Custom Insoles . Are they worth it?

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  1. Tennis_Monk

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    I am having knee pain lately after i play tennis match. Tried replacing shoes and insoles and seem to make some difference.

    Considering Custom insoles. Does anyone have experience with custom insoles. Are they worth it. Are there various types & choices to consider?
     
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  2. charliefedererer

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    I like the Superfeet Orange - good arch support and some added cushioning under the forefoot as well as at heel.

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    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Superfeet_Premium_Insoles_Orange/descpageSUPFEET-SFO.html

    The cushioning on shoes does break down over time, though my Asics Gel Resolution shoes seem to wear out in the sole before they lose cushioning/support.
    Asics Gel Resolution 4 Men's Shoe Review http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/reviews/AMGR4NO/AMGR4NOReview.html


    Alas, many knee problems won't be solved with shoes/insoles.

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    The knee is complex, and if you love tennis then good knees are a must.
    Wouldn't it make sense to get checked out now and correct something early, rather than wait and have a more advanced problem?
     
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    Yeah, the knee issue could be one of a number of different things: a ligament tear/injury, a damaged meniscus, patellar tendinopathy (jumper's knee), IT band syndrome, OS Disease or something else. Best to find out what is going on as CF suggests.

    http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/knee-pain/knee-problems-and-injuries-topic-overview
    http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/knee-pain/knee-problems-and-injuries-home-treatment
    http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/jumpers_knee

    Have your had any luck with a patella tendon strap or some other type of compression? Orthotic and different shoes may or may not help. I've not tried true custom orthotics but have had some moderate success with Superfeet Green and Superfeet Orange. I've actually had even better results with Custom Fit Orthotic Insoles (Dr Scholl's). They are something of a semi-custom orthotic and a much cheaper price than a true custom insole ($40-50 compared to several hundred dollars).

    http://footmapping.com/footmapping/home/index.jspa
     
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    I never used custom insoles, instead I tried several brands and types of insoles until I found the one that woks well for me (Dr Scholl's Active Series: http://www.drscholls.com/Products/ActiveSeriesInsoles )

    I'd say the shoes are at least as important though.
    A shoe that is too stiff, for example, will likely cause you problems regardless of the insole you put in it.
     
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    I've tried quite a few different tennis shoes brands and models but have had my best results with a x-trainer shoe. The shoe is the Nike Air Monarch. For the past 15+ years I keep coming back to this shoe because it provides the great support and cushion and minimal foot, ankle, shin, knee, and hip issues. Like most shoes, it provides very little arch support but that is where the Custom Fit insole comes in. This is a 3/4 insole that I can use in conjunction with the existing insole -- no need to remove the very cushy OEM insole.
     
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    I had continuous ankle issues and shin splints until I tried Superfeet insoles. Every new sneaker I buy (running, training, tennis) I make sure to also buy a pair of Superfeet.
     
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    "I've cut this piece of foam rubber so that it fits your shoe perfectly. That'll be 450 dollars."
     
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    Which one ?
     
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    short term maybe. long term no.
     
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    Guys, ever watch late nite TV? Or wierd channels after 9PM?
    Commercial says this insole is the key to spring in the step, cures aching feet, and supports really well.
    White plastic short arch support with a couple of grey comfort pads.
    I bought some for a buck, at the buck store, exactly the same white plastic, but without the grey foam.
    Works, but doesn't fit my feet well. And is hard, but it also deforms the instep of my shoes, from the pressure caused by my flat feet.
    Oh oh problems, life's tough, then you die.
     
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    Did when I was in second grade, a few years ago.
    Dad complained they cost too much, around $80 then.
    I found they did keep me running longer, but it took time to toughen my instep, so I gave up on them.
    I have PMaxx, SofSole, SolUltra, Superfeet Purple, Green, and Oranges.
     
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    I used custom insoles in the 1990s - I made them myself after my podiatrist said it would take three weeks to make them after he took measurements (I cancelled them). I used these for a few years and then found the New Balance Ultra-Arch Insoles which I've been using since then though I haven't used them for tennis for a few months. The Ultra-Arch Insoles are supportive for the lower leg and can help to prevent Plantar Fasciitis and may help a little with reducing knee impact but my experience is that you're better off dealing with the knee issue directly. BTW, I've read that the Superfeet are comparable to the New Balance.

    I use knee sleeves or straps on both knees when running or playing tennis to prevent problems or help to deal with existing problems. Good core and upper leg strength and balance can help.
     
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  13. Povl Carstensen

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    I recommend taking out even the regular insoles from your shoes too get the maximum support from the ground (and shoes). Worked better than any handmade, prescribed or over the counter inserts I ever used. And, very important, change shoes before the are worn out. No inserts can fix worn shoes. This is just a suggestion based on personal experience.
     
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    Have custom in one pair of ski boots and super feet green in my 2nd pair of boots. Never considered them in my tennis shoes. Interesting thread.....
     
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    In my experience NO
     
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    Have never tried custom insoles.

    If they cost hundreds of dollars, might as well consider trying custom shoes...

