Courier says AO balls are bigger, heavier and slower this year

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  1. shadows

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B2stFzwWzo

    I've not watched enough to really gauge how much of an impact this has made, but I'm still kind of disappointed since I've never felt the AO needed slowing down any further.
     
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  2. Murrayfan31

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    Another change to suit Nadal. :rolleyes:
     
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    Don't forget Murray! :)
     
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    Ah rite yer i though it seemed a bit slower than last year, cheers for the info, guess there giving rafa a head start
     
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  5. Bryan Swartz

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    Yes, because there is no other possible reason to change something like this other than to benefit a specific player.
     
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  6. Eternally_damned

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    Seems like the world is conspiring to let Nadal surpass Federer.
     
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  7. MichaelNadal

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    Who says Nadal cares? It's not 2005 where he can only win on clay geeze. He said himself a week ago he isn't even sure if he prefers slow courts anymore.
     
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    Haha

    10 paranoid whiners.
     
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    Between the court surface (the grit on AO courts makes the ball sit up - which makes the ball lose more speed on bounce - hence "slower") and the ball specs, tournaments have been moving towards making matches longer with more rallies for many years now.
     
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    Couriers balls are bigger and heavier at AO due to the swelling humidity said his new wife.
     
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  11. Alchemy-Z

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    Well most sports have an set amount of time to be played in.

    no matter what ball/puck you use in Hockey/Soccer/Football and Basketball you are guaranteed so many minutes of a game.

    (and so are the sponsors)

    Like today with Venus stopping after 2 games I'm sure the sponsors lost money...fans we unhappy etc..

    same with these Bagle&Breadstick Runs

    In league I only ever get to see 2 setters with a tie break at most...so when I am watching the pros I am hoping for a 5 setter ( no matter who I pull for) just to see lots of quality tennis.

    I'm all for longer points.

    they are the most fun to play and the most fun to watch.IMO
     
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    Yeah we need to give credit to a guy who's won 2 wimblys and a uso. He's arguably the best fast court player of this era behind Roger
     
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    I dont even think it is arguable. Nadal IS the second best fast court player of the era.
     
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  14. No news there, everything that favours Nadal ATP will do.
    But this will also be good news for Murray
     
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    and even better news for the lines people not getting cussed out on a bad call :)
     
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    A few years ago he couldn't win a hardcourt title if his life depended on it. Its more accurate to say he is the second best fast court player today.

    I think of an era as a decade give or take a few years. Encompassing the majority of a players career.
     
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    Why is this good news for Murray? If slow condition is good for Murray then he should have shown some good results in Clay.
     
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    Exactly. Murray hates slow courts as most counterpunchers do.
     
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    They don't play on Fast courts in this era.
     
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    Yeah, while we often obsess about court speed and bounce, we often forget about the balls and how drastically they can vary and how that affects play.

    I was shocked to learn that that there's no standard ball specs. I'm sure there are guidelines and parameters but, obviously, there's room for a lot of variance.
     
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    Plus its normally scorching hot at the AO and its been quite mild weather so they may have slowed them down to offset the heat.

    that hasn't arrived yet and = slower play

    where as if they had the regular ones and the heat was us it would be superfast.
     
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    Are they using pressure-less ball by chance?? (Would explain heavier and slower)

    I thought all ball manufactuers had to keep things within specs?? Guess Not...
     
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    They better fix this problem asap. AO is unwatchable right now with all the moonballing.
     
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    "Fast courts"?? What fast courts? :confused:

    There haven't been any fast courts on the pro tour since the indoor carpet courts in the 90's.
     
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    Cincy is close though and we know how Nadal does there. lol
     
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    The WTF and the USO has fast courts. Im sure some of the smaller hard court tournaments in the US are fast to.
     
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    You guys are so funny. Absolutely everything is some pro-Nadal conspiracy.
     
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  29. MichaelChang

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    Why don't they just change all surface to clay.
     
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    Once again, the USO is not fast. Seriously. I play there. It's not.
     
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    Compared to? and what is fast in your opinion?
     
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    Right. Compared to the AO they are damn fast.
     
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    Right. i believe you over the majority of the ATP. im sure you have played on more courts than them. Seems everyone agreed it was fast until rafito won.
     
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    Nadal could win a major on ice and people would call it slow. Ignore the idiots.
     
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  35. Bryan Swartz

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    Compared to what some courts used to be, there are no fast courts, sure.

    But there are some courts faster than others. Nothing wrong with calling them fast. If courts were as fast as some of the indoor ones or American HC used to be, I think tennis would be worse for it given some of the ball speeds today.
     
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    USO is fast. Not as fast as Cincy but much faster than AO, faster perhaps even than Wimby. If you doubt me, watch some videos of rallies at Arthur Ashe vs points from the AO and Wimby.

    Just because Nadal won there does not make it slow. It makes Nadal a pretty good player.
     
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    Compared to the super slick indoor courts they had at Hempstead Lake Indoor tennis, and still have at Carefree Racquet Club in Long Island... I thought the USO was fast until I played on those indoor surfaces.

    To me, those are normal paced courts at the USTA center. I guess I'm just used to a faster pace than the ATP standard.
     
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    you sure he wasn't talking about kim clijsters?
     
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    This will favor everyone who grew up playing on clay, like Federer.
     
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    All of Nadal's records are tainted be he could not do any of this back in the 70s.
     
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    It's not only about Rafa, I'd really like to see more serve and volley etc..
    They've even slowed down Wimbledon which always was my favourite GS, until the grass became a slightly faster clay court..
     
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    The US Open courts are only fast compared to red clay courts, but they are not fast for hardcourts, and nowhere near as fast as indoor carpet courts.
     
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  44. Jchurch

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    He has 5 RGs. Numerous clay masters. Until he actually constantly does well on fast courts, he still loves slower ones.
     
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    This is sort of disappointing to me. If anything I would have preferred the AO were sped up a little from last year. I already wondered if the resurfacing each year wasn't also partially to blame but the balls certainly also play a big part. I play on courts exactly the same bounce and speed at the AO on occasion (laid by the same person even) and they are significantly slower than any other hard courts I play on.
     
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    I'll be honest if the court is gritty and the balls are heavier and sitting up longer I think that benefits the guys who bomb their groundies like Soderling, Tsonga, and Berdych. Verdasco too. It hurts guys like Isner who only have the big serve and not much else to back it up with.
     
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    Nonsense. You could just as easily say all of the past stars records are tainted because they couldn't do it on the courts of today.
     
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    The players obviously know a lot more about the balls than silly old Courier :lol: and that's the kind of question he should be asking in post-match interviews, but he's probably too afraid to in case they disagree :lol:
     
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    Paris Masters 2010, they sped up the court quite a bit, I would just like the Australian to be absolutely fair and even as far as speed and bounce and type of ball, but everything goes in cycles, but this cycle is taking a little big longer
     
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    The AO surface is like sandpaper, so you fall, you scrape.
     
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