Current grass court soles ruining SW19

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  1. RUC

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    Back in the 70s Borg was the only player (might have been the first) to wear the "dimpled" grass court shoes. For decades players wore the same shoes from the clay court season.
    Then in the 80s only certain players were given the custom soles.........again most players in the draw wore their std kicks.

    Now it's developed that just about every player in the draw has them and the courts are more torn up than ever sooner. Add the dry conditions and that almost no one comes to the net means we get sloppy - ice rink conditions at the baseline like never before.

    SW19 should ban the dimples
     
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    The entire postcode?
     
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    What's an SW19?
     
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  4. floydcouncil

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    It's a really, really, really, heavy swingweighted frame.

    We are only on SW2 on the racquet section... so SW19 is unreachable, IMO.


    or..



    it could be the postal code for the town of Wimbledon.??
     
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  5. coloskier

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    Actually, when the courts were damp, they used to be able to wear spikes. The dimples were developed so that the courts didn't get totally destroyed after two matches. Could you imagine Nadal playing on flat shoes in this grass? He'd be sliding into the next county.
     
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  6. vsbabolat

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    You're 30 years late!!! Back in the late 80's I knew guys with non points or rankings getting grass court shoes. Welcome to the party! What's changed is no one serves and volleys anymore. So the baseline is very bare. Back when players served and volleyd you had a track going to the net and service boxes hit very worn.
     
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  7. RUC

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    Yes but with the change in the turf a few yrs ago, no more serve and volley at all and now everyone getting the dimpled turf shoes Wimbledon this year more than ever looks and plays horrible.

    I attend every year and the almost total lack of rain (thank God for the fans) have really affected the baseline more than ever.
    Borg used to claim that by the 2nd week of Wimbledon the baseline was almost like a clay court......thus all his success - but looking at the court now it's even worse than that - it's hard ground with lots of loose dirt - all that sliding had nothing to do with the shoes today -
     
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  8. RUC

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    For almost 100 yrs they played on "flat" sloes.........the dimples now have only been around for the last 30 yrs. And until fairly recently only some players had them.

    As for the spikes that was back in the 60s - Laver used them famously in the US Open during his run in the late 60s when it was so wet and sloppy due to heavy rain he switched to spikes - and back then you only wore spokes on the odd occasion.

    Many grass court clubs (few that are left) in the USA and UK in fact prohibit the current dimpled shoes as they cause to much damage.
     
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    it'd not the shoes, it's the style of play that has changed, as vsbabolat says. I mean it is the shoes in a senseā€¦but the style of play would create the same problem at the baseline even in they all wore flat shoes. Grass doesn't hold up to continuous WALKING after two weeks of back and forth. Running and sliding, etc. is a whole different animal. Players are not leaving the baseline on probably close to 85% of points now, and have been playing that way for 5-7 years. I don't think this year is any worse except for that lack of rainfall.
     
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  10. vsbabolat

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    By 1984 everybody in the draw was using grass court shoes! Grass court shoes are not new and the design is not new. The style of play on grass is new. They changed the grass in 2002. The baseline always got ripped up. Mostly by from people serving. Even during Brog's era the baseline was chewed up. I remember them sodding the baseline in the 80's and 90's because the baseline was so bad. When you play on grass no matter what the footwear you are going to chew it up. The courts actually hold up better now then before because it rolled firmer and the change in grass.
     
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    It would be interesting to see if there is any improvement if herringbone-pattern soles return to Wimbledon's courts - the zigzag patterned soles, as opposed to dimpled soles.

    Herringbone soles are a feature of the enduring Dunlop Volley tennis shoe; on synthetic grass I find them very grippy; I wonder how effective they would be on real grasscourts.
     
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    Aren't the dimpled soles mandated by the AE club? Everyone regardless the shoe manufacturer appears to use essentially the exact same sole material.
     
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    Until someone fell and broke an arm.

    The nubs are here to stay. If they tried to ban them I bet there would be a massive boycott.
     
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  15. PBODY99

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    In the 1980's I owned both Asics & Wilson grass court shoes, and was able to use then on grass courts in the Phila area. So that pattern isn't new, just harder to get< TW has a run of the LOTTO shoe>.
    The club mandates the lenght of the nubs, but the running style does beat the court up as less of the court is use these days than in the serve & volley era.
    New shoes on grass works better than a broken in pair I have found.
     
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  16. Gut4Tennis

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    the conclusion SW19 is??
     
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  17. RUC

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    Jeez.......it's common in the UK to refer to Wimby as SW19, just like saying Flushing Meadows for the USO.
     
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    not so.

    I've never heard any sportscaster say SW19 during any Wimbledon and I've watched most every year.
     
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  19. floydcouncil

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    SW19 is the postal code, so in essence it would be like saying "90210" instead of Beverly Hills, CA.
     
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    Must not listen much, I've heard it many times over the years.
     
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  21. RobFL

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    Fyi, the USTA Senior Category 1's on grass like Germantown and West Side TC don't allow the dimpled grass shoes. In fact they don't even allow the old Adidas Feather or the Yonex Clay, which are somewhat dimpled.
     
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  22. RUC

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    Maybe not in the states but in the UK it's very common........in fact the articale posted today on Eurosport buy @bensnowball on how Fed may never win no.18 makes use of SW19 about 3/4 of the way thru the article.

    I have seen/heard it used in UK print, on the Radio and in current mags like TennisHe*d (Uk print tennis magazine).
     
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  23. RUC

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    I knew Westside did not allow them I forgot about Germantown in Philly.

    Back a few yrs when Westside Tennis in Houston had the grass courts (now a football pitch) the dimpled soles were not allowed as well.
     
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    This is it. In Borg's time, they were all (most) wearing Grass court shoes just the same.

    Have a look at the wear pattern of the grass from that era, you'll see. It was alot more S/V play.

    If anything, the grass now is much more durable than it was in the past, it's just that slower courts,
    rocket launcher/spin racket/string technology, bigger hitters etc have turned it into a baseline game.
     
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  25. raging

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    Pretty spot on. The 100% Rye Grass has made the courts more durable, the bounce more even and importantly the courts recover faster. Hat's off to groundstaff as the courts cop a beating the whole fortnight, 2 courts a year are now rested (this year courts 14 and 15) . How they got the centre court up from Friday to Sunday was quite remarkable. It was just drier, hotter this year and you can only put so much water on and the drainage just overflows and you have a soggy grasscourt.

    Oh and the grass court pimple soles are vital if you want to run on and off moist, sappy grass, its when you start sliding on the dirt around the baselines, which is indeed just sand and then back onto the grass, that's also when you are likely to lose grip and balance. Hence the need to change shoes often as the pimples do wear down after 3, 4 hours of sliding...:twisted:
    SW19 is the postcode and mostly referred to by commentators, locals and those that have been in the game a while. South-West London.
     
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  26. martini1

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    I noticed they cut the grass very short and the dirt underneath seems very dense and hard. Nothing like the lawn from a park or fairway on a golf course (more like the green?) I wonder if there is any other way to make the courts more durable and playable at the same time.
     
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