Considering switching from 1HBH to 2HBH, advice?

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  1. Falloutjr

    Falloutjr Banned

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    Okay, so I'm considering the change because I want to be a more solid baseline player, and the 1HBH just isn't a great fit for me, I don't often find a huge advantage with it when transitioning to the net because I slice most of those balls anyways.

    As for my form, I have been using continental/eastern, keep both arms pretty straight, but I often find my left arm being a bit tired after hitting it for extended periods of time and I don't feel like I'm getting great unit turn. Maybe I'm muscling the ball too much and over-exaggerating the left hand swing? I have decent form, but not generating much power. My balls are either extremely flat and short and land on the service line or I pop them up and they land near the baseline. Any advice for fixing that?

    Also, I struggle to get the racquet under the ball. I noticed on high balls, that's not a problem because those shots are high enough that I can swing down and still keep the ball in the court, but on low balls, I still have trouble finding the right balance of topspin.

    Anyways, thanks for the advice.
     
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  2. Limpinhitter

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    I did it about 25 years ago. My 1hb was my better side, but, elbow problems forced the switch. I will tell you that the biggest challenge is going to be learning to incorporate more upper body rotation in your swing because you don't have the freedom of arm movement with two hands on the stick, and learning to set up a little closer to the ball.
     
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  3. salsainglesa

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    patience! lots of it...
     
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  4. Falloutjr

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    Yeah, body rotation has been the hardest thing to get a hang of, though spacing myself from the ball and my timing have been pretty good. The body rotation is probably what's keeping me from hitting it harder.
     
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    You need tons of rotation, almost forehand-like amounts.
    also, no need for the loop. You can just take it back and swing.
     
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    That's also an adjustment, as I have a big loop on my backhand, though I know I've seem some pros putting the loop on their two-handed backhand a little bit. I've noticed when I put in that loop I find it easier to hit it pretty flat.
     
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    Also keep in mind, you're essentially hitting a non-dominant hand forehand. Let it be the arm that controls the shot. Try not to straighten the arms, and let them move freely and comfortably. The simpler the stroke, the better. Make sure to not hit too closed of a stance on the shot either, that will prevent natural and easy shoulder rotation.
     
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  8. panache5

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    practice lots of it..... it's funny how alot of people think when they switch to a 2hb they think there backhand is gonna get 10x better. Switch to a extreme eastern or try to. You get alot of spin, playing with cont. is not only for your wrist, it's also alot harder to hit low shots or slices.
     
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    I never expected it to get that much better, I just find the 2HBH a bit easier to execute on a regular basis and it's could be useful in really long baseline rallies. And I do use a SW backhand, but that's very hard to time, and hitting anything below my chest is an inconvenience at best. If the 2HBH works for me after a while, then I'll make the switch, but it's really an experiment at this point. Just going on the other side to see if the grass is greener, ya know?
     
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  10. Falloutjr

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    That's what I do, and it tires out my left arm pretty fast, which is why i was thinking I was doing it too much. And it's not something I try to do, it's just natural when I hold the racquet in the 2HBH position. I remember my old coach telling me about how Roddick's arms are pretty straight on his 2HBH before I was thinking about switching, so I went along with that.
     
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  11. Limpinhitter

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    Think of it as a left handed golf swing. You have to rotate your entire upper body from hips to shoulders together, non just shoulders, and you have to use your legs to do it.

    Tom Purtzer is widely regarded as having one of the most perfect golf swings ever. Notice how he rotates back and forth, and how he drives with his legs to do it. This leg drive is a universal characteristic of upper body rotation in any sport like golf, baseball, tennis, and what allows you to rotate your upper body like a cylinder. The main difference from a 2hb is that your spine angle won't be so far forward.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk2Gi2B5ets&feature=related
     
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  12. darthpwner

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    Don't copy Roddick's backhand. Copy Safin or Nalbandian.
     
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  13. panache5

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    Low balls I never really got the concept with, it made me so mad I wanted to quit on a 1hbh until my coach fed me low balls for one hour straight to my backhand, and after that hour I've learn so much. Bend you knees!!!! Shortback swing and open stance on some shots you can't get to in time, If the ball is moving slow enough, turn them shoulders and whip at that mofo. Eye always on the ball, I know it's been said alot but it's not always about the eyes it about concentration. Good luck

    Oh yeah try no slicing for a while it'll improve your backhand that much better.
     
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  14. BevelDevil

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    Be very careful about choosing which arm is straight or bent, because it matters.

    If you're coming from a 1hbh, then you are used to using your bottom hand as the "dominant" hand. It makes sense, then, that if you switch to a 2hbh, your bottom hand should still be the dominant hand.

    Thus, transition would probably be easier if you didn't think of a backhand as a "left-handed forehand", but rather a 1hbh with an extra hand for support.

    The 2hbh that best matches the 1hbh in this regard is the one where both arms are straight at contact. Agassi and Safin fall into this group, and Agassi has said that he always thought of his backhand as a right-handed shot.

    So I would recommend doing this for the ease of transition.


    Keep in mind that Roddick keeps his right arm bent and left arm straight. This is more of a left-handed shot.

    John Yandell had a great article on the different 2hbh variations of straight and bent. I can't find it anymore, though :(


    Also, check out this recent thread on the straight/straight 2hbh. I posted about how to generate power with it. It may apply to you if you use straight/straight.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=345522


    BTW, I hope you figure out how to hit low/medium balls with your sw1hbh instead of switching. Where is your index knuckle on that shot?
     
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  15. Falloutjr

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    Well the low balls I tend to slice back if they're lower than my waist. My backhand is usually a pretty good shot, I just lost confidence in it there for a while, thought I'd try something new for a bit. Still, it'll be useful to know how to hit a 2HBH in the event that I really do decide to change or if someone ever asks me how to hit a 2HBH.

    Also, slicing is just a part of my game. I slice lots of backhands just because my slice is very good, it forces so many errors and gives me an easy transition to the net. I remember a time when I didn't use my slice much, and my topspin backhand was great, but I have definitely gotten better by adding it to my game more. Sometimes when I'm struggling to do something I'll change to something else like S&V or C&C, but I should try to have more confidence in my game.

    EDIT: I know, I'm wishy-washy. Bear with me lol.
     
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  16. Limpinhitter

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    There are many players I would model my 2hb after before Roddick. Nalbandian, Safin even Mardy Fish have much better, more natural, strokes than Roddick.
     
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  17. federalprassi

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    agreed, I personally use a 1HBH because its harder and more gratifying, the feeling when you hit a perfectly time bh is well you know that feeling.:)
     
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  18. Winky

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    I'm currently changing from 1HBH to 2HBH. It's hard! I have to concentrate on my left side (I'm right-handed) and bring that hand and arm into play. The 2H is really a completely different stroke than the 1H. Think of it like you're learning a 3rd stroke.

    However, when I'm on with my 2H, I actually hit it more consistently than my forehand.
     
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