David Ferrer vs Micheal Chang

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  1. Loose Cannon

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    I was on to something.


    We had weirdos shooting down my thread by saying it was a horrible comparison....and should have used hewitt or someone....cant recall
     
  2. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    I almost never agree with you Loose Cannon, but this is the exception.

    A lot of ppl can't reconcile the idea that modern players are at a higher level than those of the past, that's all..
     
  3. BeHappy

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    Well is Ferrer better than Murray? After all, he has a bigger forehand and he gets his serve in 65% of the time.

    The answer is no, because he is nowhere near as fast. Chang was just like Andy Murray, big first serve but very low first serve percentage, pusher groundstrokes and lightning fast.
     
  4. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    well, they are 5 - 5 on all surfaces...
     
  5. BeHappy

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    Well if you think Ferrer is as good as a former world no.2 and a 3 times major finalist in Murray, it isn't hard to see how you think he is better than Chang.
     
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  6. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    I have just been fortunate enough to see Murray, Ferrer AND Chang play live quite a bit. Tennis has moved on...
     
  7. BeHappy

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    You think Ferrer is as good as Murray.

    /thread
     
  8. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    I missed where I ever said that? I merely observed they are 5 - 5 head to head on all surfaces with the most recent match going to Ferrer.

    I do think they are both better than Michael Chang in absolute terms.
     
  9. BeHappy

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    I asked you who you thought was better and you said:


    Clear cut. Don't try to backtrack now.
     
  10. Loose Cannon

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    I kind of feel that way......ie dont think Borg-Laver would have a fun time out there vs some of todays guys....


    Anyways..I meant cause they are short, quick very great defensive guys who beat people with their will. Wasnt even really comparing certain shots


    Thanks for the relucctant co -sign lol
     
  11. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    *edit, this was meant for BeHAppy..

    do you have a bit of a cognitive deficiency?

    how is that an answer to your question in any way?

    I just stated their head to head!!!

    Your whole Andy Murray proposition is a strawman, anyway! This is a thread about Chang and Ferrer, whre Andy fits in to the picture is utterly irrelevant. As a matter of fact, I totally disagree with your assessment of his tennis. He has HUGE shots, he just goes on the defensive a lot which causes the ignorant to label him a 'pusher'. His record is far superior to Ferrer's, but it is interesting that the head to head is dead even.

    Still has no relevance to the original discussion...
     
  12. BeHappy

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    Because that was the answer you gave to my question.

    The "Well" you opened that statement with, and the "..." at the end made your intentions clear.

    Your backtracking is pathetic.
     
  13. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Backtracking? from a statement of fact regarding a H2H? Hardly, that statement stands, but it has no importance as I hadn't even considered the question!

    Andy Murray has no relevance to this thread, none, zero, so why introduce him at all? It would be like asking if you consider, say, Mats Wilander to be better than Chang, it just isn't relevant!

    However, I have now 'answered' you, since that seems to be important to you. But I can't 'backtrack' from something I never said, now can I?
     
  14. BeHappy

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    When that statement is placed in the context of an answer to a question, it's obviously an answer to a question.

    But keep digging... I mean arguing.
     
  15. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    sigh, the statement is a fact premise, as opposed to a value premise.

    if you understood that you would realise how silly you sound..

    so, now my 'answer' is your strawman?

    LOL, you're hilarious, albeit not much of a challenge...

    I even responded to your spurious argument, but you are too busy making a fool of yourslef to notice.
     
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  16. BeHappy

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    Deeper and deeper...

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    Keep going.
     
  17. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    so, you concede you have no understanding of 'argument', then?

    excellent!
     
  18. BeHappy

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    You edited that post after I responded with some internet nerd talk you read on wikipedia that you want to argue with me over, everyone can see the edit time underneath your post. Pathetic.

    Deeper and deeper you go...

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  19. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    No you cretin, it is basic undergraduate philosophy dumbed down so much I thought even you might be able to google it and realise what a fool you appear...

    I was hoping you would do so and crawl off into a corner somehwere, but nooooo
     
  20. BeHappy

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    Sorry, Who's the cretin?

    Keep digging much longer and you'll hit Beijing!

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  21. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    OH NOOOOOOO. I did a typo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (throws self out window)

    any chance you might engage the actual question at all?

    no, thought not..
     
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    You called me a cretin and misspelled in the same sentence. What do you expect?

    Pathetic.

    When you make mistakes, just hold your hand up and say sorry. You'll feel better, really.
     
  23. Loose Cannon

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    Yeah...how did gentleman Andy end up in here?


    He and Chand don''t remind me of each other much at all.

    Chang and Ferrer both have that short, stumpy look.
     
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    Well they're soft hitting retrievers with big first serves and a low 1st serve %.

    Both arguably the fastest players of their generations.

    They've both lost 3 slam finals.

    They both peaked at world no. 2 in the rankings.

    The only difference is that Chang had the luck of Lendl cramping against him, and then facing a net rushing serve and volleyer in the final of RG.
     
  25. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Have you ever watched pro tennis live from court level?

    Be honest, now! :)
     
  26. BeHappy

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    Yes.

    Shouldn't you be in the tennis tips section aping Bungalo Bill's posts and pretending you're a tennis instructor?
     
  27. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    and yet you claim Murray is a 'soft hitting retriever'

    I don't have to pretend anything, I'm easy to find and have no illusions about my meagre tennis skills and my level 1 coaching ticket..
     
  28. BeHappy

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    Murray is a soft hitting retriever. Google the words "Murray" and "pusher" together and you get 826,000 results, with the search suggestions "andy murray is just a pusher" and "Andy Murray Pusher".

    Here's a wall Street Journal article about Murray being a pusher:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704423504575212123667809734.html

    Murray is a soft hitting retriever. His rally stroke is the softest in the top 100 bar Giles Simon, now that Santoro has retired.

    There's nothing wrong with that by the way, but that is definitely Murray's playing style.
     
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    I think Chang should be compared to Andy Roddick, not Andy Murray. Murray is a chump who never won a major, while Chang is an all-time great player same as Roddick.
     
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    BeHappy making more friends I see.
     
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    Roddick is an "all-time great"?
     
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    or Chang for that matter, LOL!
     
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    This is good.
     
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    This isn't to compare their achievements, genius.
     

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