Critique my game..... plz view bill

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  1. copycat

    copycat New User

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    Hey everyone,

    I just took videos of my game down at my tennis club and was wondering if anybody would like to give me any tips. This idea was inspired by Montana Realty's post on his forehand. Ive taken videos of my forehand, backhand and serve.

    http://www.geocities.com/givrc/paulsbackhand.avi

    http://www.geocities.com/paul_copycat/paulsforehand.avi

    http://www.geocities.com/paul_copycat/paulserving.avi

    You might have to right click and save target as for it to work properley.

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    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Age: 17
    Height: 6'4
    Weight: 75 kg (dont know what it is in pounds :p)
    Right handed

    Thanks guys
     
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  2. Anonymous

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    Backhand doesn't work
    Forehand:
    1. Early prep
    2. Turn more sideways to get more rotation
    3. Hit through the ball
    Serve:
    1. Toss higher and in front
    2. Drive off your legs to get the ball
    3. Your leg kick looks like you try to do it, let it be natural
    4. Slow down your arms for the first half of the serve
    5. Keep the left hand pointing up as long as possible
     
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  3. copycat

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    Ey sorry about that. I was over the geocities mb limit, so i moved it somewhere else. The backhand link now works :) Just noticed on the serving video, my friend swearing :? Sorry about that......
     
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  4. Bungalo Bill

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    couldnt get them to load
     
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  5. Kobble

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    Claims site is temporarily down.
     
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  6. YEMntFtb

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    well it worked for me and heres what i have to say:

    Backhand - Looks good but you need to stay down more, your coming up to early and more preparation foot movement

    Forehand - also looks pretty good but your hitting late so get your shoulders turned more, add some body rotation so your not using your whole arm, and again preparation.

    Serve - slow your motion down alittle bit, its to fast, and toss a little father out in front on flat serves, maybe even try to kick up with your legs as your pretty tall and if you can get a good kick serve going you will be hard to beat.


    how'd u get the video of yourself, i need to do that, for college and for my own critiquing
     
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  7. James Brown

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    lol..did he say 'f your f'ing nut?' LOL,WTF?!?!? hahahah thats awesome. Australians must have the best slang :>

    dude, youre 6'4 at 17? thats scary..im 5'7, but i can tell ya, you need to toss a bit higher :> your forehand also looks like an anemic 70 year old with no kneecaps, you gotta bend em and turn,move into the ball/forward. i know how it feels, i used to hit like you, but id overturn :>i didnt see the backhand, but i like your serve and the courts you play on, clay?!?! :>
     
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  8. copycat

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    hahahaha yeah im 6'4 :p Yeah sorry bout the swearing... Didnt realise he said it. He said it because normally my serves hit the fence about half a metre up, and this time it was about 2 metres :p Thanks very much for the tips guys, the links seem to be working fine so i dont know why they wouldnt be working for some people, but keep trying. The courts are what we call en-tau-cas (or something like that). Its a kinda clay variation i think. The place we play really is beautifful and we're lucky to have it :D Oh and my mate helped film myself with a digital video camera
     
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  9. James Brown

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    so your serves always fly long? you shoulda said that was the prob. :> you gotta toss higher, so you hit it while the ball is flying upwards and not coming back down (thus causing it to fly).

    thats what you get for being 6'4 you bastige! how about you send like 3-4 inches of height my way, mmmk? :>
     
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  10. copycat

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    hahahahahahah sorry i didint explain myself properley. After they bounce in the service box they hit the fence half a metre up :p Sorry about that
     
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  11. copycat

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    Thanks for the tips guys!! Keep them coming.
     
