Could have I made it?

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  1. Tmano

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    Who thinks here on the board that with a early start as kid and adeguate training would have made to become a pro?

    Also who was almost there but for some reasons (injury, money, family issue, personal issue) could not make it
     
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  2. Sumo

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    No, and neither could you.
     
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    G and Q are no where near each other :(
     
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  4. r2473

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    I could have.

    But I much prefer offering advice to the pros via the TT message board.
     
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  5. Tmano

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    How do you know that? sure not........too tough
     
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    If I had lessons frmo a compentant pro from a young age then no doubt I could have.

    Also if I any intiative at all I could have played in the major leagues. But Im lazy and never worked at anything hard. Cal Ripken Sr. told me when I was 18 that I needed somebody to kick me in the @SS. I just moped around dropped out of college after a semester and jooined the Air Force.

    I dont have the height to be a modern day NFL tight but I could have easily been a Fullback that can catch passes out of the backfield.
     
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    I guess, I could have...
    I'm on naturally athletic side of things. I started competitively with one sport at age 19 and got to semi-pro level and national team member, with practicaly no formal coaching. I picked another sport (from scratch) at "young" age of 33, non-competitively, and by 36 I was already a teaching pro and member of national association. Now at 43, I'm about to be in the upper ranks...
     
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    to do that you need a ball machine that hits 110 mph
    You need to use it , A LOT
    Need great coaches
    You need to be genetical gifted
    and you need to play up in the Juniors
     
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    Were you the single best athlete in your area growing up?

    That's impressive. I'd love to know what sports.
     
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    I think any athlete who played junior high sports at the highest levels of his school, had good coaching, was interested in the game, AVOIDED injuries, could make the top 200 in ATP.
    Unfortunately, 90% of rising sports athletes get injured, sets them back a few months, which works out to be TRIPLE the setback of someone not injured.
    Coaching is easy to find. Athletes are easy to find. Interest is much tougher, but very few can overcome the injuries during the formulative years.
     
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    In other words, are you amongst the best 10 athletes of your junior high, were you interested in the commitment, were you willing to accept coaching, did you have the support from parents, and did you avoid injuries?
     
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    I never took a lesson or got coaching until I was 18. Got to top 50 in my section in the 18s and made my college DI team (middle of the A10, don't play anymore). I played basketball, baseball (pitcher), football (QB), skiing and soccer since I was 5 and started MMA/boxing a year ago and already competed in them (won 2 boxing and 2 mma fights). Had two rotator cuff surgeries and tore my distal bicep tendon last summer and needed surgery. Also have had 7 concussions so I'm legally brain damaged.

    Either I am athletically gifted or I am a freak athlete now because of all these sports. I was always naturally good at sports and pick them up quick. If I could go back in time, only focus on tennis, and receive top quality coaching then I might have a chance. Most of my game is based on using my athletic abilities to outrun, outlast, and outhit (overpower) my opponents. My serve would probably be weaker because I wouldn't be playing baseball and football. I might even be worse off.

    Also I have never been focused on tennis. It's not my favorite sport and I may perform worse when I don't have other competitive sports to distract me. I might even quit.

    So basically I have no clue if I'd even be better than I am now.
     
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    So, poster 12 certainly qualifies.
    I think I do also, but my first set of broken legs happenned when I was 16.
    Parents wanted me in academics.
    Tennis was sissy. I played football and basketball for my high school.
    No biggie. I got to try tennis for 4 years, windsurfing for 10, surfing for 10, waterski jumping for 8 tournaments, and snowboard and ski racing, besides kiteboard racing and fencing competitions.
     
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    Well, if you plan to go on with your life, you have to believe you are a capable person, at least as good as the better ones in life.
    I'd hate to go on in life knowing I was only as quick as a parapeligic, as smart as an idiot, as strong as the kid who get's sand kicked in his face, and as good looking as Yoda of StarWars....
     
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  17. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    No, not me, and I had every opportunity, early start, solid athleticism, good coaching, training squads, the whole deal.

    What I learned is that I had the talent to be an excellent hitting partner for anyone, a decent coach and a competitive open tournament player at a local and state level. I'm still a strong 5.0 at 46.

    In other words, a million miles from successful pro tennis on the tour!

    I was fortunate to train with a player who made the top 100 (high of 87, I think), won a couple of 250 tournaments and made the fourth round at Wimbledon, and he was just so much better at everything than I was it was comical.

    It was a blessing, really, because I had no illusions. Had I been in a different area, I might have persisted in ignorance and blown a few years tilting at the windmill, but fortunately I had a handy-dandy reality check across the net 3 nights a week.

    If I had any doubts at all, they would have been dashed when I lost to a 12 year old in the semi final of an 18s event. (6 -1 6 - 0)

    He went on to the top 20, but that's another story...
     
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    Who exactly? (especially curious about the 12 year old)
     
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    I could have but my love for the ladies and food were greater than my work ethic.
     
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    If I could have somehow avoided puberty, girls, booze, cars and had rich parents

    Yes, why not.
     
