Critical Weekend coming up for Stanford --- USC and UCLA road trip

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How would Stanford handle the critical road trip to USC and UCLA ?

Poll closed Mar 26, 2011.
  1. Ray of hope -- Takes both dual matches

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  2. Not so bad -- wins 1 and loses 1

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  3. starts a new losing streak -- loses both dual meet

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  4. Domination -- Takes both dual meet and goes on unbeaten streak thru may

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  1. Fedace

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    Stanford now prepares for a crucial road trip, facing No. 4 USC (Friday, Apr. 2 - 1:30 p.m.) and No. 9 UCLA (Saturday, Apr. 3 - 1 p.m.).
    Tough loss to Baylor but time to put that aside and get on a roll once again. Sometimes it is easier to play on the road away from all the pressures of home court and fans. Once again, doubles point will be crucial in the coming dual match. Lets keep up the success in doubles and dominate the singles once again....:)
     
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  2. jaggy

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    Id like them to win both but think USC will beat them
     
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  3. Fedace

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  4. Ambivalent

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    Gonna call it right here
    Farah and Johnson will defeat Klahn and Thacher, Farah will beat Klahn, Nguyen will beat wire, Nguyen and Sundling will win, Clayton will beat Johnson, Kandath will win, Poldma and Lucassen will win, Poldma will beat Thacher, and McNaughton will win.
     
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  5. roddick_rulz

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    Stanford will only win the doubles point against USC.
    It's gonna be a great match between Klahn and Johnson...but as we all know, #1 Johnson will rise to the occasion.
     
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  6. roddick_rulz

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    There is no way that Clayton will beat Johnson if they play...Clayton is struggling like crazy and there is no way that he will snap this slump against the number one ranked player.
     
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  7. Fedace

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    HOW ?? Klahn OWNS Farah. and Clayton also owns Johnson. Stanford doubles teams can't be beaten. That is already 3 points right there. We only need 1 more point. Hirschman with his improved game will win at #6. so we win 4 matches to whatever.
     
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  8. Fedace

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    OK my mistake. Johnson has been playing #1 as of late. so Klahn will most likely play Johnson. or we could switch it up since we have better match up with Clayton vs Johnson. Johnson for some odd reason just can't handle the power from Clayton... Maybe it is mental thing ??
     
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  9. andfor

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    The Cardinals will be lucky to get out of L.A. 1-1 this weekend. I pick them to go 0-2. Easier to play on the road in front of hecklers? Losing at home due to the pressure of performing in front of the support of your own home crowd? Is no excuse ever to absurd to you Feddie?
     
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  10. Kick_It

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    SC will win - no doubt.

    I watched part of their match last Saturday - I was impressed, and they're playing against Stanford @ home.

    no April fool's joke here.

    Looks to me like SC will win the PAC-10 men's title this year, K_I
     
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  11. Fedace

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    YES i agree. USC will win the pac-10 title and Stanford will win the NCAA title.:)
     
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  12. Ambivalent

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    Yeah, their 3 setter at Sherwood was definitely "owned".
    Stanford doubles cant be beaten? Klahn and Thacher lost to Nguyen and McNaughton before, and they are hardly ranked.
     
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    Jaak Põldma is no 2 player in my country (Estonia)..he is something like 800 in the world and has OK forehand, bad BH and some OK movement, bad serve.

    How is he doing there in US ?
     
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  14. Tina

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    Any information about University of Missouri, Fedace?
     
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  15. DownTheLine

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    Yea FEDACE take Clayton off of your avatar and put Farah or Johnson.
     
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  16. Fedace

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    Yea, That is alex Clayton finishing off Farah in straight sets with a 110 MPH forehand winner down the LINE. :)
     
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  17. Fedace

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    Match starting NOW. GO Stanford.........Lets shut these guys out.
     
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  19. DownTheLine

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    What's the score?
     
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  20. DownTheLine

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    WOwerz Stanford is getting their butts kicked.
     
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  21. TourTenor

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    Looking at the potential result ... I'd say the Tree has developed a fungus.
     
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    Well if Klahn can pull his match out and so can Thacher they have a pretty good chance seeing that Wire is on a roll.
     
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  23. TourTenor

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    No, you're right, the Tree hasn't fallen, yet. They are down officially 4-1 and they will have to pull out all the rest. Possible but not likely. I wouldn't go out on a limb here.
     
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  24. DownTheLine

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    Thacher just won and Klahn is up a break. Wire is down a break. COME ON!!!!!!!
     
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  25. DownTheLine

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    It's pretty much over now.

    Wire is down a double break.
     
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  26. DownTheLine

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    Wire comes back and looks like he can pull it out!
     
