Darren Cahill on Nadal's withdrawal

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Is Nadal's withdrawal mostly due to physical or mental reasons?

  1. Nadal's knees are killing him and it hurts too much to play.

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  2. Nadal can't swallow being taken out at the French.

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  3. Knees hurt as much as they have in previous years, but french open loss makes too much.

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  4. Nadal's knees are doing worse than usual, and the french open loss isn't helping recovery.

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  1. shawn1122

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  2. フェデラー

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    Or it could be both lol.
     
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    Cahill is the biggest Nadal hater. He mentioned he wanted to kick Nadal's water bottles over during a match to see how Nadal would react.
     
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    Is he Rafa's doctor? What a moron!
     
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  5. Cesc Fabregas

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    Always makes me laugh when people say that Pat Cash said it aswell it would be a bad thing to do because it would fire up Nadal.
     
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    Simply to win continuosly is very hard, a body refuses in the end. So Nadal is tired physically and hence psychologically also.
     
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    Who's that joke? I've never heard of him before.
     
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  9. bolo

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    No he's usually very fair to nadal. This is just a moronic thing to say and I am surprised he said it.
     
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    I disagree with the its more mentally than physical
    But i do agree that nadal should rescheule
     
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  11. That's about as unprofessional as the man can get. Completely uncalled for and disgusting.
     
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    Sorry but that's just pure BS IMO.Sure Nadal might have been mentally drained a bit from all the pressure that comes with being number one and from his shock loss at FO but Nadal is one of the biggest fighters in tennis I've ever seen.I'm 100% sure that if he was physically fit(or even close to being it)he would have tried defending his title.Normally I have a high opinon on Cahill as a tennis expert but this time I think he's definitely wrong.
     
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    He did say that though. He wanted to kick Nadal's bottles over to see how Nadal would react. He has always been a Fed/Hewitt fanboy from what I've seen though he hides it pretty well. But occasionally he says some very anti-Nadal comments. Listen in closer.
     
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  14. bolo

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    I agree he said it, I don't think it means anything.
     
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    What a fool.

    I guess Sharapova's shoulder injury was mostly mental too, eh Darren?

    Hey, I had knee problems. Knee problems are not mental or psychological. You simply can't bend it the way you need to, and you can't make sharp starts and stops the way you want. You're slow and late. And it hurts every time you do things correctly. I can't imagine playing five sets of tennis on swollen, aching knees.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed out until the US Open.
     
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    at least darren is talking some sense.
     
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    Do you really think that Rafa skipped Wimby,the most prestigious of slams,where he has 2000 points to defend, becoz of some "psychological reasons"?
     
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    I think he phrased things poorly. We've seen Nadal overcome injuries before through pure determination. Nadal's probably mentally exhausted and completely unable to overcome any sort of injury right now. He's not denying that Nadal's injured, he just seems to be saying that there's no real fight left.

    And, pre-emptively: I do believe Nadal's injured, and although I'm sad he'll be missing Wimbledon, I'm glad he's resting properly.

    I believe Cahill actually retired due to a knee problem that may have been chronic. I don't think he needs that explained to him.
     
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    BS. If Nadal says he is injured why not believe it?
     
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    Yes, and how does one separate the physical from the mental? If I'm injured my head is going to be whacked. I think Darren has gone a bit out on a limb with this controversial opinion, as he hasn't seen any medical reports, and doesn't live in Rafa's shorts, as far as we know. :)

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    ''It's impossible to explain what I felt in that moment," said Nadal, who made a tearful ascent to the VIP box to celebrate with his family before making his way over to the royal box where he was congratulated by members of the Spanish royal family. "I'm very, very happy. It is a dream to play on this court, my favorite tournament, but I never imagined this."

    This was his reaction last year and he has stated many times the significance that winning wimbledon had for him, I don't think that he would pull out if he had a chance to defend his title. It seemed to me that he was ok with his French open loss, he was even joking during the press conference. I respect Cahill, but this time he went way overboard
     
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    Cahill is the biggest troll on TW.
     
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    I do think there's more to it than just his knees.
     
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    I am not sure you are right , IMO its a case of a bit of both ..
    If you are not well enough physically the psycholgical effects follow. .. Darren Cahill ( of Hewitt and Agassi coaching -fame)has been around longer than Toni and Rafa as a player and then as a coach so he tends to know waht he is talking about.

    Having said that i hope Rafa will comeback soon..but i have a feeling he is burnt out a bit and could become the new Bjorn Borg .
     
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    agreed. WTF kind of idiotic comment to make about a guy who's busted his ass getting to number 1 in the world and owning what most consider to be the GOAT in their head to head.
     
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    I don't think that Cahill was saying that Nadal's recent losses have gotten to him and that his loss at the French has mentally affected him...

    What I gather from this is that Cahill is of the opinion that Nadal's injury makes him much, MUCH less confident in his body and in his game, and confidence is a huge part of any players game. If Nadal could get out there and play a bit, but he questioned every step he takes, he won't have a whole lot of success.

    I don't think that Nadal is anywhere near fully healthy, but I do think that this is not 100% physical. If he can't trust his legs completely, then that will be in his head and it will affect his play. With that said, he needs to take a bunch of time off and try to completely kick this injury, or get as close to 100% healthy and pain free as he can.

    One thing is for sure, his game is amazing, but it's taken its toll on his body.
     