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  12. Kobble

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    Serve- You could get farther into the court more. Your motion looks great from start to finish from that angle, so I don't think I wood mess with it at all. However, You may want to slow you tempo down to match the tempo of people of similar stature like Krajicek, Delic etc. You will notice that they do not go into and come out of the bottom of the serve as early as you do. They ease into the knee bend, and come up in a smooth, but swift manner. On the other hand, you dip down and spring back up more like a coil. It appears to be a move to prevent you from being late. Unfortunately, the height and manner in which you toss the ball will have to be changed to allow you to get further into the court along with slowing your tempo down. Krajicek and Delic toss the ball higher and outward from the naval more than you do which allows them to take the ball further into the court. Believe me, it is difficult to try to slow things down and at the same time trying to toss higher to buy yourself extra time. It is a complete timing overhaul, and it is something that usually does not come easy. The best way to learn it is to get a video of great tall server and try to be in sync with their movements as the video plays, it will give you the feeling of the tempo that you may want to shoot for. As a matter of fact, your arm motion is almost identical to Mario Ancic. You may want to watch him if you get the chance. I think you have the raw ability for an awe inspiring serve. Good luck!
     
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  13. joebedford

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    Geocities has an hourly data transfer limit on their free sites. I am sure that is why some folks are having trouble downloading some of the clips. Just try again in an hour. :)

    I only got to see the backhand--looks good to me...you f!@#$ing nut. :wink:
     
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  14. copycat

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    Thanks Kobble for the great post. Ive been out on court trying to slow it down a little, and am doing fairly well so far. Just having a few problems timing the ball properley, but when i get it right, ill post another video.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    Some good suggestions above. The one thing i notice is that you toss the ball straight up from the hand and don't finish very far into court with your feet. If these are second serves or kick serves then that is fine, but if they are first serves i think tossing the ball a smidgeon further forward will add pace and penetration. Tim Gullikson's main concern on Sampras' serve was that he was tossing the ball well into court.
     
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  16. JohnThomas1

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    Ok, your forehand. It looks to me like you don't get much bodyweight into it. Looks to be a semi-western type grip or close. I think you could load the right side better and get some real thrust on the ball. It almost looks like you are going thru the motions on it. You don't leave the ground at all, and tho leaving the ground shouldn't be a conscious action nearly all great forehands in the semi-western vogue have it. To me it points out that you aren't loading the right side properly and unloadingly forcefully. I must say that your serve looked great and even on the forehand you look to have great potential.
     
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  17. JohnThomas1

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    Backhand looks very good to my average eye.
     
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  18. copycat

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    John, where would you live in Australia mate?? Should have a hit sometime if youre in Melbourne!! :D
     
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  19. JohnThomas1

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    Sure do, but a long way from Melbourne. I'm in Rockhampton Queensland. Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, has the new ITN ranking surge hit you guys? They are supposed to be standardising our ratings Oz wide. I'm an ITN4 if you follow :)
     
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  20. copycat

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    Well its hit, but its not that popular yet. I asked my coach what I would be and he said probably about a 3-4....
     
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  21. Bungalo Bill

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    Sorry it has taking me some time to respond:

    1. Your serve: Still not a lot of upward movement. I also dont see you using your legs much in the shot. They are sort of there. Check out this link and compare your video on the serve and try and see the differences. Right away, you will see more of an upward thrust compared to yours.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/hi/sa/tennis/skills/newsid_2061000/2061553.stm

    2. You have the makings of a very good forehand. I like it!. Good seperation of the elbow and shoulder which makes it look fluid and I bet it packs a punch when you want it to. Only one thing, try going out toward the target more and keeping the elbow down a bit on the followthrough. Elbow movement that excessive can lead to some control problems.

    3. You backhand: Again, I like it! I would try less muscle. Go for more relaxation. Just meet the ball and develop good consistency in your swing. During the video, I saw several different variations of the same swing - which tells me you havent worked on grooving it. When you see a ball you can smack, you pull out of the shot a little. Ones that are a little more difficult you stay in it better. Try and learn to stay in all of the shots. Which means you might have to go for more fluidity then force.

    Overall, watch your footwork, you are on your heels too long in your shots. I will provide you a link for you to see how the pros are mostly on their toes throughout the shot.

    they are also swinging fast but it seems within their control. They have created a swing path that can be duplicated over and over and over again.

    If I am ever in Australia (good chance I will be) and I am in your neck of the woods, I would like to take you on in a match. I liked your aggresive style - keep going. You need to get in better shape.

