Cool video Brad

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  1. Lindsay

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    Check out MSN.com main page. Video highlights on the left show a cool video of Deiton Baughman. Congrats on the good press.
     
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  2. hunter

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    agreed...nice
     
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    Nice!

    Happy for you Brad!!!!

    Nice piece.

    Good luck to you always!
     
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    thanx will keep striving for the top!
     
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    Hey Brad. Are you putting the kid into any national tournaments just to get an idea where his training is taking him? I have not seen the kid since Eddie Herr, would be interesting to see him compete in 14's or 16's on a national level.
     
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  6. SoCal10s

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    congrats Brad.. guess who just got put into every B14s crosshairs this weekend.. haha no problem at all if he has the goods... it's time to prove it now baby..it's show me time... I hope he can do it... good luck and see you at the trophy's presentation... I feel it's the toughest sectional division ...
     
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    whatever he decides, is what's gonna happen, Hes planning a few more juniors but will continue to enter mens opens also. he plans his own schedule but the goal is to stay out of the juniors as much as possible. I think he said he wants to return to eddie hurr or the orange bowl
     
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    yah its looking tough ,but he may be playing a one hand backhand make it even tougher.
     
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  9. SoCal10s

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    man ,don't do that **** now,tell him to do what ever it takes to win this tournament.. no excuses if he loses.. gotta handle the pressures now and get used to it , don't be like others and run away.. I want to see him win baby win.
     
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    Great to see upcoming talent. Feel free to update us on his progress!
     
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    Brad: Very nice article/video.
    Good luck to your family.
     
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    Cool video! It's nice to finally see and meet the man behind the screen name who post here on TW. I don't agree with everything you post (on TW) but now, I see what you're all about and commend you for how you're bringing up your son.
     
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    nice video.. congrats thus far and good luck in the future
     
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  14. 10isRocs

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    Who is he training with at Palisades?
     
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    Bradley, Bradley, Bradley.....you have out done yourself this time! So the 'plan' after losing to the little Stefan (Kozlov) and the big Stefan (Risager) was to "enter men's opens and stay out of the juniors as much as possible".

    If you can't beat either a tiny counter puncher or a stronger barely ranked boy, the obvious thing to do is to avoid the juniors! You guys are straight out of the tennis dad's hall of fame play book.

    The "best ball striker in the world at his age" from the local coach was a great touch I must say. Did he borrow that from Rick Macci? I am losing count of all the "best whatevers at their ages" tennis kids.

    Dodge ball used to be my favorite game as a youngster also. Keep fooling them as long as you can my man!
     
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  16. BradBaughman

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    Thanx will keep it up on the upbringing, next is to get him to completely agree to a coach solo wont do it to much longer
     
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  17. tenniscrazed

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    I don't agree with a whole lot of what BB posts. And he's certainly not fooling a whole lot of people that I'm aware of. But give the guy and his kid their 15 minutes.
     
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    Harsh-

    Hey it was a nice video. Yah "the best ball striker in the world at his age" comment was way over the top, but the reporter seem to be the realist and kept prodding the dad and the kid about what he is going to do if it doesn't work out.

    I don't think anyone was being fooled. If he can get some more sponsors or some type of exposure that leads to funding I don't see what is the problem. The family is living in a trailier- give them a break.
     
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    Wow Great Video. I gotta give you props for sacrificing so much for your son's benefit. I really hope everything works out well for him.
     
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    If you're going to quote, quote accurately. Neeter's quote was "for his age he could be one of the best ball strikers in the world." There was never a claim that he was the superlative striker. Of course, you love to incite. Probably a good thing to never reveal who you are - I'd take Brad over you all day long in the physical confrontation you probably deserve.
     
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    Yes, I do love to incite...phoney baloneys like Brad. Sincere posters like momtogriff and many others, I have sincere conversations with.

