Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Amelie Mauresmo, Mar 31, 2013.
This, in letters 1000 feet high.
This discusssion seems a bit one sided.
It looks like Ferrer could exist only in one of the two states defined by fragility and toughness;-)
Maybe he's just not good enough. It's not like Ernie Gulbis who has all the weapons and height and yet still chokes against the top 4. Ferrer is a midget in a giant's game.
But that's the point because Murray is from a ENGLISH SPEAKING WESTERN NATION the Anglo Saxon media USA and UK hype him up and spread this lie that's he's as good as the other Europeans Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic.
Even though Murray isn't American he's still from a English language speaking country so the USA media like the UK media have to hype him to the maximum. They don't like that their players aren't dominating tennis anymore.
The truth is in the results a 1-5 record in slam finals and he's NEVER reached number one either. Murray also has one slam while the other three top players have six or more there is a huge difference between them and Murray.
At the end of 1984, there was a man with a 1-5 record in slam finals. His three biggest rivals had won 11, 8 and 7 slams, for a combined total of 26 slams (in an era when most of the top players didn't play the AO).
This man stood in a roughly equivalent position to where Murray is now, although his three greatest rivals have won 17, 11 and 6 slams, for a combined total of 34 slams, in an era when everyone plays the AO.
As you all know this man's name was Lendl.
Point is, it's too early to write off Murray as not being an all-time great at this stage. And even if he doesn't become one, he will still be remembered as the first British man to win a slam for 76 years, breaking a mental hoodoo which very few other competitors from other nations will have had to face.
What a miracle! A thread started by Amelie Mauresmo that isn't about saying that player A or B is homossexual.
Ferrer is an enormous choker, I'm not sure why people think he's mentally tough
There is no such thing as 'Anglo-Saxon media'.
Lol...don't make me laugh. Since when do the USA media hype up Murray? They don't give a stuff about Murray!
Okay. Well, in that case, Djokovic is not as good as Federer and Nadal. After all, they both have double figure Slams. Djokovic has only 6. Clearly he is not in their league. Obviously it is only the Serbian and Eastern European media that are hyping Djokovic to be the equal of Federer and Nadal when this is clearly not the case.
Meanwhile, Nadal is clearly not as good as Federer. He only has 11 Slams. Federer has half as many again, plus he has 6 WTF titles. Nadal has none.
Obviously it is only the Hispanic media that is hyping Nadal to be as good as Federer when this is clearly a lie.
You just can't trust ANY of the world's media can you? They ALL lie about their favourite players!
Nadal is 5 years younger than Federer which easily explains the 6 fewer slams at this point, and makes it virtually meaningless. Plus Nadal is an undisputed surface GOAT which Federer is not, is a multi slam winner on all surfaces including his worst which Federer is not, has made Federer his personal slave since he was 17 years old, especialy in slams. In the other cases you are probably correct, as Djokovic, Murray, and Nadal are almost virtually the same age.
OP: go to florida with 100% humidity and 85 degree weather and play against the ultimate fitness master in murray and we'll sit back and see how mentally tough you are
It's okay. I was just poking fun at Amelie Mauresmo and his/her paranoid conviction that only a conspiracy of the 'Anglo-Saxon' media is 'hyping' Murray to be mentioned in the same breath as the other 3 top players!
Andy Murray is not going to have the career Lendl has the difference between Lendl and Murray is he has the mental toughness Murray lacks. I think Murray can win a couple more slams but I doubt he's going to be as successful as Lendl in his career.
Novak Djokovic is going to win more slams A LOT MORE.
The difference is having SIX SLAMS is an amazing accomplishment Boris Becker and Stefan Edberg have six slams and they both reached number one just like Novak Djokovic.
Novak is going to win MORE than six slams he's going to win plenty. Djokovic is only 25 he's in his prime and he's getting better. Federer is getting old he should be gone by the end of next year.
You may well be right about Djokovic.
But why are you so certain Murray won't accomplish more? He's exactly the same age and he's now in the no.2 spot.
The difference is I believe Djokovic is BETTER than Murray he's already proven it. Novak has the mental toughness and the aggressive game that Murray lacks. Everything Andy Murray can do Novak can do 10 times better. Novak is a superior athlete, he's more charismatic, attractive, while Andy Murray is ugly and not as talented.
Yeah, there have been matches where Ferrer has lost badly to the top 4, but in a few instances he has been up atleast a set or close to it (vs Nadal at Barcelona '12 F, vs Djok at USO 12 SF, and more recently vs Murray at Miami '13 F ) but couldn't close the deal and then fell away.
Well, we've been down this road before haven't we? Murray is no good because he's 'ugly' and all that stupid nonsense!
You are a hopelessly biased and prejudiced person with ridiculous and paranoid notions about players you personally choose to hate. It is absolutely impossible that you could ever write a fair and impartial comment about Murray and therefore your conversation and opinions have absolutely no merit or worth whatsoever.