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  27. DownTheLine

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    Stanford got owned.
     
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    Strike one, Dr Fedace.
     
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  29. Kick_It

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    No 'foolin here. #1 nationally ranked doubles team went down in flames to start it all off:

    No. 4 USC 5, No. 7 Stanford 2

    DOUBLES
    1) No. 8 Farah/Johnson (USC) d. No. 1 Klahn/Thacher (STAN) 8-3
    2) Nguyen/Sundling (USC) d. No. 31 Clayton/Wire (STAN) 8-4
    3) Lucassen/Poldma (USC) d. Kandath/Lin (STAN) 7-4, def.
    Order of Finish: 1, 2, 3

    SINGLES
    1) No. 15 Robert Farah (USC) d. No. 5 Bradley Klahn (STAN) 7-6 (5), 1-6, 7-6 (8)
    2) No. 1 Steve Johnson (USC) d. No. 45 Alex Clayton (STAN) 6-3, 6-2
    3) No. 93 Ryan Thacher (STAN) d. No. 73 Jaak Poldma (USC) 7-5, 3-6, 6-3
    4) No. 83 Daniel Nguyen (USC) d. Richard Wire (STAN) 7-5, 2-6, 6-3
    5) Denis Lin (STAN) d. No. 104 Peter Lucassen (USC) 6-3, 6-4
    6) Jason McNaughton (USC) d. Greg Hirshman (STAN) 6-4, 6-3
    Order of Finish: 5, 2, 6, 3, 4, 1
     
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  30. woodrow1029

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    Fedace, did #3 doubles actually end in a default, or do the people that put in the scores not know what they are doing?
     
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  31. JW10S

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    No, it was not a 'default'. Once a team has clinched 2 doubles matches and thus the doubles point the remaining match is halted.
     
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  32. DownTheLine

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    I think he knows that. Woodrow were you the umpire for any matches today?
     
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    For some reason I thought Kandath was playing singles. Anyway, called 5/7. Not bad at all. Knew my boy Farah would beat Klahn.
     
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  34. andfor

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    Very funny how Feddie announced the start of the match and then quickly disappeared and as soon as USC got out to an early lead.

    Standford mens tennis half way to an 0-2 weekend. Could it be the pressure of the TW message board got to them against USC?
     
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  35. DownTheLine

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    He shouldn't have. Klahn served for the match twice.
     
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  36. Fedace

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    It turned out ok since Denis Lin won his match easily. Lin replace Kandath at #5 spot. but Kandath will be back. He is too good of a player. he maybe the difference maker in Stanford winning the NCAA title in May...........
     
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  37. Joeyg

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    I would be surprised if "Standford" makes it to the quarters of the NCAA finals.
     
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    Only if both coaches agree. The ITA rules for dual matches (not in tournaments) call for all matches to be completed, unless one school has a tight travel schedule or other special circumstances. It might have been defaulted, or it might have been abandoned by mutual agreement.
     
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  39. woodrow1029

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    Actually there is a new rule for PAC-10 mens doubles this year. When the doubles point is decided, if the third match is on serve, they continue until 7-7 and then play a tiebreak. If one team is up a break, they finish that game. If they hold, the match is over. if the other team breaks back they continue until 7-7 or until one team breaks and consolidates.

    I wanted to know of the rule was used or if Kandath/Lin did something to get def'd..

    I didn't work any mathes yesterday. I'm working Santa Clara vs. USF today. Stanford v. USC women tomorrow.
     
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  40. DownTheLine

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    He woodrow I am guessing you have been the umpire for some ATP matches right? If so other then the obvious better ball striking and being better. What sets Pros away from Top collage players(top 10)?
     
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    And don't forget to over-rule in Stanford's favor.
     
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  42. TourTenor

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    Doubles Valuation

    My bad (in my earlier post) I forgot that the 3 doubles = 1 point. Older times 3 doubles = 3 points.

    IMO each match should count equally. Anyone, want to help me with the logic as to why the current 3 dubs = 1 pt?? It means that the doubles can only be up to 14% (1 of 7) of the value towards settling a match. If 3 doubles = 3 points then it would be up to 33% (3 of 9) of the value. Am I missing something here? It seems there is little love for doubles in the college ranks.
     
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    Yea your right it should count equally. I think part of it is that they only play an 8 game pro set. If they did that it would usually be very good for Stanford.
     
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    It's another time saver. After a team wins 2 of the 3 dbls matches the coaches can suspend the 3rd match and move on to start the singles. It also places more emphisis on singles they way I am sure the majority of the coaches want it. No matter how you slice it singles is and always has been more important in college tennis.
     
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  45. Ambivalent

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    They only play 1 set in doubles though.
     
