Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by Clemson_tennis, Nov 16, 2011.
Giron lost 4 & 2.
Kosakowski blitz deBakker 1,2
Kosakowksi v Goffin today should be fun.
I have seen Deiton Baughman in a lot of Futures lately. TRN now lists him as Not Rated rather than Blue Chip, even though he has plenty of ranked tournaments and ranked wins in the last 12 months. That has to mean that he has turned pro. He has had very good doubles results with Collin Altamirano lately. It seems he is maturing in every way lately. Best wishes to DB on the pro career.
Rumor has it DB and Kozlov have turned pro. Anyone know for sure? If DB did go pro look for Brad in the Pro forum. Lol
Deiton officially announced he was going pro about a week and a half ago! Made a funny little instagram post that he "signed" with the University of ATP.
Good luck to him and wish him the best but he has a long road ahead to be successful
Altamirano plays Shabez today and DB plays Kwiatkowski in the Bakersfield ITF.
Altamirano and DB lost to the 2nd seeds in doubles yesterday and a very close match that came down to a third set TB. (7-5, 6-7, 10-5)
Both guys made it singles quarters of Sunrise Futures recently and teamed up for finals of doubles as well.
Wishing them luck in singles today after a tough one in doubles yesterday.
Both boys won in singles today: CA over atp 457, DB over unranked. DB will play #2 seed. CA will play 16 yo qualifier that just beat E King atp 495.
CA vs DB in the qtrs USA F8 of today. Winner makes their 1st semi, where he'll likely face Kosakowski.
Should be a hoot!
If only TCF was around so we could blast him with the boys success. Of course he would still stand his position until they got to #1 in the world, ha ha.
Despite DB's success thus far, I still agree with TCF's belief that he should go to college. Even if it's just for a yr or two. He'll get free training and equipment while he's there, plus about the same competition he's facing now. He can play Futures in the summer while he's in college. It's not like he's likely to go undefeated in college.
Unless he has a good sponsorship package in place. You lose money playing Futures. Even someone like Kosakowski hasnt 'graduated' from playing Futures yet and it's been a couple yrs.
Dont want to end up like Halebian.
CA now faces Kosakowski in the semis.
Anyone see the CA DB match. How did it go?
From the scores, it looks like the chip off the old granite block dominated.
Don't disagree with the premise that the college track is safer, prudent, allows for development, more cost effective, blah, blah, blach, etc. Both TCF and Brad made so many points in their one sided arguments. It's safe to say all of us could have disagreed on one aspect or another from their many positions.
What I would point out is that DB is now posting some winning results in futures as a 17 yr old. I'm sure TCF would defend his position and point to some mythical timeline that DB's behind the curve missing results at 15/16. What I defended is Brad and others decision to turn pro before HS, who cares, let them do what they think is best. Even if we think otherwise. Players in Europe and S.A. do it all the time. There's no proven path to pro tennis success. Like most pro sports chances to make it to the top level is slim at best.
Brad on the other hand tacky self-promotion of DB was over the top. Among other things.
I miss those guys and the debates.
at the end of the day, TCF is still right that this guy hasn't shown any signs of being a top-75-type money-making pro in the future
- don't recall TCF ever saying he wouldn't win some futures matches
what's the biggest tournament he has won again?
what's his pro ranking again? http://www.itftennis.com/procircuit/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=100177638
(he's basically playing a full pro slate now - having played 11 futures / challenger tournies since mid-september - aka in the last 6 months - see player activity)
yep, he's 17, we can still say we don't know quite where he ends up for sure
but i don't see any reason to go back on comments that he won't be a successful atp pro - doubt TCF does either
Didn't say he didn't have and valid points.
I have no predictions for the future, but Deiton is ahead of where I thought he would be at this moment in time.
Agree. The kid (Brad) going all in, is doing ok. With the average age of the top 100 pro being about 25, he's doing fine. Hope they can sustain the financial burden. Regardless to where the end up in 8 years good luck to them on the journey. May end up being a I told ya so, so what. Just keep grinding.
Speaking of DB, he pulled out of USA F9, for good reason. For the 2nd yr in a row, he's managed to get a WC into the qualies for Miami. He plays Estrella Burgos. Interested in seeing this result. Estrella is an older player, about 31 I believe. Lets see how the youngster does.