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    Sure; with an early start, the right training and dedication, 10 000 people could easily make it to top 100 ATP...why not?
     
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    Yes, but not at tennis.
     
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  23. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    12 year old was a fella named Richard Fromberg.. (I'm pretty old!)
     
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    Timbo thanks for that reality check, it is awesome to hear it from someone who actually had all of his ducks in a row.
     
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    a friend of mine who became italian champion I believe when he was 14( now is 38 ) could not make it becaue of too much pressure and stress.After he became champion he went to bollettieri and trained there for about two years til he could not handle it anymore.

    Now is coaching and not happy at all....however he still have really impressive shot and tecnique all though he never train.

    That made me think often times how hard it really is to go pro.
     
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  26. LeeD

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    You have to train.
    Lack of desire applied here. Nobody makes it without training. Once you get there, you don't need to train to stay up near your peak, but you go down quite a bit.
     
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    Well, I was the really skinny unathletic girl that was always picked last one the sports teams in So. Cal. Now at least I am always getting calls to play tennis, so although I know I wouldn't have made it as pro, at least I feel I have achieved something sportswise!!!
     
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    Haven't you heard? Tennis in California is pro level.
     
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    Maybe what you achieved sportswise is still being a really skinny unathletic girl. But everyone else got fat and you are now more attractive and get the calls to play tennis so people can look at you and try to hook it up.

    Thats the end of my shallow male chauvinist pig remarks.
     
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    Would I have made it? No. Even if I had the talent (which I don't), the training (which I didn't) I would have had to have the focus and drive...which I definitely don't. Still, I enjoy playing and always have. Maybe I picked the right path avoiding the burnout.
     
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    Sailing. Finn olympic singlehander was my main class. Learned in the old Yugoslavia, but was South African representative in my early 30'. Never really had a coach...
    Other sport is snowboarding. The "cheat" was that I ski raced a bit and was ski instructor before, so I transfered lots of that knowledge to the board.
     
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    Tennis wise- not a hope, I've got entirely the wrong body frame and my skill levels are nowhere near engrained enough.

    I have always wondered whether if I had kept up Rugby, whether I might have had a chance at the professional level.
    I started Rugby 2 years later than everyone else at 13, due to a change in schools. After a single lesson at school my PE teacher (also a coach at the local club) pulled me to one side and encouraged me to join the school squad. After a single school training session he asked me to coma along and play for the under 15's at the club. I played until 19 or so getting into the under 19's and the first team on occasions. I stopped playing at the time that the club gained semi pro status entering the 3rd tier of domestic rugby in England. Several guys who I played with (and was considered better than) went on to have decent 1st team semi pro careers with the club.
    I never really remember playing anyone who I genuinely thought was a better player than me (in my position).

    I've always wondered- If I kept playing, If I remained uninjured, if I had the right coaching, if I was spotted by the right people at the right time, Could I have made it??

    Impossible to answer, and more than likely- NO! but it doesn't stop me from thinking about it every so often.
     
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  33. max

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    Good post. I was a mediocre high school player, but I have kept playing, and I know I've gotten more from tennis than better players who hung up their racquets at age 20. It's GREAT to get calls to play! :)
     
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    You know there is no such thing in rugby!

    It's good to see another tennis/rugby player. We are a rare breed
    What position? I played prop all through college and grad school, so I'm not exactly built like a tennis player either.
    There are few things more fun than rugby.
     
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    Realistically, I couldn't have made it, but I certainly could have played college tennis with a little more training and starting a little earlier.

    I have a tennis build, I'm basically in the height and weight range of Djokovic and Murray. When I was younger, I could match or exceed a fair number of the top 100 in foot speed, but I lacked the eye-hand coordination to be a top player. I ended up doing track & field in college rather than tennis.
     
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    I like this thread of "I could have been a contender"
    I had it all except for the desire. I get distracted by lots of sports.
    Had the vision, hops, quickness, speed, throw factor, reaction times, toughness, the size of a Kolhshrieber, but no determination to make it in any ONE sport. Airheaded maybe.
    Head coach's came to our high school to watch me and one running back play, so the above was no bull. BUT, you need one track mind focused on ONE thing to make it, so no chance in reality for me.
     
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  37. DRII

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    Yea, you have could :confused:
     
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    based on my ability now, had i had me as a coach when i started, then yeah I'm pretty confident I would have gotten some ATP points.
     
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    That's pretty much it.

    I bought my "One-way Ticket to Palookaville" and arrived safe and sound..........
     
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    I find it kind of insulting that people would think that almost anyone could compete at the pro level if they just started earlier and had better coaching. You have no idea what it takes, and you'll never know.

    Think about it. There are top college players out there who won't ever have a sniff of ever playing in the main draw of an ATP event much less 'make it' as a pro. These are incredible athletes who have been playing since very young and have had great coaching all along and the experience that comes with competing at an elite level since the age of 12. What could they have done differently to make that jump? What makes you think that you could do better?
     
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  41. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    ^^^^^

    Exactly.

