crazy 10 year old girl

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    ???? Thats great stuff

    Thats a playa!

    I will be looking for in the years to come!

    Thanks for the cool find!
     
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    Oh no, not another one. That coach at the end blowing sunshine up her ass is worrisome.

    And what's with that BH? Borg fan or something?

    Hey whatever happened to that other thread with about the kid and his father was on here defending him and everything?
     
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  4. lordmanji

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    pretty good. she could prob beat most of the 3.0s here. dunno about 3.5 tho. i just hope her dad doesnt take it too far and keep it enjoyable yet competitive for her.
     
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    She's pretty good, but not so sure she's world class good even for a 10 yo. There seems to be some fundamental flaws on her backhand. The most impressive thing was her foot speed for a girl her age, but the strokes, not so much.

    Looks like she got double bageled in a tournament by a girl two years older than her.

    http://www.tennisinformation.com/tourny/5/1/7/4/0/8/8/results-8.asp

    I think the first few seconds of the video says it all -- they're trying to sell her "looks," attract investors and sponsors. IMO. True female prodigies usually regularly beat the top girls 3 to 4 years older than them, if not older WOMEN. This girl will only be a good college player unless she has a major growth spurt and develops a couple of huge weapons to cover up that technically flawed backhand.
     
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    Yeah, and the girl that double bageled her, almost got double bageled herself later in the tourney....so there is definately some room to grow in there and an apparent skill gap to close.
     
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    Good god, another marketing video.

    http://alexusjones.com/

    This one just flat out says they're looking for investors pretty much. From her video, she doesn't look very good at all.
     
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    I don't get it, sometimes she hits a two hander, sometimes a one hander, and sometimes a semi-one hander.
    she is really, really good for a 10 year old girl though.
     
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    wow, that's pretty amazing for 10 year-old... this might be harsh, but i can't see her hitting those backhands under any kind of pressure. probably need to tighten things up like a previous poster said.
     
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    She is an excellent tennis player for 10 years old. She'll probably never make $1 from tennis, but that isn't (shouldn't be) the point of learning tennis, after all. She may or may not have a scholarship in her future. She seems like a nice kid with an overeager dad.
     
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    Anyone see this girl winning the junior FO in the next two years?
     
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    it's difficult to form an opinion from such a short video footage, but yes, for a 10 year old girl i dare say the performance is pretty good. there is still much room for improvement on the stroke mechanics of both forehand and backhand. haven't seen a slice backhand though, and while the footwork on moving left and right was quite decent (looked like some late hits on some though), there was one shorter ball which seemed to give her lots of trouble - that's where ballistics come in and you have a hard time positioning on longer and shorter balls. also i missed a service, which is an all important stroke, even in the girls' game.
     
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    She isn't that great. I actually remember seeing her at that tournament where she got double bageled. The park is a couple minutes from my house. There are several better players at her age just in this area, and im certain there are many, many more around the rest of the country and the rest of the world.
     
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    OMG I am dying at your signature.

    When did Aykhan post that? What does it even mean??? LOL!
     
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    I have no idea when he posted it, and I have no idea what it means...

    But I love it and I live by it.
     
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    spindarella,
    i think that it's not about being great, in spite of what her dad i suppose was telling us in that video, but about the potential of her to develop. in order to evaluate this you need much more footage and more strokes, ideally in a competitive situation.
    i'm thinking of my son for instance who will soon turn 8. i'd like him to have a complete game, so he already plays bh slices, volleys, tries to get some kick on the serve (won't overdo because of not generating back issues), etc. of course i'd also like him to win some matches, but that's too early now. at this age they have to learn to "feel" the game and try the shots to go for, winning is secondary until 12-13.
     
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    I don't evaluate how good kids are by how much they win. I will give her this: she has great coordination and is a great athlete. She is way ahead of the other girls her age in that respect. However, her strokes could use a lot of work, and her style of play is questionable. Her serve isn't very good either. If she gets to a good coach soon and fixes her strokes, I think she could really be great. If she stays on her current path though, winning or losing, i dont think she will get very far.
     
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    "If you thought Deja was just another pretty face.."

    Certainly not what I was thinking!
     
