Court colour and ball striking and line calls....

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  1. NoBadMojo

    NoBadMojo G.O.A.T.

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    Anyone notice that when the pro tour goes somewhere where they use that funky purple court colour you get more bad line calls and players hitting less cleanly than usual? It seems to be happening in Toronto and also happened in Houston. I know the ball is harder to track on my TV as well. Am wondering why some reputable company just doesnt test to see which court colour allows maximum vision performance and make hard courts all the same colour. Let's bring back the white Slaz balls? :) anyone rem those? Ed
     
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  2. speedofpain88

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    I've always thought that would be a great idea. There are constraints on the tennis ball, one of them being that it can only be yellow or white, but this should maybe be changed or at least they need to start using the white balls.
     
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  3. WW Volley

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    I do know this much...

    If you live in the States, you know for the longest time we've had metal reflective road signs. They have been variations of yellow and orange. However, you'll notice recently there has been a change to this very very very bright yellow/green color. It almost looks like a vibrant yellowy green highlighter. Basically, this is the most visible color to the human eye. White is not.

    I've tried to gather pictures to show what I'm talking about...
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  4. bigserving

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    Actually, the reason for the purple court surface is so that the court stands out better on TV. They have used that surface at Indian Wells for several years now.

    As far as line calls go, the surface color makes no difference.

    As far as hitting the ball more clean, the background makes more of a difference than the surface color.

    WW, please tell us that you did not go out and take those great pictures just to respond to this thread!!
     
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  5. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    The courts in IW and Canada, Cincy, etc. are blue with the green on the outside. Purple are like Madrid and Paris Indoors courts, those are annoying (Paris is alright, but Madrid is just horrible). I love the green with the inside blue like that. They are my favorite court colors in the world basically, and I find it very easy to see the ball. Hardest to see the ball is the purple in Madrid, which is supposed to make it easier to see.
     
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  6. WW Volley

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    lol, I just did a google image search and posted them. I did not use any photography skills =)

    I have no clue about ball color and court surfaces, but that "new yellow" color is the one engineers have decided is most visible to the eye of a driver.
     
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  7. bcaz

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    I think the purple/blue courts are a Masters Series thing, part of the branding they use, like the Mercedes emblems on the nets and those commercials (or, commercial). I agree about the visibility, but money talks.
     
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  8. NoBadMojo

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    bigserving thanks for the info about court colour having nothing to do with ball visibility. what is the evidence you have about this?
     
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  9. bigserving

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    Does a good pair of eyes and a lot of common sense count as evidence?

    The ATP announced the reason for the change of the court colors at the TMS events several years ago.

    I have not heard of any players or officials complaining about ball visibility because of the color of the court surface, have you?

    Of course, you will present Your Evidence to the contrary.
     
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  10. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    I swear that the blue in the canada, cincy, and indian wells is BLUE, the purple change is for Madrid and Paris, isn't it?
     
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    well i' not claiming to have all the answers like you..all i had was the question...and was wondering if any of this was ever really tested and how you came upon your supreme wisdom. i've played on a wooden court..the ball was really hard to see. i;ve played on that tan colour court that was used a few years ago..the ball was harder to see..i've never played on that blue or purple colour court and maybe you havent either.
     
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    Actually, I have played on the courts at the Indian Wells Tennis Garden and the visibility was just fine.
     
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  13. NoBadMojo

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    at the decoturf website there was this about decoturf and the olympic committee testing diff colour combos for visibility. pcmd there is a decoturf blue and a decoturf purple, i dont know which they use at which tourney stops. <snip> The Olympic Organizing Committee has chosen Deco Classic Royal Blue for the inbounds playing area and Deco Classic Light Blue for the out-of-bounds area on all sixteen courts. In addition, Show Court One & Two and the premier Centre Court will have the Olympic rings painted on the surface behind each baseline. "The color choices made by the Olympic committee not only offer a beautiful background for the venue, but also allow excellent visual ball to court contrast. All of the color combinations we presented to the committee underwent rigorous testing before a final selection was offered," says John Graham, Managing Director of DecoSystems <end snip>
     
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  14. fantom

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    I remember seeing somewhere a few years ago (i THINK it was Tennis Mag.) that the masters series events were switching to blue courts. This was to let others know that the tourney is a masters series event as soon as they saw the court. Of course, there is no blue clay so the clay court TMS events didn't do this. Anybody else ever remember seeing this?
     
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  15. ford oliver

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    Purple Courts

    PCMD, the courts in Toronto are supposed to be "purple" and look like that up close but admittedly they come across as blue on TV. e-mail me at mevans1880@aol.com...I have tapes of Moya's matches last week if you want them.
     
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  16. Chanchai

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    Well, sometimes I wondered about the court color and calls... but I think it's just the staff. Or maybe the type of sunglasses they were all wearing :p

    I will say I prefer to play on a blue/purple court than a green one. The most TV unfriendly color is the indoor dark purple court with dark purple area. Depending on what visual filter a network uses, red clay can also look really bad or at least, taxing on the eyes (I like watching claycourt matches, but sometimes the eyes just get worn out and I start drifting quickly).

    ESPN loves to ramp up the contrast and make everything vibrant. At Roland Garros, at first I liked the super red clay look on ESPN, but after awhile it just seemed hard to focus for me on long periods, I realized that it's just warm enough on NBC--though it does look like brown dirt on NBC. I don't know what filter will save the indoor court matches, but I do like watching indoor matches.

    -Chanchai
     
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  17. Ronaldo

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    IMHO our local blue courts make it far easier to see the ball, especially when it contrasts with a light colored border. Only objectionable color combo is when those folks up north consistently use maize and blue. Favourite colors are a sweet maroon bordered by light grey on one set of High school courts. Hope some Michigander won't ruin that combo.
     
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