Credit where credit is due....

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  1. miyagi

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    I am NO Murray fan at all! BUT he played great today....I didnt think his game would translate well to clay and whilst I'm not suggesting that he will win any clay titles.

    But for a Hard Court specialist shall we say I thought he played very well indeed!

    So what did you guys think?
     
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  2. matchmaker

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    I agree.

    When Murray stops pushing and is forced to go after the points he is dangerous on any surface and he showed he actually masters clay, he will be increasingly a huge contender for clay court tournaments.
     
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  3. batz

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    Firstly I think that Rafa is bluddy amazing - some of his retrieving today was inhuman.

    Secondly, the tropes about Murray not being able to generate power and not being able to hit through the court are pretty much dispelled.

    Murray will get better on the dirt. Rafa hadn't been taken to a breaker in this event since 2006, and when was the last time he had mp on his serve on dirt and got broken?
     
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  4. miyagi

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    I didnt know what to expect really.... I expected Murray to put up a hell of a fight but at 5 - 3 in the 2nd set he came alive and played some kick ass tennis.

    Yep we all know Rafa played insane (as usual) I love the way he steps up to the challenge and never crumbles!

    But congrats to Murray, clay court season could be interesting - ish lol imagine if he can build on this performance?
     
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  5. Tennis_Maestro

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    Thank you!

    I'm glad even Nadal trolls are finally sensing Murray's potential on clay.
     
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  6. miyagi

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    I'm a Nadal troll? LOL thanks for coming into my thread and insulting me....lmao! :)
     
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  7. All-rounder

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    Nobody is trolling just a misunderstanding
     
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  8. hansolo

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    Murray certainly played very well to the latter stages of the second set and proved that when he plays aggressively he is a threat on clay aswell.
     
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  9. deltox

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    i give murray credit he played well this tourney.. cant wait to see what he does later in the year and next season
     
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  10. Cesc Fabregas

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    I hold my hands up credit to Murray today.
     
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  11. batz

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    And credit to you Cesc.
     
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  12. maximo

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    Murray would of won a set if he starting like he did in the second
     
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  13. Cesc Fabregas

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    Nadal was bossing the points at that stage he couldn't.
     
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  14. maximo

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    Murray was bossing the points in the second. Could of done the same in the first.
     
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  15. maximo

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    I thought you said Murray has the worst FH in the top 10. It was certainly better than Nadal's today. :roll:
     
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  16. Cesc Fabregas

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    No it wasn't it was great in the last few games but not over the course of the match.
     
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  17. maximo

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    In the second set it was clearly better than Nadal's.
     
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  18. VivalaVida

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    If murray played with the same intensity and level as he did towards the end of the second set, nadal wouldnt have been making him run around like a "crazy chicken" as the British commentators put it.
     
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  19. Cyan

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    Hopefully Murray wins a slam this year.
     
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  20. Cesc Fabregas

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    He has a good shot at the USO.
     
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  21. P_Agony

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    Murray first tried to play like Nadal and had no success. The result was one of the most boring sets I've watched in my life, with some horribly long rallies with moonball after moonball. It was a pain to watch and I stopped.

    Then, however, I turned it on again and saw Murray starting to play aggressive tennis and actually taking the 2nd set to a TB, with some very nice, short, aggressive points. Kudos to Murray for showing a lot of fighting spirit at the end. Nadal was playing grat as usual of course, no need to mention that.
     
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  22. l_gonzalez

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    Credit indeed, but can Murray play with the intensity he showed at the end of the 2nd set for up to 3 hours? That's the real question because that's what it'll take to beat Nadal in one of these Masters Series let alone at Roland Garros.
     
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  23. nevisben

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    From 5-2 down in the second Murray turned it on a won 4 out of the next 5 games. If only he had started 1 game earlier.....

    Nadal was immense as usual but good to see that Murray hit more winners than him, even including a too passive first set and a half. Hopefully he will learn from this.

    Also well done to the posters who are finally giving credit to Murray.

    Looking forward to he final.
     
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  24. miyagi

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    Murray said he played especially high shots to give himself time to get back in position.

    I dont know if Murray can keep it up for 2 sets but we will get to see shortly!
     
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  25. P_Agony

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    But when he did play those shots he wasn't succesful (plus the tennis was ultra ugly). I swear, I thought I was watching a WTA with some of the most horriblly long and boring rallies, with nothing but moonballs played by each. Murray was succesful when he started playing aggressive, going for his shots and taking chances. That's the only way to play Nadal on clay.
     
