Could Djokovic hypothetically become a Tier 1 great?

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  1. beast of mallorca

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    It's more exciting that way, don't you agree. Murray has to get the upper hand on Djoker tho' to make it more competitive and have more slice of the GS pie. It appears that he has it against Roger now, and Rafa is really questionable if he will ever get back to where he was. There's no other 4th wheel in the near horizon. So, I like Murray to get there too.
     
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    LMAO you cracked me up with that last one.
     
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    I assure you, Roger will never let him.

    ... umm ... However, for that they have to meet in a SF, so they have to be drawn in the same half.
     
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    Olderer and Oldal?

    LMAO!

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  5. Sentinel

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    Tier 1: ROSOL



    The rest is subjective.
     
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  6. 5555

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    There is no comparison between Emerson and Djokovic. Emerson won all 12 slams before Open Era.

    Can you name one player who won 12+ slams in Open Era and is not considered a Tier 1 great?
     
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  7. Prisoner of Birth

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    Sampras :)
     
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  8. TheNatural

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    If he wants to join Sampras in tier 1 he needs to be as dominant as Sampras by winning 175% of the slams as the next best in his era. He will need 30 slams if Fed remains on 17. He only needs to win every slam for the next 6 years. If anyone can do it Cvac can! :)
     
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  9. Hodgey20

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    Haha absolutley Rosol is tier 1 by himself
     
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    Can you provide a reliable source which says that most tennis historians do not consider Sampras an Tier 1 great?
     
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    5555 you really a terminator. when you enter the thread you come to terminate all discussion.
     
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    In slams?? Oh sure, only a dozen to go :???::)
     
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  13. Prisoner of Birth

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    I can, because people only possibly consider him a Tier 1 great. Very few, if any, would consider him an Tier 1 great.
     
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    I never understand these comparisons. There is a huge difference in being the best FOR YOUR TIME, versus a head to head.

    It's like in boxing, no one would think Jack Dempsey could last with anyone in the top ten of the 70's, but that doesn't mean he wasn't GREAT FOR HIS TIME.

    Does anyone really think Rod Laver could beat Novak? Laver was great FOR HIS TIME, less competition, less of a player pool, and serving and volleying all night against any of the modern guys? No way.

    I believe Fed, Novak, Nadal, would wipe out the Conners, Borgs, Mac's in head to heads, and do it easy.
     
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    Why don't you go to the "former pro player talk" forum and speak your mind to the old-timers. Do it on your own peril.
     
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  16. Gonzo_style

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    TMF,
    I guess you're probably in war with them :)
     
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  17. TMF

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    Yep. And I'm being outnumbered.
     
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  18. Prisoner of Birth

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    They all know little-man Laver is only about as good as Ferrer, if that, if they were to play each other. They just can't accept it.
     
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    Well considering I rate Nadal as tier 1, I would put Djokovic there if he gets to 10 slams.
     
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  20. borg number one

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    He needs to do quite a bit more to be a Tier 1 great, and winning more Wimbledons. His clay results have not been outstanding either. I think a lot of players would trouble Djokovic at Wimbledon and the French Open especially.
     
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  21. veroniquem

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    There is no consensus as to what would constitute "tier 1" so those discussions are pointless.
     
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  22. beast of mallorca

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    To be honest, do you even doubt that he's not getting there ?
     
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  23. Prisoner of Birth

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    I very much doubt it. He's not even halfway there. And if Sampras is tier 1, Federer has to be the undisputed GOAT, there's no two ways about that.
     
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  24. borg number one

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    He's in the middle of his best years seemingly, but I do think he's got significant work to do. There have been so many outstanding players in tennis. He's definitely a much improved player, but he'll have some challenges ahead.
     
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  25. beast of mallorca

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    Hey POB, what's this obsession about the Greatest this, Greatest that ? It's is a fact that Federer is the most accomplished male tennis player of all time. Why is there a need on your part to make everybody believe that he is the greatest for this Slam and that Slam. Those things can NEVER be proven, because then you have to put everybody on the same period and play with one another. And not even Clarky can do that.....:twisted:
     
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  26. Prisoner of Birth

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    You call it an obsession. I call it a discussion :twisted: This is a place to discuss, right?
     