    Do the tennis pros have custom shoes outfitted for them?
     
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    My custom insoles/orthotics are as hard as a tennis racquet. About as comfortable but worked well. Great taping worked just as well.
     
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    This worked for me with CourtBallistecs 2.3, along with double socks
    Will try it with AirMax Cages (can't use double socks with insoles inside as heel slips out).
     
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    Tried no insoles + double socks in my AirMax Cage, works perfect!!!
    They are quite good in how they are anatomically shaped inside, I can see why Federer wears no insoles and double socks.
     
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    I love the Nike AM's. It's just about the most comfortable pair of sports shoes I've ever worn.

    I can't use them for tennis though. They're very flat and wide and I find I just can't accelerate very well in them. Most tennis and basketball shoes have a slightly elevated heel which I find better for quick starts and stops.

    As general purpose kicks though, you simply can't find anything more comfortable than Nike AM's.

     
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    Yes, most modern sportsshoes have a nice footbed under the insole that runs the entire length of the shoe. And more than enough cushoning imo. But did not know that about Federer, thanks for the info!
     
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    If you have foot problems I think you should get orthepaedic arch supports and not stock insoles.
     
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    Honestly, these are the best:

    http://www.yoursole.com/us/footbeds/


    I wore these in my tennis shoes for years, and I believed in them so much that I later went to work for the company. I am still with SOLE now.

    Btw, I am not in sales. I don't make commission. I work in the head office in Calgary, Canada.

    The Signature DK Response are the best for Tennis. I wear them in my Prince T22's and I'm laughing.
     
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    I have a set of Soles for one of my shoes...I have 4 different sets of tennis shoes.
    The other's get SuperfeetGreens, PowerMax's, Dr.Scholls gel beds.
    They all work about the same.
    As for removing the insole completely from the equation, that's great for those with ankle problems (rolling of the ankles), provides lower center of gravity for better balance.
    I RAISE my footbed so I'm closer to 6' tall...:)
     
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    Can the footbeds be re-shaped more than once?
     
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    They really can't be reshaped ONCE.
    Yes, after the first oven experience, their shapes are altered.
    BUT, after maybe 3 days of play, they go back to original shape.
    Even fully arched, they don't have the support I need, as I can flatten them out with my first step, and every step afterwards.
    They ARE better than no arch supports, but possibly it's the raised heel that really helps.
     
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    I suggest you let your arches do the work they are intended to, and get strong in the process. I guess most people here know that is my opinion, so I am not looking for an extended discussion.
     
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    Suggest you stick with the Powerstep Maxx. I put enough stress on a graphite orthotic to crack it so no OTC insole will last long. Thanks for the info.
     
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    Powerstep Maxx's are my least favorite, and provide what I think is the least support. They are lower, more padding than support, and heavier in weight.
    But I do use them on a pair of Fila shoes.
     
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    Actually, glad you brought this up. There are at least 2 schools of thought on this. One, is the view that you suggest. The minimalist (shoe) approach seeks to strengthen the structure of the foot with a shoe that is very close to natural, barefoot running (with some protection but little or no support). Is that a fair assessment?

    Decent primer from REI on minimalist running with some info about orthotics:
    http://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/basics-of-barefoot-minimalist-running.html

    The other school employs orthotics to provide support, stabilization and some cushioning in order to correct body mechanics, compensate/correct for foot structure issues or to control/rectify injury problems.

    The minimalist approach certainly has its advocates with runners. However, feedback from some of these runners indicate that they do not use minimalist shoes for activities such as tennis where there is considerable lateral movement, sprinting, stopping & starting (particularly on hard surfaces), pivots/directional changes, etc.

    One alternative to this would be to use a shoe designed for tennis movement but one that does not provide added support, heel stability or cushioning. Here is an article that talks about the development of new (upcoming) minimalist shoes intended for tennis and other activities.

    http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/exercise/barefoot-goes-beyond-running-20130605
     
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    this doesn't make any sense to me. it's more immediate relief from pain and discomfort. correcting the body mechanics doesn't happen from comfort. it's exactly the opposite. a well understood and precise discomfort is the beginning of correction.
     
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    Sounds like, lots of talk by theorists.
    In the end, it might be case specific.
    Who really knows what's best for everyone?
     
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    theorizing is great, but better theories makes more sense personally. not all theorists are the same. sensibility is important.
     
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    Did I mention the word comfort? It was not my intent at all to stress the cushioning aspect. It is more about support/stabilization. I did say some cushioning to de-emphasize its importance. However, cushioning might be a strong consideration for something like painful heel spurs, which I was unfortunate to experience more than a decade ago. Simple heel inserts that provided some elevation, heel stabilization and a fair amount of cushioning helped considerably with the problem.
     
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    What is your problem dude? Based on your post history, you are a physical wreck yourself yet you are constantly trying to present yourself as an authority figure on health.

    Your defensiveness is completely comical. Get your own health issues sorted before offering any more so-called "advice."
     