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    HE surely is injured. I think Cahill is just saying it's more than just the knees contributing to the decision. I tend to agree.
     
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    I'm not saying Cahill's right, but one way to look at this is champions don't want to enter a fight they know they can't win, and obviously Nadal knows he can't win, so the motivation would certainly be lacking.
     
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    Regardless of how you feel about him, he been around. He's been around for a long time. He coached Hewitt to #1 and coached Agassi to #1. So he coached the youngest and oldest #1 in ATP. Fed wanted to hire him but the two of them didn't agree on something so the deal was off.
     
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    Yeah I'm sure Cahill knows a lot more than the bunch of you lot.
     
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    cahill was federer's biggest critic for a long while.

    everyone has been talking about federer's psychological tribulations since last year..its now nadal's turn.

    you can bet there is a psychological component to it. nadal admitted it. but im sure he is legitimately injured.
     
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    Cahill just proved you wrong.....

    "When I come back, I want to come back with 100% mentality and physical [...] The problem right know is, when I am playing I am thinking more about the knees than about the game, so it's very difficult to play well like this." RN

    Watch the vid, even Nadal says that his problems are both physical and mental:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ViOIsJGy0
     
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    I wonder what evidence Cahill has as the basis for this criticism. The guy interviewing him totally blew it when he said "Let's focus on the physical aspect."

    What he should have said is, "That's a serious criticism against a guy who's normally considered one of the toughest mentally in the game. What makes you think his current problems are psychological."

    Maybe Cahill has information we don't.
     
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    He needs to get into his place.
     
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  36. bolo

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    Only possible explanation that saves cahill.

    I noticed that too, but imo he did that to try and save cahill from looking like a further ass.
     
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    No he is saying more than that. He is saying it's more psychological than physical. He ends it with "to be quite honest" cahill knows he is saying something controversial.

    THe announcer makes a crack in response as well, "this just in, knees are important". lol
     
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  38. Al Czervik

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    It is fair in the sense that Rafa is saying I am taking my ball and going home because I can't win the whole thing. I expected Rafa to be the type of guy that if he could even walk, he would do anything to be out there to defend his crown. I guess I was wrong.
     
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    If you listen to Cahill's comments in context, I think by "mental" problems he means burnout, and perhaps that Nadal is worrying about injuring his knee even more.

    Nadal said that it wasn't so much that he was in severe pain when he was on court. It was more that he was worrying about his knees, instead of thinking about his match.

    A knee injury like that does make one a little tentative.
     
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    He stated he's constantly thinking about his knees... which are apparently in pain. If one wants to call that a mental problem then so be it.
     
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    :lol::lol::lol:

    Perhaps, he's been visiting the forum too much lately.
     
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    What a failure!! This is just terrible to see nadal is already breaking down. To anyone who thought that nadal would pass both sampras and federer for most grandslams....YOU GOT TO BE OUT OF YOUR MIND!!! I think nadal will get only one more slam. It is only time till king roger will retake his spot as the #1 in the world.
     
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    OK, troll. Next time, address the subject of the thread.
     
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    how many weeks has nadal been as #1? one loss at a GS and he is drained? he is drained out and yet he is the biggest fighter?! you must be one of the nadal haters that drakulie mentions.

    may be it is just that he looks menacing and dresses to back it up. sure he had some matches where he fought back from deficits, but which pro has not done it?

    how can he be the toughest player mentally (some here claim he is GOAT in that dept)?
     
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    It ain't that simple.Yes I'm sure a player like Fed for example might have participated even if he was in the same health situation as Nadal because he has much better serve(much more free points off it) and can play much more agressively from the baseline but for the guy like Nadal for whome no matter how much he improved over the years(and he certainly did improve by quite a bit)his amazing defense and tenacity to get to every ball still remains the foundation of his game,if he can't do that to the best of his ability his chance to win decreases quite a lot.So why should he struggle and try to win a few rounds when in the big picture he's better of trying to rest and heal his knees?

    So IMO his decision to rest and heal and probably make a strong charge for USO latter this year is the wisest he could make at this moment,playing a few round and risking aggravating the injury further(which with Nadal's playing style is a strong possibility)would be wrong IMO.
     
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    Sorry bud all i am saying is that the withdraw is because of the hard clay court season that he plays before the french open. If he is going to withdraw becuase of a loss in the french it shows he is mentally unstable. Sure Darren Cahill dosent like nadal but i dont think he is completely right in saying that its a mental thing.
     
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    I'm speculating,obviously I can't know for sure.But maybe loss to Soderling did affect him mentally,it ain't easy losing a slam you've been dominating for years.Fed losing Wimbledon affected him as well,I consider them both to be mentally tough but they're still humans.

    I still don't think that's the main reason Nadal withdrew so I don't share Cahill's opinion.
     
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    That's not what you said. Here, read it again.
     
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    How many people here actually listened the clip before posting a response? Cahill mentioned that it was a combination of both, and of course mental and physical burnout go hand in hand (Look at Djokovic) and nobody neglected to mention the "personal issues" that Nadal alluded to earlier this year during the hardcourt season (the possible divorce between his parents can certainly be one of them, and given the closeness that Nadal has to his family, divorce can certainly prove to be a mental strain etc)

    Cahill is in no way saying he doesn't believe in Nadal's injuries etc, he just thinks that overall, there's more to it than just the tendinitis itself.
     
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