Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by drhopz, Aug 31, 2007.
When you use a continental grip, it tends to slice. What is the problem?
Its usually the awkward wrist position. Trying to serve paddy cake with a continental is very difficult and requires the wrist to be in a funky position that tends to slice. It also happens a lot when you arm the ball. You need to relax.
Practice dribbling the ball around too, that helps your wrist.
The angle of the racquet which you correctly identified as producing the slice action is also the very element that produces the maximum available racquet head speed for a flatter serve (with the appropriate amount of spin still necessary for a high velocity serve to still land in), as well as creating the necessary racquet orientation for additional serves. (Hybrid, topspin and kick.)
The difference is the swing path. Certainly, a player who has served facing the net with the rudementary eastern forehand grip, (waiter position), will slice essentially every serve way out wide if they don't adjust their swing path and body position. (This is why it is not JUST a grip change when a player adopts the more advanced continental grip after learning to serve with the more elementary eastern forehand grip.)
If you stay more sideways and allow your forearm to pronate, you can hit an exceptional flatter serve.
Stay with the continental grip and you will eventually discover a better serve.
depends where you throw the ball. infront is usually more for a flat serve. and behind for a kick.
pronate your forearm right before contact so that the face of the racket facing the ball. This allows for better acceleration.
Just swing like you are going to hit the ball with your frame and then pronate right before contact.
Pretty much what I was going to say. Most likely, you are standing facing the court instead of being somewhat parallel to the baseline when you are using a continental grip. When you hit a ball (provided that you are using a continental gip) and you are facing towards your opponent, you will have a slice effect. You'll hit a flatter serve if you stand sideways.
Thanks, I have an american twist w/ semi-western. I'm trying to get a fundamental serve with pronation.
when you say sideways, do you mean perpendicular to the baseline? i'm confused when you say parallel to baseline because i'm picturing an open stance along the baseline.
i meant perpendicular sorry.
Hi David, I would like to know more about your books and writing. Would you email me at Claiborne dot mize at G mail.
Is there a progression for teaching the continental serve while breaking someone from the Eastern forehand. Would you teach the hands first? Then the feet etc.
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David, you record as a high school coach is almost unbelievable. What do you attribute such high success. I too teach high school kids. Most of mine have never picked up a racquet till 9th or 10th grade. Are your kids early adopters?
You should call that what is really is..a frying pan serve. No great servers serve this way. The easiest way to learn to hit the continental serve is to practice just hitting the ball standing sideways, no jumping, no big motion...just toss the ball and thwack it over the net. Once you get the feel of it, then you start doing a full serve motion. Otherwise, I've seen guys launching the ball into the parking lot because they are hitting the side of the frame and they think it's their motion or something....when they haven't learned pronation yet.
I am coming to the conclusion that I shouldn't even begin to teach anything about the serve till they are comfortable hitting with the C grip. It may take more time, but shortens the time in the long run.
I don't think teaching them to hit continental forehands is necessary and it may screw up their actual forehand. Bouncing the ball with a continental and then turning that same motion vertical should be the first step. There are a few good youtube videos on this. Forget racquet drop, knee bend, etc, just learn to throw the ball up in the air and whack it over the net using a continental and pronation.
I would suggest to talk to a uspta pro about grips
You cannot pronate with a semi-western grip
Dave Smith will probably not see any of your posts in this old thread. Don´t thing that he has used the Tennismastery member name since 2008. Try replying to one of his more recent posts using his newer username:
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