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    spindarella,
    you are confirming what i previously said - there is still much work to do on the strokes, and i haven't seen any serve on the video, which you happened to see at the tournament. she is indeed coordinating well currently, but let's wait and see how it's going to be after her next growth spurt.
     
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    wow, theres no way she looks 10 years old
     
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    ehh that girl is OVERHYPED! its obvious that hse isn't serving with her whole arm.
     
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    The father of the girl in question

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    If her superior athletic ability and coordination get her past with unorthodox form and strokes, which is very possible, she will be something to see in a few years. Keep her aggresive and coming in. If she is good enough to go pro, by the time she gets there, no one will be seeing opponents serving and volleying. If she is truly good at that, she will be a huge force. But don't let her become just another baseliner. She is too talented for that. And I don't think I've ever seen a kid with a really good overhead. That one just comes with age and experience. Congrats on the talented daughter and good luck!
     
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    I would be interested in seeing some video clips of her serve and perhaps serve & volley shots. Do you have any?
     
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    None of us saw the results against the 16 and 18 yo posted. Links? What is Deja's current ranking?

    Her movement looks world class for a 10 yo. Most older girls don't have that kind of foot speed.
     
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    damonk,
    as i initially said in my post, it is difficult to make an evaluation on such a limited footage and just a couple of baseline strokes. she's moving really good left and right, but the most important moves in tennis are forth and back, so that's where you can get off balance and do a poor shot - i don't mean coming in to the net. anyway, you have definitely something to be work on and working for, so keep it going and the best of luck to both of you.

    p.s.
    i don't know why the op said "crazy" in the title, because i don't see anything crazy in the fact that a kid just loves the game. it that's crazy, than i also have a crazy boy (8yrs.), but i'm not going to look for counselling.:D
     
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    I'm a little confused. Was she "practicing defense" or "practicing winners"
    in the video? or winners from a defensive position? She was pretty
    far behind the baseline.


    She appears to be very athletic and have very good movement.
    I would encourage you to get her some good coaching to perfect
    technique so that the technical flaws in her game don't limit her
    potential -- especially if she has an aggressive game.

    Can you post a video of her serves? volleys?
     
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    maybe it's also due to the father's superior athletic ability and coordination that he clicked post 2ice. even faster than a enterprise chat serve resulting in double posts.
     
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    No need to verify that you are rightly proud of your daughter's skill with a tennis racquet. In fact you would be a poor father not to trumpet her accomplishments.

    On the other hand, everyone else here aren't her father and bring their experience and opinions (without any family connection) to the mix, no slight intended, just a dose of reality.
     
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    Funny

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    I think you're making a terrible mistake with this. Changing her backhand isn't starting from scratch, she already has a good understanding of mechanics and timing, it's not like teaching a total beginner. If you want to have a chance in the pros, change her backhand now. You heard that Pete Sampras changed from one of the best two handers in the juniors to a one-hander in his early teens, right? His results junior results suffered, but the dude won a few Slams later on. (not saying she needs to hit a one-hander by the way) Maybe in the juniors she can get away with but it's going to really hurt her down the line. She's only 10. You want her to be a winner NOW, or are you thinking long term? So what if her junior ranking slips.
    Nobody misses when everythings perfect. That's a very low standard you're setting for the integrity of her stroke mechanics. Her strokes need to be so sound that they hold up even when she has a talented opponent moving her around, doing everything possible so that she never gets a good look at the ball.
    This can be a mistake, too. On one hand, it's not bad to do this every now and then, but doing it too much is bad. I've heard stories about women pros having to stop practicing with men too much because they were getting too used to shots they never saw on the WTA tour. It's not just a quantitative difference, we're talking about a qualitative difference. What I mean by that is that your training philosophy, at least as demonstrated in this video, seems to be that this ball machine is playing like a SUPER JUNIOR, and if your daughter can handle a super junior, she'll have no problem with a regular junior. But that's not really true. Like you said, she's practicing against a type of player she'll never see in a real match. "... speeds and ball patterns that girls her age simply cant generate" What is the point of practicing for an opponent she'll never play? It's like Federer practicing for a match against Nadal by getting a right handed partner who serves and volleys.