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  27. beast of mallorca

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    I know a lot can change. But with the way he's playing for the past 2 yrs, I can not doubt he's abilities even if I want to. (I really want to, for the sake of Rafa and Murray.) He's scary good.
     
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  28. beast of mallorca

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    Alright, I'll give you that. Carry on mannn.
     
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  29. sandiegoman

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    Federer would smoke Laver any day. Laver's racquet would probably break by the time he's finished lol
     
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    You guys are in big trouble. :)
     
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  31. 5555

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    Can you provide a reliable source which says that most tennis historians do not consider Sampras a Tier 1 great?
     
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  32. Gonzo_style

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    He's obsessed with GOAT discussions and one player
     
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    Can you provide a reliable source which says that most tennis historians do not consider Sampras a Tier 1 great?
     
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    Are you a robot?
     
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    Nadal belongs in a "special tier", the one that has Lance Armstrong in there too.
     
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    Prisoner of Birth, I'm going to ask just one more time: can you provide a reliable source which says that most tennis historians do not consider Sampras a Tier 1 great?

    If you do not reply, you will lose the argument.
     
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  37. zagor

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    Not really fair since in that case he loses by default.
     
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    Why are you so obsessed with winning online arguments?

    Most people who post here have more important things to focus on in their lives. :)
     
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    can you provide reliable source he is obsessed with winning online arguments?
    if you don't provide a source you will lose the argument.
     
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    I will put it in simple words.

    Because he NEEDS to be right, in order to be able to feel important.

    Apparently, there is no other way for him.
     
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    I think he is already a tier one great, his 2011 season was one of the top 3 best calendar performances ever, his won 3 slams in a row, 13 consecutive semi-finals in grandslams, been world number One, been in top 3 for 4-5 consecutive years, won Aus open 3 consecutive times, beaten 2 Goat contenders (Fed,Nad) in multiple grandslam finals/semi-finals.

    He may not have 8,9 or 12 Slams, but his only going to win more and has already accomplished what maybe only 0.1% of all professional tennis have ever accomplished.
     
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    Yes, Djokovic could be a "great." For a simple reason, he's beaten guys who are talked about as GOAT of Fed and a GOAT of clay. Yes, fed's window has been winding down, but he was pretty much challenging him and winning matches during fed's prime and Nadal is pretty much in his age prime, minus his physical ailments. But he's beaten nadal before nadal had all the knee issues. So anyone who can take down these top two tier GOAT's deserve to be a GOAT himself.

    I have immense respect for Djokovic, but more so how he handled Nadal last year at Aussie open and beating him at Indian Wells and Sony Erricson as well as those clay court events. Djokovic is the real deal. He is more mentally strong than people give him. If he is down break point or even match point, he plays that same point as if he was up 40-0 and I would have to say with that courage you are mentally strong as any elite athlete can be.
     
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  44. Hodgey20

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    Absolutely CAN BE.. the real question is IS HE ALREADY

    I agree with Nickzors argument saying that he already is
     
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    For the rest of the majors, I would still go with Nadal as of now, but there's a lot of tennis left even before the French Open. As of now, I'd go with Nadal, with Djokovic having his best chance for his next major win at the U.S. Open. I also think that Federer will continue to challenge him at majors in 2013.
     
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  46. Relinquis

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    it's hard to see it happening... even hypothetically...

    He's a good age. Still has quite a few years before his movement will slow down and flexibility reduces.

    At 30+ years old he won't be winning anything, but that's nearly 5 years from now.
     
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  47. TMF

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    I notice many threads(not just his own) that he's involved with this same old win/lose arguments.
     
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    Updated. What is realistically physically required now to become a Tier 1 great? Slams/Masters/Finals?? and can he achieve it?
     
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    Anyone with a double-digit slam total is a tier 1 player, IMO. A FO win would boost his credentials.
     
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    Is it a fact or an opinion?
     

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