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    I don't think you can have a valid opinion here unless you actually have suffered the symptoms or problems.
    A person with perfect, medium arch can NOT have an opinion here, because he never expereinced any arch problems.
    A person currently maintaining a foot problem has a much more valid opinion.
    Like, if you have perfect vision, can you tell a one eyed, poorly visioned person how to watch the ball and hit it? NOPE!
     
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    I've come to the conclusion that this poster is more interested in making personal attacks rather than furthering the discussion. More than once he has made a huge deal about relatively minor differences. Not sure what motivates this behavior.
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    Agreed. Have had knee pain, significant knee pain, for the past 2+ years.

    In the last few months, I've found a way out. Namely, by being very vigilant about eating high quality foods, walking consistently, and also by cycling.

    The knee pain has decreased by a very conservative estimate of 80% at minimum. For all practical intents and purposes, the knee pain is more or less completely gone.

    I've lost a bit of weight, gained a significant amount of muscle, and gotten myself into much better physical condition overall.

    I'm not even close to where I was, but it's going to be great fun getting back into shape.

     
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    I thought I just made a small disagreement to a part of your post. why would you consider that an "attack"?
     
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    He likes to present himself as an "authority figure" and always needs to get the last word in on any discussion.

    He will bait you and then once you attempt to defend yourself, he portrays himself as the victim.

    Just ignore systemic's rants and baiting.
     
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    This is exactly correct.

    I can confirm it from my own experience. I didn't eliminate knee pain until I corrected my body mechanics.

    Additional cushioning simply minimized the symptoms but never corrected the underlying issue: improper biomechanics.

     
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    Curious, how many can wear Barricades with no cushioning? Having trouble with Propulses
     
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    Sorry, the word attack was perhaps not the best choice of words. adventure's post, however, did come off as an unprovoked attack. I was much more annoyed with his post than yours and was really reacting to that. I do not know why he felt a need to respond to my reply to you, particularly in the manner that he did. It came of like a vendetta of some sort.

    Your post did not make sense to me since I said nothing about comfort in my posts. Your post implied that I did. And, altho' I mentioned it, I certainly did not stress the the cushioning aspect. Apart from that, if I understand the position that you were taking I wold probably agree with it for the most part.
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    In most of my posts, I qualify my statements with words like possibly, perhaps, probably, etc. In addition to my own experiences, I've done a considerably amount of my own research on a variety of issues. I will sometimes present opposing points of view. This can hardly be described as the actions of an "authority figure". In any event, I will not feel compelled to reply further to this individual. (Pls refer to post #37)
    In case you missed it, I actually presented 2 opposing points of view in post #30. I did not really take much of an authoritative stance on either POV in that particular post.

    Who is really doing the baiting & ranting here? Look again at your post (#35) and say that with a straight face. Your unprovoked attack was off the mark and did not need to be made at all. Seems that you like to twist my words/intent. Did we have a disagreement in another thread? This seems all too familiar. Is that what this is all about? If not, then my apologies. However, I get the distinct impression that something else is going on here and I am wasting my time feeding a troll.
     
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    Uh, no. :confused:

    I have not and currently have no issues with my arches or feet.

    In my line of work (I'm a physical therapist), I have helped plenty of people with issues with arch support and what not resolve their symptoms.

    Of course the patient's opinions and symptoms are important, the problem arises when they become too biased because all they can hear is what their painful areas are telling them.

    Coming from a more neutral standpoint, I have been able to identify and correct other issues (gait abnormalities, soft tissue restrictions, postural imbalances, etc) that may be contributing to the foot issues.

    Now, having suffered through certain ordeals will have given me a unique perspective on things as well, but I don't need to suffer through everything in the pathology book in order not just to have an opinion, but to help people.
     
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    Is this better than the Dr. Sholl's insoles for sports that is sold at Wallgreen's ??
     
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    PT's always know better.
    "Better", that word again.
    What's the criteria?
    I have Sholls gel insoles, full bed.
    I also have SuperfeetGreens, Oranges, Purples, PowerMaxPinnicles, and SoleUltra's.
    They'er all about the same in what they do for my extremely flat feet.
     
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    I never said I know "better". YOU typed that.

    I'm saying that with my training and experience, I'm confident that my opinion will have some merit.

    There's plenty of things I don't know and I appreciate learning more.
     
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    What was it that doctor's and nurses say about PT's?
    Something along the lines of ..."well, with all those years of training, PT's would have a differing opinion, wouldn't they".... or something close in context.
    Now I'm serious.... Doctors make mistakes, misdiagnose, are human. Nurses make mistakes, misdiagnose, are human, as are PT's and of course, US.
     
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    Well, you're not in the health care field so hopefully you'll get this military analogy:

    Doctors are like generals: They'll make decisions and orders based on what they see from satellites imagery and 2nd and 3rd party information.

    PTs are like the infantry: We're the ones actually on the field, so we know the "ground truth".

    Sometimes the view is the same, lot of times its different. Thus different views.

    Yeah, seriously going off on a tangent....

    I didn't say I know better. I didn't say I don't make mistakes.

    You said no one can have an opinion unless they have suffered the issue.
    I disagree. I, as a PT CAN have an opinion. That is all.
     
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