  29. Moose Malloy

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    Dimitrov was 26/26 on 1st serve pts won vs Raonic in Brisbane
     
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    Courier had 15 in AO 1993 final against Edberg, in last two games of 1st and in first 3 games of 2nd
     
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  31. Nadal_Power

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    In 2013 Sydney final Kevin Anderson won 31 consecutive points on first serve against Bernard Tomic
     
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  32. krosero

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    Not sure about this, the ATP has Anderson winning only 48 of 60 points on first serve (80%) for the whole match.

    Here it says that Anderson won 29 of 31 service points of every kind in the second set.

    http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/01/12/tomic-tops-anderson-in-sydney-for-first-title/

    Tomic dominated the first set, winning 20 of the 27 points on his serve and earning the lone break. Anderson had the only break chance in the second set, but failed to convert and won 29 of the 31 points on his serve, capturing the tiebreak thanks to a trio of unforced errors from Tomic.​
     
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    That's almost the longest unbroken streak on the list. Surprised Raonic was not the one with a streak in this match; but then again he did lose in straights. Still he won 21 of 24 1st-serve points.
     
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  34. krosero

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    Sampras won all 19 of his 1st-serve points against Agassi at the ATP Champs. in '96 (round-robin), according to the ATP. In this case we know the ATP stats are correct because Slice Serve Ace has Sampras serving 38 points, in line with the ATP stats.
     
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    I've analysed the match point by point

    At the end of first set he won 6 consecutive points on first serve, in second set he was 21 from 21 after 1st serve (thats 27) and 4 more at the start on 3rd set
     
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  36. krosero

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    OK thanks I've put him in the list. Tremendous streak, third highest so far.
     
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  37. krosero

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    Becker had 15 straight, Sampras 14, in their round-robin match at the '96 ATP Championships (won by Becker).
     
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  38. krosero

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    Becker had 18 straight, Sampras 17, in their 1996 Stuttgart final (won by Becker in five sets).
     
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  39. Moose Malloy

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    ^did you take any other stats on this match?
     
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  40. krosero

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    There are several points (all on Pete's serve) that the ZDF network never showed. They kept showing service stats (first serves made, success on 1st and 2nd), which is how I filled in the blanks and got the streaks.

    The ATP stats for this match are correct.

    For Becker I've got a full count: apart from aces he had 30 unreturned serves (23 first serves), of which I judged 7 as service winners.

    Sampras, apart from aces, had at least 34 unreturned serves (22 first serves), of which I judged 5 as service winners. He won 6 points not shown and all theoretically could be additional unreturned serves (but not aces).

    Becker had 22 non-service winners, potentially one more.
    Sampras had 35 non-service winners, potentially six more.
     
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  42. krosero

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    Del Potro won 18 straight points on first serve when he beat Federer in Basel a few weeks ago.

    The streak was almost unbroken, he lost finally on the last first serve that he made in the match.
     
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  43. Moose Malloy

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    Murray won all of his 1st serve pts in his 1st round match in Doha vs Mousa Zayed(20 points)
     
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    Surprised to not see Mac listed even more. When he was locked in (especially the tight-angle slice that ran his opponent completely out of view of the camera), the returner was helpless. Becker once said he hated returning JP's serve more than anyone, because he had no idea where it was going.

    Sampras might have had longer streaks if he didn't suffer recurring boredom. He'd be down 15-40 on his serve and then wait... here it comes... boom, three straight aces. The ironic thing is I truly believe Sampras tried to manufacture suspense in some of his matches. Nobody was buying. He could dial up an ace whenever he wanted.
     
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    seriously querrey needs a double check, hit 10 aces in a row once and not in that list i am surprised
     
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    Welcome to TW, Sir Pascal Maria :)
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  50. Nadal_Power

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    Record tied... Kyrgios won 36 consecutive points on 1st serve against Nadal in Wimbledon 2014 R4
     
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