    Links to compare your strokes:

    http://www.uspta.com/index.cfm/CFID/1011399/CFTOKEN/30568349/MenuItemID/1277.htm

    It was hard for me to evaluate further then this because I couldnt control the video which I like to do when I am in analysis. I coould only play it at full speed and couldnt toggle through certain areas of the stroke.
     
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  22. JohnThomas1

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    If you're ever in Australia Bill and take the young gun on i think a few of us might turn up for lessons!!! :p
     
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    Thanks for the reply bill. It amazes me that you know im out of shape :p I am probably the most unfit person at our tennis club. After about a minute of running around I have to take a break :oops:.

    You're right about my forehand, I can hit it hard when I want to, but have trouble keeping it in. I also know what you mean about the backhand, with it not having a grooved stroke where I can just rely on it without thinking or changing it. Im working on it though :)

    It would be great to have a match with you if you ever cam to Australia!!! Give us a yell at paul_copycat@hotmail.com if you ever want to have a hit :)

    Ill post another few videos when I have mastered the suggestions you have all given me :D Thanks again!!
     
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  24. copycat

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    oh and btw, Bill, have you ever thought of making videos of your playing style available?? I'd love to see the master in action!! :D
     
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  25. Bungalo Bill

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    Lol,

    Not quite a master at the game when playing it. Otherwise, I would be on tour! But I do love to coach young bucks like yourself and enstill good tennis technique and skill development for your future game.

    I like to make others masters of the game. If that is what they want to be. Otherwise, I like helping people play better. But there is a sacrafice to this. If I spend time making other players better, how do I get my game up to par? It is difficult and now with a family it is even harder because I spend time getting my kids to play, along with other sports.

    I will put up a video soon as well. I am always looking to get back to playing again. Now that the folks here have learned a lot at this board, you folks can critique my stroke and tell me where I need to focus.
     
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  26. kevhen

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    Bill, what is your NTRP anyway? Or what do you think it is? Your knowledge of the game is easily 5.0 level. What is your history as a tennis player and coach anyway?
     
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  27. Bungalo Bill

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    I played for San Diego State #3 singles and #2 doubles in the late 70's early 80's. Right now, my NTRP rating is 5.5 to Open level. I would have to get in better shape to compete at that level in tournaments though so I would probably enter 5.0 level because of my conditioning. Not that I am that bad ( I am 6'2" and weigh 210), but when your 45 and competing in the 5.5's and up, you got to run and run for a long time - so carrying less weight really helps the movement. I like to weigh about 185. I feel strong and fast at that weight.

    I think the biggest area that I have noticed dropped off without any intention on seeing gradually slow down is my serve. I am just not as flexible as I used to be. If I pop the Ibuprophen to relax the muscles before a match, I pay for it later when it wears off and my recovery seems a couple of days longer. It could very well be my extra weight that hinders my serve. The serve is my strongest part of the game. When it is firing, I play well, when it isnt, well, I better be in good shape.

    So thats it, drop 20 - 25 pounds and I am back in it. But it is easier said then done with work and family matters. By the time I get home, the last thing I want to do is go back to the courts and play tennis!
     
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  28. JohnThomas1

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    So you are coching still Bill?
     
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  29. Bungalo Bill

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    I am coaching but with only select students. I am winding that down and trying to get a good friend of mine to take them as well. My tennis coaching days are numbered as I do not want to do it anymore.

    Coaching was a great job while single, married and married with one kid. But now I have three kids and live in sunny Southern California. It is just too expensive to do it here with a family.

    Plus, I want to do something else anyway so it is good timing. I will always be available to coach but will not seek it as my living as I have for the past 15 years.
     
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  30. JohnThomas1

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    Awesome stuff. It's good to see that you still do it if need be, i think your knowledge and enthusiasm would be a blessing lesson wise.
     
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  31. Bungalo Bill

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    Well maybe we can hook for a tennis match and a "tips" lesson in Australia! Bring the beers. :)

    You never know.
     
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  32. copycat

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    hahaha well hopefully by that time ill be 18 and will be able to buy a slab! :D looking forward to it fellas!! :wink: Oh and by the way, a new video of my new and improved serve is on the way :)
     
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    I'm sure it would be well worth the beers!! :)
     
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