However I shall now put you back on my Ignore List so that I don't have to waste anymore time trying to have a sensible conversation with you!
Fair enough, but you have to agree I am right, atleast on the Federer-Nadal part.
Yes, Mainad, you are right. The sooner you realize Amelie M is an obnoxious and hateful clown with a double digit IQ the better. This guy won't ever argue properly. He is a massive hypocrite who has a history of making hateful and bigoted remarks.
His comments about Murray are way out of line (somewhat being ugly and lacking charisma is meaningless to their chances of tennis success) but this thread title is not exactly out of line or even wrong at all. Ferrer is hyped for his supposed amazing mental strength, and it certainly isnt that. He is only mentally strong vs weaker players or headcases ranked below him. He is overmatched technically but also very weak mentally vs Federer, vs Nadal on clay (which is almost all he has played him on since 07, and the one time he didnt he capatilized on very injured Nadal), and as this match showed he is even very weak mentally vs the only one in the top 4 he has a decent record against. Embarassing for the ATP to have a player not with only relatively limited skill set (for a top 4 guy) but with a relatively weak champions mentality to go with that. Once Nadal plays Wimbledon and is back ranked above the much inferior Ferrer it will be a great day for mens tennis, something even Nadal haters have to concede.
Yes, I do agree with what you are saying. I think there was a thread a few months back that claimed that Ferrer was mentally stronger than Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.The only reason he lost was because he is a hard worker with no talent. It is not true at all. Ferrer grinds a lot so many people immediately assume he is an unflappable competitor.
Ferrer maintains intensity throughout the match even though he is getting his butt handed to him. When Djokovic started hitting the ball like prime-Safin in the AO SF this year, Ferrer did not make any adjustments. He kept trying to loop around forehands and got punished over and over again. I think his body language and press conferences tell the whole story. He never feels like he has a real chance. I think a few years ago at the WTF, he was asked who would win WTF and Ferrer immediately said that Federer or Nadal. Every other player (Roddick, Soderling, Djokovic, Berdych, and Murray) said "Me" or "hopefully me" LOL.
Hey, it might be delusional and cocky, but you want to see guys in the top 8 be confident in their abilities.
Maybe Ferrer is just happy winning his 250 and 500 titles, never too often in the spotlight and defeating 90% of the players above him? He's having a great life; travelling across the world, making plenty of money and playing a sport he loves as his full time job. Doesn't sound too shabby, does it?
it's only against the top three* players that ferrer feels this way, inadequate (it hasn't developed to that extent against murray).
against everyone else he is mentally solid. he was pretty much out of the match against Almagro during the aussie open this year and was being hit off the court, but he stayed focused and won the mental battle.
ferrer has had some rough losses against federer and nadal (also has the spanish thing with nadal). very difficult to expect him to overcome this, but he has shown that when he gets an opportunity he can close things out (e.g. against an injured Nadal at the aussie open). recently, he has had a painful loss against djokovic and another one against nadal. this creates a big mental barrier.
against murray, it's not so much mental. they're pretty competitive against one another. just the normal important match tension. ferrer is mentally tough against everyone else, even when down a set or two, he can come back and win.
* Federer, Nadal and Djokovic. Top in the sense of best, not current ATP rankings.
What a fantastic little rant. So Murray is ugly? I am not qualified to express a view on that, maybe he's feckin hideous - but I seriously doubt he's uglier than you.
I heard that you look like your face was once on fire and someone beat it out with a golf shoe. I also heard that when you were a baby, your mother put shutters on your pram and that a person had to be 18 to look at you. I don't however, believe the story that your mother had to tie sausages around your neck so that the dog would play with you.
This post needs framed.
Batz you should give up your day job.
He was well on his way to beating Novak in the USO semis last year before the organizers shut down that match.
It was only the 1st set.
And that is like saying Djokovic was on his way to crushing Nadal at last years RG final when the organizers halted the match. Djokovic had won 8 straight games when the match was called off.
Ferrer feels he's on par with Murray, hence their matches are relatively close, especially when he's confident.
As for the other 3, Ferrer feels inferior to them, which makes it very difficult to overcome, because he feels like he doesn't deserve to win. Personally i can relate.
I've always really rooted for Ferrer against the top 4 in the last brackets of tournies. But man keeps letting me down
ferrer is a pretty tough competitor, but not that good a big point player ... there is a difference that many don't get ....
to illustrate, take another example ......... safin, many times , he was pretty inconsistent and not that tough a competitor day in day out .... But when focussed, he was a darn good big point player ......
of course play on big points has to do with ability as well ... but I've seen ferrer tighten up far too many times on crucial points instead of staying focused/confident in his own abilities ...
Ferrer could win last day with Murray for one base line ball.
This not mental problem, this is tennis.
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