    I don't like BSers like Brad. I don't like guys who say they and no one else know how to raise world class tennis players when they never have. I don't like guys who call American parents and kids weak. I don't like tennis dads like Brad who play games like dodging top juniors, playing up against low ranked older kids, and playing men's opens to avoid the tournament losses. I don't like guys who take shots at hard working basketball boys saying they are not smart enough for tennis. I don't like guys who say Stefan Kozlov is lying about his age after he crushed his son.

    I will continue to post my frank opinions and call BS when I see it. If you don't like it, I don't really care.
     
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  22. Kostas

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    I actually disagree with you.

    Even if you put the exact quote out there:

    "for his age he could be one of the best ball strikers in the world."

    In my opinion that is indeed a claim that he is a "superlative" striker. You don't say stuff like that unless you intend to imply that is the case. He said "could be one of the best in the world" - meaning at this present time. How could you possibly interpret that otherwise?
     
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  23. 10isDad

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    Easy. The inclusion of "could be" and "one of the best". TCFLA made it sound as if Neeter said Deiton is the (as in the pronunciation "thee") world's best ball striker for his age. Jon did no such thing. In my opinion "could be one of the best" is a rather non-commital statement.
     
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    ^^^^^^ Guys, gals, mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters. Turn the sound off, then watch the video very carefully. Now what do you see @ 3 sec. then again @ 8 sec. forget the dialog.

    Let BB have his 15 minutes.
     
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  26. tenniscrazed

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    He's playing somewhere this weekend. Look at posts #6, #7,#8, and #9. I think I read it was a 14s too.
     
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    The bottom line is that if the child develops in to a world class player and can be well-adjusted to life then all is good. Otherwise, the issues down the road might be bumpy.
     
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    This guy, Richard Willams, that idiot and BSer dodged the whole junior arena and his girls turned out okay! I know you'll say that they dominated the 12's and I've checked and had Deiton played more he was domination So Cal every time he entered a tourney. I think guys like Mr. Baughman/Mr. Williams have a different way of looking at things and make so "called" coaches like you, very insecure. There's no denying that Deiton has very clean strokes, he flows, the problem with you is your so blinded by jealousy you bash a young kid you dont even know, nor have you ever seen him play in person, and heresay is never ever allowed in a court of law. I know for a fact that within a week of returning from Eddie Herr Deiton had a minor foot operation on both feet, but you never heard Mr. B make that as an excuse, did you?

    Stop being so bitter TCF, not good for your health! =]
     
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  29. SoCal10s

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    ease up and relax

    some of you posters need to ease up on Brad.. he's doing the best he can to raise his kid .. he puts his life out there for people to see,criticize,feel sorry for,what ever, it's out there in the open.. no one is gonna lie about being in gangs,getting kicked out of school,being an under-educated boxer,living in a trailer park,and poor.. his kid seems like he's going to make a better life than what his dad made,so what ever Brad did/does is working.. a lot of people say if you raise your kid and he/she become more successful than you were,you did a good job.. so I see Brad as doing a great job with his Deiton.. if nothing else,Deiton will be going to college and he's already educating himself more than what his dad did,and if he happens to hit a good tennis ball,that's icing on the cake..

    and some people who criticized Deiton for feeling like he owes it to his parents to pay-back,I don't see anything wrong with that,Michael Chang felt the same way and a ton of great professional athletes have always said that they want to go pro to buy their mom her dream house ect.. and no one says that is bad...

    tennis people are just spoiled and grew up rich or well off,this is not that case.. the poor of the world always want to give back to their parents,teachers,community,ect.. when they reach a pinnacle of their success.. the lucky, rich ones, hardly ever think to share their wealth.. just different between the two..
     
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  30. lightning.lu10

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    after watching the video and the training regimen, sadly I see this set up as a classic case of burnout. The kid is already waking at 6:30 to do 90 minutes of conditioning daily, which is absurd for a 12 year old. Especially if when he starts to turn 15-16 and he starts losing games, I can see the kid mentally just wearing out. Practicing everyday is one thing, waking at 6:30 to condition is another. There are some sports where that is necessary at such a young age, like gymnastics, but tennis is not one of them.
     
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    Non-commital in what respect? Jeeze...