    Think long term. Fix her backhand. She's only 10. She has plenty of time to develop. Don't get caught in the trap of thinking she needs to impress agents, sponsors, etc, NOW and you're not going to take any necessary steps backward for fear of making a bad impression. Think long term.
     
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    Thanks, I guess I'm the last one to comment on mechanics though
     
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    i think ur girl can beat me lol... i'm a very beginner that happens to be able to find the sweet spot for the k90 a lot.
     
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    sorry, i can't read this entire thread....

    did this girl get double-bagled by another 10-year old girl at the local park?... i say no way that is remotely possible... or was it a 14 year old who double-bagled her? i saw perhaps a reference to older girls.... can someone clarify please??
     
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    What kind of a grip is using on those serves?
     
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    drop all training and teach her the serve, from scratch

    continental grip, slicing from R - L not inside out, flat and kick serves, balance on her feet, leg drive upwards not sideways, fuller extension on contact.

    its hard to say what shortfalls she has now are due to her grip, id say all the factors mentioned earlier are directly affected to poor grip causing a poor action

    This will be hard hard work, she will require a lot of support, good luck
     
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    You seem like a nice guy. You're not getting super defensive, I believe you have your daughters best interest at heart, and I wish you the best. But that backhand can be greatly improved, and she's only 10 years old. She's got plenty of time to fix and improve it. To me, it's not a "if it ain't broke why fix it" situation. It's broke, there's no question, it's just a matter of when will people be able to really start taking advantage of it and will she be able to distract from it with a giant serve and/or forehand?

    You should track her matches, prepare a spreadsheet and keep track of all her winners, errors, and when. After a few matches you'll see a trend emerge. I mean, do her opponents already pretty much attack her backhand side? Or do they attack her forehand hoping she'll go for reckless winners.

    Anyway, she looks like a gifted athlete, and her forehand looks great. Why not fix her backhand. But it's up to you.
     
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    I'm the father of a 7 month old, and trust me I know what it means to be proud of your kid, but putting up videos like this of your daughter on youtube is weird to me. Not quite as bad as the child beauty pagent thing, but still icky.

    By the way, she is obviously good, not taking that away from her at all.
     
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    Oh my God!
    That serve is BAD!!!

    I have seen soo many pro (meaning instructors) allowing wrong grip, wrong mechanincs that it is ridiculous.
    This serve will have to be change and sooner the better.

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    Damon: Im curious as to how much time do you and deja put into a day training? And please count video watching, off court stuff, court time etc..
    Also do you work another job or are you a pro/coach? Just wondering what it takes to get to be a great player like Deja? I read that Andre Agassi used to hit on his court with a ball machine for 5-6 hours a day when he was 10.
     
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    She hits high forehand and not an overhead serve.

    She gets 80 mph on her serve? With underspin/backspin?
    With all due respect, I don't believe it.

    Now, reasons why go for conventional grip and motion:
    1. Goal would be topspin serve. Under the preasure faster swing would genereate more reliable serve. Player is only good as his second serve.
    2. Ability to serve all three types: slice, flat, topspin


    Regards, Predrag
     
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    Her holding serve against 18 adn 16 y.o. does not prove anything.
    Dementieva holds serve against top WTA players.
    Not all the time, but it happens.

    Well, it is up to you. It is your daughter, you do what you want to do.

    Regards, Predrag
     
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    Thank you for your reply. Im sure you have signed on with tennisplayer.net which has some excellent footage and instruction that will help you and Deja get better and better. There are some great music videos on that site which Deja may enjoy. There is another boy who is now 6 named Jan Silva who recently was given a full scholarship to an academy in Paris. You may know this family. (originally from Sacramento) They packed up there whole clan and moved to france.

    Did you use mini- tennis with foam balls ever when she was younger? I am working with my 5 year old son and have been since age 2. Not as much time as what you and Deja have put in but pretty good amount as to not overkill the fun. I have found that mini tennis with the gamma foam balls really can be fun and does not give such a big bounce as do real tennis balls.

    Also - did her footwork come naturally or did you work on that with agility ladders and or footwork drills?
     
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