Could Sampras or Agassi make it to a major final now?

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  1. vicnan

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    Clijsters came back from retirement and motherhood and won the US Open.

    Now, Henin has come back after two years and lost the Australian Open final in 3 sets to Serena.

    Some people have said that this is indicative of the WTA tour's lack of depth. Of course, some have said that it is because both are quality players who retired prematurely to begin with.

    But couldn't the same thing happen in the men's tour if Sampras or Agassi were to make a comeback, the depth of the tour notwithstanding?

    Anyhow, this is just a hypothetical as both men as almost surely not going to make a come back.
     
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  2. kOaMaster

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    I don't think so.
    sampras and agassi are way too old. henin and clijsters are both younger than federer. and agassi & sampras did not retire in the top5 but somewhere outside, already from their top performances.
    clijsters did retire on 5(?), henin as number one...
     
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  3. PSNELKE

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    maybe the sampras of the 90s
    but with nearly 40 years?!
    no way:):)
     
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  4. TMF

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    In a fantasy world, yes they can.
     
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  5. dropserve

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    No, only because of the age.
     
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  6. Ledigs

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    No way. Henin and clijsters are younger than fed. On another topic murray has a Girly grunt
     
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    Also you have to remember that Henin and Clijsters retired when they were still in top form. And they returned to women's tennis. The only consistently good players who consistently win can be counted on one hand right now. Sampras and Agassi are too old and would not beat Cilic, DelPo, Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, or anyone pretty much.
     
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    stupid question.... how old are Juju and KIm?

    ps: but some how the mighty dork tmf thinks there is reason to take sides here...
     
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  9. TMF

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    It's a stupid question alright.

    ps: but somhow the dorky Gorecki thinks there is a reason to state the obvious...
     
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  10. joeri888

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    Justine and Kim retired much younger, in the prime of their careers. Pete and esp. Agassi weren't winning Slams in 2004 or 2005.
     
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  11. ALten1

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    A better question is where do you think each would rank if they tried to come back.
     
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  12. TMF

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    hahahaha. Another question is would they be an unranked player at the GS event..:)
     
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  13. Gorecki

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    of course not. dont you know tennis was invented by the mighty fed?

    BUT REMEBER ME AGAIN WHO WAS THE SECOND BIGGEST THREAT TO THE FIRST PART OF FEDERETE'S CAREER? OH.. RIGHT... A 30+ YEAR OLD CRIPLLED AND CIATIC AGASSI...

    :oops:
     
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  14. ALten1

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    Both closing in on 40...no way they could do it. They probably couldn't even earn some type of exemption or win a qualifier. And Sampras is my favorite player.
     
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    Not feeling it to be likely. Sampras at wimbledon or the US could maybe push through to the third or fourth round..Agassi maybe as well. But I will take most of the top 20 over them atm.
     
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  16. Justdoit10

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    Agassi could prob do it, but he would need a serious amount of crystal meth.
     
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  17. TMF

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    Before having them on the tour, let them test out against Serena first.
     
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  18. TMF

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    POINTLESS! The op is talking about now, not some 10 years ago.:oops:
     
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    Anyone near 40 posting? I say they wouldn't get out of first rd especially agassi.
     
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    POINTLESS! the op posted a absurd question about the chances of a return of a man who retired at 36 years old, almost 4 years ago...
     
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    They both would kill Serena,are you kidding me?
     
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  22. Joseph L. Barrow

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    No, I doubt they would even have a chance of making a Slam final at this stage, and certainly not after only one tournament back. That said, this isn't an entirely fair comparison, since they're far older and have been retired far longer than Clijsters and Henin were.
     
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    And TMF answered and then you started running insults at him for no reason..
     
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  24. Agassifan

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    Wat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    i think that if they make it to the fourth round without dying, they should be lucky.
     
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    Agassi can't even take out Todd Martin these days.
     
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    i would take most of the top 200 over them at this point. even sampras would not be able to win a round at wimbledon. They physically can't compete now that they are almost 40.

    In their respective primes vs the players of today is a different story however imo
     
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  29. okdude1992

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    true that. they still are better than the WTA
     
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  30. Kore

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    I dont think so. wayyy past it! theyde ruin WTA though...
     
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  31. Tennis_Stringman

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    Sampras can hang with anyone for a set or two but 3 out of 5 for 7 matches? No way. Tennis is a young man's game. The ATP is not like the WTA chkefest!
     
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  32. decades

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    No. But Sampras depending on the draw might make the final 8 at wimby.
     
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  33. Kore

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    decades who u reckon would win between Sampras and Roddick if they played tomorrow?
     
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    With his serve still unmatched on the tour, I bet Sampras could make the quarters or semis at wimbledon if he were to train for six months or so and do 2 or 3 tournaments to warm up. Why not, when titans like little davydenko are the only threat to federer before the finals (with nadal and del potro ailing). Of course, at his age who knows if his back would go out or some other injury might happen... Anyway, clearly he has no interest. He even seems to be phasing out the senior tour.
     
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  35. jamesblakefan#1

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    Of course not. I'd give Sampras more chance than Agassi b/c of the serve, for what it's worth, but no neither is making a GS final this day and age.
     