    Saying something like "for his age he is an excellent ball striker" is non-commital. Saying he could be one of the best in the world directly implies a comparison to the best players in his age group in THE WORLD. You can split hairs all you want but the implied notion there is clear whether you choose to see it or not.
     
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    Seems hard to go on your own. Why hasn't the kid linked up with a USTA Training Center, Bollettieri, Evert, Newcomb or some other such training center?
     
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    I guess we have a difference of opinion. I feel "could be" can be intrepreted several ways. It can imply a future state. It can imply a modicum of doubt. You feel Neeter's "implied notion" is clear. I don't. Besides, a great ball striker does not necessarily a great tennis player make.

    I like to watch Diners, Drive-ins & Dives on Food TV. Guy, the host, uses "could be one of the best" fairly often. He never says something is hands down the best. He says things like (paraphrase): that pastrami could be one of the best I've ever tasted. He's giving himself some wiggle room.

    Google "could be one of the best" and you'll get millions of hits. Examples:

    "Troy at Arkansas State: This could be one of the best games this season in the Sun Belt." In this situation, the game had not even occurred. It was a statement of potential.

    "Chichester's city centre could be one of the 'best areas in Europe'."

    "Mistress of the Revolution could be one of the best reads of the year!"

    "Changing careers could be one of the best decisions you make in your life. It may also be one of the more difficult things you will do."

    "I thought he could be one of the best climbers in the world. There's no way now."

    "I have high hopes for Barack - he could be one of the best presidents the country has ever had. But that is conditional..."
     
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    He is a very good ball striker. He does have a very "clean" stroke pattern. However, if you look at all of his videos very carefully and objectively (very important) objectively. You will see some tendencies that do not equate to "world class".

    Brad as you read this I'm not saying he isn't a good player, nor am I saying he won't be a solid D2 maybe lower level D1 player. Nor am I saying you aren't a good dad. However, there are tendencies that indicate he won't be world class. I'm not going to be accused of "bashing", "criticizing" or inciting argument so don't ask what the tendencies are.

    However, it's all good, because he can have a good life otherwise. There are zillions of athletes that leveraged their sport to a successful career.

    Good luck and good job.
     
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  35. downthewall

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    seems like this video has given more headache than anticipated.
     
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    The video clips do not jump out at me either. But they were very short, and I don't know if you can tell a whole lot from it.

    Deit's record in Socal 12s don't lie though. He's also one of the top 8th grade players on tennisrecruiting.net (#3 in California, #16 in the nation)...for those of us looking up, we know how hard of an achievement that is...

    I'd cut him some slack. He is "world class" at his age, by any definition, I think.
     
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    USTA at Carson is full of ****... the coaches come and go and USTA chooses whichever kid they see with "most potential" this 'most potential' is a very subjective thing and so far,their choices are not looking too good.. there are kids who go there and get free coaching and everything who,IMO,don't deserve all those freebies that USTA gives them.. it's clearly not a fair deal across the board.. go look for yourself... Brad has his own ideas...
     
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    Again you're simply splitting hairs. I'm actually tired of arguing this so I'll make this post and allow you to have the last word.

    There are clearly two type of "could be" statements: Those that are said en leiu of proof out of lack of certainty and those said as a prognostication about future potentional. This was certainly the former due to the inclusion of "for his age" in the statement. He wasn't speculating that he has the potentional to be one of the best ball strikers at some point in the future based on his current talent and training. He was stating that he is so immensely talented that it's possible that at his current age (meaning right now) he could be one of the best in the world. Look I don't have anything against the sensationalizing of the kid for the purposes of this article and his exposure, but don't pretend like it's not there.

    I actually feel bad that I'm arguing these semantics with you because it feels like I'm beating up on the kid when that really isn't my intention. I just think it's a bit disingenuious to try to marginalize a statement that was clearly (imo) intended to promote the kid's talent.
     