    I honestly don't know if the guys who are saying they 'or anyone else' could have made the tour if they only tried are joking or if they really believe it.

    must be a lot more talented than me!
     
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    For the last two posters....
    Are you saying that NOBODY but the current pros could have made it? If so, you do not know sports at all. INJURY is the no. ONE reason for someone not making it.
    Yes, it starts with superior athleticism. I'd think being a two sport varsity player in basketball and football in high school might be close. How about....first semester fencing, made the final 7 in Novice competition at StanfordU, over 400 entries, that allowed for fourth semester fencers? That's up to ONE FOURTH as much fencing experience....7th overall.
    How about? Surfing, windsurfing, motocross, all that stuff.
    Physical attributes is only ONE of possibly a dozen factors, you must know that. The mental game is every bit as important, and the desire aspect needs an equal amount of enthusiam. Most of all, determination and tunnel minded one track focus.
    Just because YOU couldn't make it, doesn't mean every other poster on here never had a chance of making it. Now making it, and having the chance, are two different animals. None of us has made it, and neither has anyone currently posting. Some of us (TW Posters) are TRYING to make it.
     
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  43. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    no, Lee, 'not being good enough' is the number one reason!

    Injury plays a massive role, no question, but talent identification programs find hundreds of people with all the physical potential to 'make it' in a range of professional sports.

    less than 5% of those so indentified go on to make careers out of it. The rest don't all get injured. Sure, some of them lack the mental makeup (Tomic, anyone?) or the drive, but most of them just aren't good enough.

    of the current posters, only Felip Peliwo stands a genuine chance (with the exception of some of the kids who are shooting for College, I guess, but if they really had the talent they would be making waves at ITF level by now)

    With the greatest respect to tonlars, he is the best of the rest, it seems, and has made a genuine effort to get an ATP point without succeeding (yet)

    So, yes, actually, I AM saying that only the people who HAVE made it COULD have made it, whatever the reason..
     
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    That's how I see it too.

    I was lucky enough to grow up with some amazing players, as well as getting to know others as an adult. Credentials like being All Americans, All ACC, US jr champs, Spanish futures player, whatever, but none had more than a .500 futures record and the highest got to just under 300. But each one of these guys was an unreal athlete. It didn't matter the sport, you knew when they were on the field.

    Anyone remember the show Pros vs. Joes? I loved seeing guys who were in their 20s thinking they could have made it and then being completely dominated by retired pros that stopped training years before.
     
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  45. The Meat

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    I could have made it, but I chose not to.

    I'm the potential grandslam champion that the tennis world deserves, but not the one that it needs right now. :)

    But in all seriousness, I really don't think a lot of us could make it big even with years of training.
     
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    Just out of curiousity when talking about making it as a pro, are people talking top 1000, top 100, top 10?
     
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    There are hundreds of thousands of two sport athletes every year........in the US alone. That achievement means literally nothing. For the record I also played 2 sports.

    With respect to your other sports. You've done we'll with them, but you were competitive many years ago. Even today they are not 1st tier sports that draw the best athletes.
     
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  48. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    this isn't relevant, really but I thought I would share it here.

    Do you guys have a reality show called 'Biggest Loser'?

    It's a hideous thing, actually.

    Anyway, some years ago there was a thing called 'celebrity biggest loser'

    So, long story short, one of the contestants was a girl who had been an olympic track athlete before switching to Field Hockey and making the Olympic team for that, too.

    Magic moment was one of these 'personal trainers' yelling technical advice at her while she was running so she could 'get more power'. Bear in mind, this trainer person is famous for being, well, 'fit'. Never been an athlete of any sort, let alone to the level of this contestant.

    The former athlete's head snapped round and she looked like she was going to lose it, but nothing happened.

    anyway, fast forward to the final episode where the producers set up a 200m race between the trainer and the (now somewhat lighter, admittedly) contestant.

    was very funny to watch the contestant just glide off into the distance and win by half the length of the straight while the trainer ran like the energiser bunny but seemed to be going up and down in the one spot by comparison. (maybe she was generating 'more power'!)

    talent vs training right there, guess who won?
     
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    Talent vs training.... good one.
    Talent needs to be not only fit, but IN training.
    Without the talent, not only fit, but superior training to compete.
    Some guys cruise to a 1:50 half mile, while other's, still athletic and fit, barely crack 2:05's. Both have enough talent for tennis, in the mid range running dept.
    Some guys kill at 10,000, but die right afterwards, while other's can kill for another two hours, or however many is needed.
    That could be determination.
    Hand eye is more difficult to measure. Soccer being one sport that doesn't help there. Baseball usually does, football if you handle the ball, basketball if you play man to man coverage and handle the ball.
    But, how to identify the ones who can, and give them the training? And how to measure desire, determination, focus, and heart?
     
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    Ive seen Paul Goldstein and Spadea play. I could have been better than those guys, if I had the drive and worked at it.

    When Tiexera played against my baseball tem in 97 i was a better hitter than he was. He took the juice and worked at getting better. I didnt.

    But talent wise I believe I had enough to be able to hit major league pitching good enough to play in the league.
     
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