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    D2 and D3 still use the 9-point system, but although D3 tennis is what I mostly follow I do prefer the 7-point system. Doubles matches between top teams tend to be very close, being decided 8-6, 9-7 or 9-8. If one team gets a little lucky and takes three close doubles matches, then the match is essentially over. I like the 9-point system because every match counts for a point, but I like the 7-point system because the match is never decided before a singles match has been played.
     
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  47. socaltennnis

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    Right, having a 9 point system where doubles counts the same as singles works better if matches are all played at the same time, like in high school. In college, since singles is played after, let's say a team wins 3-0 in dubs, then that means they only need to win 2/6 singles matches to win the match which is kind of pathetic.

    Anyways, #7 Stanford beat #9 UCLA today 4-3, in what should have been a relatively easy match for Stanford. Stanford does not have what it takes to beat a top 8 team, so they probably wont make it to the quarterfinals at NCAA's. Also, UCLA had a really great chance of beating Stanford, and certainly could have at certain points of the match. UCLA took out their top two players, Abid and Seguso in both doubles and singles. Last year's number seven in the lineup, Amit Inbar stepped up to #2 two weeks ago and took Alex Clayton to two match points in the third at 5-4, although it was on Inbar's return of serve which made it tough.

    Lastly, Alex Clayton told me at the match that he has never met Fedace and does not want to.

    No. 7 Stanford 4, No. 9 UCLA 3

    DOUBLES

    1) No. 41 Inbar/Meister (UCLA) d. No. 1 Klahn/Thacher (STAN) 8-4
    2) No. 31 Clayton/Wire (STAN) d. Brigham/Tabatruong (UCLA) 8-0
    3) Hirshman/Kandath (STAN) d. Brooklyn/Stewart (UCLA) 8-4
    Order of Finish: 2, 1, 3

    SINGLES

    1) No. 5 Bradley Klahn (STAN) d. Nick Meister (UCLA) 6-3, 6-3
    2) No. 45 Alex Clayton (STAN) d. Amit Inbar (UCLA) 6-4, 2-6, 7-5
    3) Matt Brooklyn (UCLA) d. No. 93 Ryan Thacher (STAN) 7-6, 7-6
    4) Kallim Stewart (UCLA) d. Richard Wire (STAN) 7-6, 6-1
    5) Maxime Tabatruong (UCLA) d. Denis Lin (STAN) 6-2, 4-6, 6-3
    6) Greg Hirshman (STAN) d. Alex Brigham (UCLA) 6-4, 6-4
    Order of Finish: 1, 4, 6, 5, 3, 2
     
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    PS: I think Stanford's website (where I grabbed the set scores) was incorrect. It was Lin/Kandath at 3 doubles.
     
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    Alex Clayton is the HERO of the day....

    #7 Stanford 4, #9 UCLA 3
    Apr 03, 2010 at Los Angeles, CA (Los Angeles Tennis Center)


    Doubles
    1. #41 Inbar/Meister (UCLA) def. #1 Klahn/Thacher (STAN) 8-4
    2. #31 Clayton/Wire (STAN) def. Brigham/Tabatruong (UCLA) 8-0
    3. Matt Kandath/Lin (STAN) def. Brooklyn/Stewart (UCLA) 8-4
    Stanford Wins Doubles Point

    Singles
    1. #5 Bradley Klahn (STAN) def. #89 Nick Meister (UCLA) 6-3, 6-3
    2. #45 Alex Clayton (STAN) def. #102 Amit Inbar (UCLA) 6-4, 2-6, 7-5
    3. #52 Matt Brooklyn (UCLA) def. #93 Ryan Thacher (STAN) 7-6, 7-6
    4. Kallim Stewart (UCLA) def. Richard Wire (STAN) 7-6, 6-1
    5. Maxime Tabatruong (UCLA) def. Denis Lin (STAN) 6-2, 4-6, 6-3
    6. Greg Hirshman (STAN) def. Alex Brigham (UCLA) 6-4, 6-4


    Match Notes
    Stanford 12-5; 2-1 Pac-10; National ranking #7
    UCLA 12-5; 3-1 Pac-10; National ranking #9
    Order of finish: Doubles (2,1,3); Singles (1,4,6,5,3,2)

    GREAT WIN guys,,,,Time to get on a roll and go Unbeaten til we bring home the NCAA tournament championships where it belongs.......
     
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    I am little Confused... What is Kalim Stewart doing in UCLA ? I thought he was playing for Cal ??

    Anyway,,,,,That is the way to come out the slump, Alex. Couldn't have thought of better way than to CARRY the team to the victory and break the losing streak. I have a Feeling that Alex may go unbeaten from here on to the NCAA championships including the singles championship.
     
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