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  26. Safinator_1

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    Wheres Nadals credit? :p
     
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  27. Magnificent!

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    Murray is a quick learner, he knows he can compete with Nadal on clay for periods in a match atleast. I see Murray closing the gap on Nadal on clay because he is a good tactician with alot of shot options. I reckon Nadal sees Murray as his biggest threat on all surfaces, including grass because Murray has good mental strength too. I think Murray is similar to Macenroe, people don't really warm to him...but they will grow to appreciate his talent.
     
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  28. miyagi

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    LOL

    Can we please keep the insults to another thread!
     
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    Glad to see there's someone on tour besides Federer that's not afraid of Nadal
     
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  31. I would have LOVED to see a third set. I'm sure everyone would.


    It could have never happened, though, because Murray started slowly in the tie-break and Nadal played perfectly.


    But Murray proved to everyone that he has some serious mental toughness...hopefully that bodes well in the future.
     
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  32. Mastadon_10S

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    Murray is a player, that it for sure. He is becoming better with time as all do, IMO he will give Nadal a run for his money in the near future on the dirt.
     
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  33. The one thing that let Murray down in this match was his forehand.


    It's nowhere near as penetrating as Nadal's forehand. Except when he stepped in and attacked, all he did was loop that ball back and wait for an error.
     
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  34. srvnvly

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    I would like to see them play on grass, at Wimbledon; Nadal is incredible and is the current legitimate hope for a true Grand Slam, but Murray's game could be good enough to beat Rafa on grass
     
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  35. slick

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    What? Nadal scares the crap out of Federer!
     
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  36. Gugafan

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    I think its fair to say that 'Murray is suited to clay'.
     
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  37. Ljubicic for number1

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    Yep great effort, hope we get to see a rematch this season as it will be very interesting to see what he took from this match.
     
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  38. bluetrain4

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    This is what I was thinking. You can look at that second set and maybe conclude that Murray is "close", that with some adjustments, he can really challenge Nadal at the French.

    Or, you can see what tremendous effort and intensity it took, and realize tht if he drops that level for even a second (which he is going to do over a best of 5 match), he's right back to losing the set as he did the first set.

    He's close, yet, so, so, far away.
     
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  39. The-Champ

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    nope, hopefully he wins a slam or 2 next year! this is the year when rafa wins all 4
     
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  40. shawn1122

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    No.

    Murray is by far the favourite at the US open, and I would not take Wimbledon for granted just yet.
     
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  41. Antonio Puente

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    You have to admit, it is funny seeing a player get this much credit after being dusted off in straight sets(6-2 in the first). To me, it just points to how ridiculously dominant Nadal is.

    Congratulations Andy - you played a hell of a match. Your prize? A straight set beating.
     
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  42. batz

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    It's all relative though isn't it? When somebody does something that hasn't been done for three years (take Rafa to a tb @ MC) and when the last guy to do it was prime Roger, then people take notice, especially when the guy who did it has been almost universally written off as a clay court no-hoper.

    Murray can now tell himself his next target is to take a set off Rafa on clay. A week ago the thought of Murray doing that would have brought howls of derision - but this morning it would seem to be a reasonable goal.

    I think that in itself is due a bit of credit.
     
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  43. P_Agony

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    No insults really. Both played well (Nadal obviously better). It just was a pain to watch as far as entertainment goes. The tennis, especially in the 1st set, was the ugliest I've ever seen. There is a big difference between high quality tennis and beautiful tennis. Was it high quality? Sure, espeically from Nadal. Was it beautiful? Hardly (at least not until the nice last games of the 2nd set).
     
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  44. maximo

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    Murray's better than Federer and Djokovic on clay.
     
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  45. P_Agony

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    How is Murray favorite to win any slam? Why would he be favorite over 2 guys that are currently running the grand slam buisness (Rafa and Fed). Everyone said Murray was favorite to win the AO (including myself I admit) and he didn't exactly even reach the semi final. Until he wins one, he is no favorite at any of them.
     
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  46. Cesc Fabregas

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    No he isn't.
     
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  47. maximo

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    He sure is.
     
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  48. Cesc Fabregas

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    He played well yestarday but Djoker and Fed have far better clay court resumes.
     
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  49. maximo

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    The past means nothing...


    Fed went out 3rd round in MC, don't forget. Murray got to the SF, and almost took it to 3 sets.
     
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  50. Cesc Fabregas

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    Djokovic nearly beat Nadal at Hamburg last year so did Federer and Djokovic at RG nearly took Nadal to 4 sets.
     
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