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  36. IvanAndreevich

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    If they were 10 years younger they'd have a good chance. Pete at Wimby and USO, and Andre at the AO. Not guaranteed because of Fed, and the slowing down of the surfaces. No chance at the French :)
     
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  37. Netspirit

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    If you want to know how far Sampras could go, watch Karlovic.

    Agassi, on the other hand, has no chances - his style requires too much running for his age.
     
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  38. World Beater

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    sampras nor agassi is winning a round these days.

    delusional...
     
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    Sampras & Agassi

    With Agassi's bad back, it would be hard to fathom for him.

    I do think Pete retired early, and still has a lot of "game" left in him..

    If he trained his ass off, getting into great shape, I could see him competing on regular tour events, best of 3 sets.

    But, GS would be a struggle....best of 5 over 2 weeks is a long haul, particularly on the harder surfaces. When the golden oldies did it (Rosewall, Laver, etc.), you had events on clay or grass, not HC. Much easier on the body.

    He might give a few of the weaker guys a scare or two, but I don't think Fed or Nadal would be worried [unless they were having an off day, I suppose].

    Connors was competitive in his late 30s, but was no longer making GS finals...just quarters and semis...and the hard courts obviously caught up to him eventually (hip replacement). But he did win a few regular tour events when he was close to 40, and I'm sure Rosewall did as well, so it is not impossible, just difficult, and these are guys who stayed in the game (did not retire, then return).

    The game, as it is today, is just very hard on the knees, joints, etc., etc.
     
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  40. davey25

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    Clijsters and Henin are still in their 20s and on average about 2 years younger than the Sisters who themselves are not yet "too old" (well maybe Venus the oldest of the 4 is sort of there though).
    Agassi is turning 40 this year, Sampras 39.

    It really is a silly comparision. Agassi in 2005 obviously did make a slam final at 35 though he got some major breaks with the draw and some upsets avoiding all of Federer, Hewitt, Roddick, Nadal, Nalbandian, Safin, or anyone of much note really (Blake was his top opponent and he should have lost to him) until the final. In 2006 he clearly was not even close to capable of making a slam final anymore with any draw, and his body was breaking down bigtime. His final slam he went out to Benjamin Becker. So would he be able to make a slam final now? Hell no.

    As for Sampras he in general didnt age as well as Agassi did. In 2001 and 2002 Agassi overall was doing much better than Sampras, despite that they had the same # of slam wins and finals those two years with Sampras's unlikely U.S Open heroics both times. His 2002 U.S Open title was his only tournament win those whole 2 years combined. I shudder to think how he would have been doing even 3 or 4 years after that point, let alone now 7 and a half years later. 7 and a half years ago he lost to George Bastl at Wimbledon, you know his turf where he is arguably the greatest ever on. Still since he has the serve and didnt have a crumbling back maybe a smidge more hope than Agassi but still nearly nothing.

    Neither would even try and come back. It would be pointless. WTA comebacks make more sense anyway since the WTA right now sucks, and the ones who came back were not that old or gone that long anyway.
     
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  41. Mister Goulash

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    Even in their prime I do not think they would be in the top 10 in this day and age
     
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    Yeah, agassi meeting federer in the usopen final was so long ago, it actually never happened! Smart guy alert!!!
     
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    Stupid post. Not even 5 years ago Andre WAS in the top 10. This was a year before he retired. Nonsense. At their best Pete would probably be #2 or #3. Andre probably somewhere between 3 and 10 depending on how serious he is taking it.
     
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    "FEDERETE"? . . . as solid as concrete!
     
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    Right, everyone know the current field of players is the best of all time. Borg, Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Edberg, or Sampras? Gimme a break. They are jokes. No of them would even make the top-20 today. No one can compete with the quality of today's players. No one! Darwin proved it!

    The mighty Djokovic or Murray or Roddick or Cilic would bagel them all ever time. I mean come on, look at how many slams Djokovic has, he is the GOAT. . . except for Federer and Nadal who are better, of course.
     
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  46. T-ennis 888

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    Andre and Pete - the Ken and Ryu of Tennis.

    If then returned with as they were 10 years ago they would own the majority of they guys on tour.

    With the age they are in today, I'd say they would struggle a lot today.Only natural as everyone gets older :)
     
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  47. Mister Goulash

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    Cocker I never said anything about a final I just said I don't think they would be in the top ten in today's game. Federer would be the first to tell you that he is a better player now than he was 4 years ago.
     
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  48. Mister Goulash

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    Anyway its irrelevant what I think - I am a nobody, just my silly opinion
     
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    comebacks

    Per Davey's note...it really comes down to how good their bodies are.....bad back, legs, etc. and you can forget about it....
     
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    I definitely agree there. Actually I would say Pete at his best would be either #1 or #2 now. Nadal has been injured and below his best for 8 months now, including the last 4 slams, and might never be at his best again. And now we have Djokovic who has been dissapointing in the big events for awhile now climbing to #2 for the first time.

    Agassi at his true best like 1995 or 1999 could even be atleast #2 today. There are some who question whether Federer is still at his own true best, though I have a funny feeling he is climbing back to it now as unlikely as that seemed.

    My initial post was just talking about how they would do NOW which a far cry from their primes of course.
     
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