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  39. tenniscrazed

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    Slack cut. But keep these names in mind as well (Leo Rosenberg, Connor Biller, Tyler Tarnasky, Anderson Reed, Jordan Abergale). They were all top in their age groups (were they world class, maybe, maybe not) the point is tennis is too random to predict with any certainty a potential or even current world class player at that age.

    For that matter, there is a story out that says that nobody wanted to play practice matches against Sampras because he couldn't keep more than 5 balls in the court at that age.
     
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    The bottom line is that this boy comes across as a phenomenal kid. That should be kept separate from anyone's opinion on his tennis abilities.

    I do apologize for letting my displeasure with Brad's past posts pollute this thread. There are other threads better suited to sparring with him.

    In the end the young guy will eventually have to play the top boys in his age groups from around the world, and the results will be what they are.

    But he is quite obviously a great kid, so as tenniscrazed admonished me...lets let him enjoy his time in the sun and wish him luck.
     
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    ^^ No admonishment intended. I do agree, when the day is done all that remain in the game will have to play each other at some point. I don't think there is any one answer to the final table. Each player, family, coaches carve their own path.

    Bollietierri believes in the academy system, other coaches do not. Spaniards believe in a clay court approach, yet a majority of junior and professional events are on hard court. Brad doesn't believe it helps his son to play events in his age group. Right or wrong is immaterial the question is, will it get him to the final table. Maybe, maybe not.
     
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    Very true. I like what Brad has done from a standpoint of hard work and values and training on clay, etc.
     
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    Google basic evaluations for an athlete. Look at the videos and see if he or any other child for that matter fits into them. If they do, then it's a start. If not then... Well you know what comes next.

    Best wishes
     
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    Oh I agree on that score completely. In past posts I outlined the brutal evaluation and gave my reasons for predicting a D-2 type player being much more likely as the ceiling, based on what I saw in videos and what a coach who saw the Eddie Herr matches told me.

    But this thread was to congratulate them on the video coverage, so I should have left well enough alone.
     
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    How many of the top 25 tennis players in an early age group, like 13 year olds, end up in Division II? I agree that many top athletes in any sport at that young of an age do not maintain their relative standing for the next 6 years. But I wonder how much precedent there is for dropping all the way to Division II.

    If you cannot cite any examples that are not based on major injuries along the way, it is a shaky prediction.
     
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  46. tenniscrazed

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    First I'm not bashing the kid, his dad or anyone else. Just to clarify to all posting on this future of mens tennis. The kids' just under 600 on the USTA National 14s. Where on earth do you get top 25. Certainly not the USTA, ITF, COSAT, ETA. Maybe TRN 2014's or 2015's. Regretfully, I don't think the TRN ranking gets you into any events. Even the TRN results reveal low opponent quality wins, and losses to equal or higher quality opponents. Even, further he's like 5-7 against lesser stars. That's a 40% hit ratio against lesser quality opponents (hardly worth all this dialog).
     
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    Blue Chip Recruit

    Not familiar with the formula(s) on "Tennis Recruiting", but Deiton has a blue chip standing as of right now, which in the scheme of things would certainly qualify him for Division 1 schools if he were 17-18 years. This is all relative of course, don't know what the future holds for him, but if he maintains his blue chip standing througout his junior career, then certainly some D-1 school will pick him up.
     
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    Hey Brad, on the most recent youtube red clay videos who is Deiton training with?
     
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    Hes hitting with a kid named Danny Moss , He plays at Pepperdine and i believe he was a top junior around So Cal ,nice kid
     
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    This is an easy one. Division 1 tennis recruits more foreign players than American players....the percentage is getting greater every year.

    A blue chip at 13 on TRN is meaningless as far as D-1 tennis is concerned. And it will be even less of a factor 5 years from now when he turns 18. Heck 5 years from now at the current rate of explosion of great foreign tennis kids, only a handful of American kids will be D-1 players. It may even be tough to land a D-2 spot depending if these other countries keep going nuts producing tennis talent. The wave of foreign kids is growing like a tidal wave.

    http://www.itatennis.com/AboutITA/News/LikeinthePros_ForeignPlayersAceCollegeTennis.htm
     
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