Also, does this mean that he's with IMG since this is the 2nd yr in a row he's gotten a WC?? All this cross country flying has to add up.
I have a sneaking suspicion they've been closer to an agent of some sort and contracts for longer than it may appear. Don't have much to back it up other than close sources. Good for them.
Per TCF - signed with a sponsor and have officially gone pro.
what do you think Kosakowski's career high can be , top 125, top 100? better??
i remember watching the video where he's practicing with the bryan bros , he's a feel player!
Congrats to D on picking up 3 more atp points and moving his ranking to approx 1050. Best of luck in Miami Q's.
Also congrats to CA making his first futures semi and 8 atp points moving him to inside top 1000 to approx 990. He served for the match vs DK but couldn't quite get that last point and DK came up with some unbelievable stuff to get thru and later take the title in Bakersfield. Good luck in Calabassas.
Would CA be considered the top American U-18 junior tennis player at this time?
Donaldson and Rubin are both ranked considerably higher (both also made futures' finals last week).
True. Also consider in the last meeting CA beat JD in straights, after JD beat NR. I'm sure they will meet many more times in the near future.
Great that we have some promising young players and I wish them all great success.
None of those three guys are going to college
Interesting matches today in Calabasas.
Jung vs Clay
Kozlov v Darian King, etc.
Calle Hansen, former Pepperdine standout got a Wildcard there ! He lost vs Evan King.
barriCunha takes down #1 seed and world #218 mcgee in a comeback in calabasas
his slow march up the rankings continues, after having to play a lot of qualies in events early in the year, currently 471
i'm interested to see how far he can go if he gives a tennis career a solid few year effort - kind of a kudla type game that may never be big enough to be consistently in top 100, but i could see 100-175 range as his peak
good chance CA is next, which would be an interesting matchup
shabaz kozlov would also be fascinating if that happens - two guys with potentially similar levels right now but at very different points in their respective careers - young and on the way up vs frustrated and struggling to get traction
Shabaz definitely seems to be keeping at it for longer than most other Americans with his ranking trajectory. Either really loves the game or can't think of anything else he fancies doing.
For a guy who won both a Junior Wimbledon and an NCAA doubles title I'm surprised he hasn't taken pro doubs more seriously. Especially considering the success that a lot of his peers have had in that form of the game.
match stats of DB's loss in sony open qualifying to victor estrella burgos (a 33 year old guy who is #100 in the world right now)
some select stats in the 6-1, 6-3 match:
- 0 aces, 9 doubles for DB, 45% first serve, and only won 11/32 on his second serve
- DB was 1/25 winning points when returning first serves, and 8/18 winning on second serves
no commentary from me, just the facts
Return of serve is always the first thing I look at when I look at stats from the matches of the college guys against the top 200-300 pros. If you aren't winning at least 35% of the points against serve you're probably not in the match.
Honestly, from what I've seen, DB is the kind of player that once he gets upset, he never comes back from it. If he gets down, he lets his temper get the best of him and his game. Don't know if this kid is cut out for the pros.
Battle of the USA Wildcards in Miami Dubs:
Harrison-Sock v Baughman-Redlicki. Should be a hoot!
Interesting match up on tap, first up today. Go CA!
I 100% take your point. To put a more positive spin on it though, emotional maturity is something that can clearly develop with time. A player with all the shots but with catching up to do on the emotional maturity front has more upside than someone who is already mentally strong but is always going to be 5ft 9' with a questionable serve.
Agree, it's definitely something that can be fixed with time and the right people in a player's life. I definitely put my money on a player with more talent and less of a stable mental game than one with no talent and a strong head on their shoulders. Hopefully DB finds some positive influence and can get it together.
good luck to CA - one thing is always for sure when Cunha takes the court - if his opponent wins, he will have earned the hell out of that victory - get the sense that your son has that kind of grind in him also, so could be a good one
It was a good one, had big advantage, ended up falling a bit short. Good experience.
Blaz Rola is 4 seed in the French qualies and if it goes to seeding will face Ryan Harrison to qualify.
That's a win then. Harrison is done
rola has a tough first matchup, kuznetsov isn't afraid of the dirt
Rola took down Kuznetsov 2 & 3. Gomez also advanced but Jenkins lost heavy.
harry wins a close one in straights to stay on track to face Rola
Stevie J vs Dominic T on now.
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