Davis Cup Final 2011 - This Weekend in Seville

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by Love Game, Nov 29, 2011.

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... and the 2011 DC Champions Will Be . . .

Poll closed Dec 2, 2011.
  1. Spain in 3

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  2. Spain in 4

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  3. Spain in 5

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  4. Argentina in 3

    7.4%
  5. Argentina in 4

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  6. Argentina in 5

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  1. Love Game

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    thanks, Andres! i've made that mistake in interpretation before, and now i remember why ... the original percentages actually referred to the portion of total matches played on all surfaces to those played in that 5-year period on clay ... pfffft sorry about that

    ahhh so monaco is a little bit better on the clay (statistically insignificant, tho) than nalbandian (left hamstring in stockholm) ... but for sure pico is in excellent shape atm, and i'm not sure how fit nalby is ... guess we'll find out on saturday


    it probably is ... but atm there are just a couple hours til the first rubber, and i need to take a nap before i conk out ... will read more carefully later and get back to you with any questions if it's not :D
     
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  2. Colin

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    I'd have to go with Spain on this surface even with Nadal's lackluster fall, though I hope it's close enough to see Nalbandian play a live rubber in singles. And if it comes down to a decider, I wouldn't bet against Nalby, despite this year's form because of how much Davis Cup means to him.

    But, ultimately, it's a lament to the fates and not to the state of the team's talent. Playing against Spain at home on clay is a death sentence, just as surely as it would have been if Nadal and his cohort would have been sent like cattle to an abattoir — a Buenos Aires indoor hardcourt.

    I'd like to see the Davis Cup final played in an impartial nation on what I think is the most neutral surface — the medium hardcourt they use at the Australian Open. Those provide for the most interesting matches because they're the most fair matches.
     
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  3. zagor

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    Can't agree, Nadal-less Spain beat Argentina on indoor carpet(!) in the DC final in 2008, they have a deep team, that is hard to deny.
     
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  4. Love Game

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    First rubber to begin in about 40 minutes :)

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  5. Andres

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    While difficult to prove, I think Nadal in that team would had been more detrimental to Spain.

    Here's the logic:
    With Nadal there, Ferrer plays #2 singles instead of #1. Nadal would had faced Nalbandian in the first rubber. Nalbandian was runner-up of MS Paris just a few weeks before, and probably would have beaten Nadal just as easily as he beat Ferrer, specially since he defeated Nadal soundly their two first encounters. Ferru wasn't playing any good back then, losing early at the USO, Beijing and MS Madrid.

    Del Potro would have faced Ferrer, making him a way more vulnerable opponent on indoor carpet than Feliciano Lopez. Del Potro got injured, yet his match with Lopez was extremely close (4–6, 7–6, 7–6, 6–3). Who knows? Maybe finishing off Ferrer quickly, he would't had injured himself.

    While there's no way to prove it, I believe there's a reasonable chance Argentina would had gone 2-0 the first day if Nadal was there.
     
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  6. Li Ching Yuen

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    ****ing weak doubles team, Argentina. Nalbandian has a **** serve.

    Lopez will win the double on his own.

    If Potro somehow manages to get past the chainsmoker, then the Argies would surely be happy to go live in day 3.
     
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  7. Andres

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    Verdasco-Lopez, according to DavisCup.com, has lost 10 of their last 11 matches.

    Schwank reached the RG finals this year, and he was also a runner-up at the USO playing mixed doubles, I believe.

    I expect (or wish?) Argentina to win the doubles, at least
     
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  8. Li Ching Yuen

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    They ruined Tsonga/Llodra (which are a fantastic pair) on clay earlier this fall. That's all you need to know.
     
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  9. Lsmkenpo

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    It will be tough for Monaco playing with a bruised right glute.
     
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  10. zagor

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    It's possible that that scenario would have played out but it still shows the depth of Spain's DC team, they prepared a very fast surface to counter Nadal yet Lopez plays some of his best tennis in those sort of conditions and Argie's choice of surface kinda backfired on them. Of course things might have been different if Nadal played or Delpo missed WTF in 2008 or something.

    Point is, Argentina playing Spain in fast conditions is not a slam dunk the way Argentina(or anyone basically) playing Spain on their turf (slow red clay) is. As much as I'd like to see Nalbandian finally win DC title(something which he values more than anything)I don't expect that to change this time around, Spain is too tough at home.
     
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  11. Andres

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    They 'ruined', meaning losing 1-6, 2-6, 0-6?

    With you, I dont know whether you're joking, trolling or just being sarcastic, have to confess.
     
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  12. Outbeyond

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    Rafa's back in business here. Looking very good:)
     
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  13. SLD76

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    he looks....decent to me. not overbearing.
     
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  14. Outbeyond

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    He doesn't have to be overbearing, LOL.

    You GO, Rafa!
     
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  15. Li Ching Yuen

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    Nadalito is a clay beast.
     
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  16. Outbeyond

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    whoa, what a SHOT!
     
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  17. Li Ching Yuen

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    Tell me, are you excited?
     
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  18. Outbeyond

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    Sorry to offend you so, sweetie. :)

    VAMOS!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  19. Li Ching Yuen

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    Offended I am not, buttercup.

    VAMONOS!!!!
     
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  20. blackfrido

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    it's too early to celebrate, let's see tomorrow afternoon how the score is..........
    btw, Nadalian is playing good.
     
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  21. iriraz

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    Regardless of surface,Nadal is not making lots of errors.Even when he lost vs Federer at the WTF he made only 8 or so.But hitting through him and making winners it`s really tough on this slow claycourt and getting easy points is impossible.
     
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    i love swamp tennis, eez great
     
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  23. Outbeyond

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    LOL...VAMONACOSSOGONE!!

    Jeez, I may just head to work now and catch the rest on live score. :)
     
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  24. SLD76

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    monaco doesnt have the shots to do damage.

    it will be interesting when/if rafa plays nalby or delpo.
     
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  25. fundrazer

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    More forehands like that one from Monaco please.
     
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  26. SLD76

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    wait, is nalby hurt?
     
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  27. Li Ching Yuen

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    You're a bright character.

    I say go to work. I'll keep you up to date with the score.
     
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  28. Outbeyond

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    Yeah, sounds like a plan! Muchos gracias:)
     
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  29. iriraz

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    Looking at Nadal`s career results in Davis Cup i see he has won 16 of the 20 matches on clay.
    It`s interesting to see that with a few exceptions he played only at home ties.I wonder if in the next year or so Spain doesn`t meet the strong teams at home if Nadal will join or stay away.
     
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  30. vive le beau jeu !

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    ok... monaco in 5, then.
     
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  31. Sentinel

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    Wasn't the Nadal supposed to be like injured or tired or both ?
     
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  32. beast of mallorca

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    That was a great play for both.
     
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  33. dudeski

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    Another Nadal match of course means another proof that Clarky21 has no idea what she is talking about. Does she have any credibility left around here at all?
     
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  34. vive le beau jeu !

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    for sure, he's at -20%, no ?
     
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  35. iriraz

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    Regardless how poorly Nadal has played or felt lately he is in his element on clay and surely couldn`t pass a Davis Cup final at home.
    Certainly if the final was played away,indoors somewhere he probably would have skipped it and Lopez would have been the second choice behind Ferrer
     
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  36. dudeski

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    Does winning 4 games in 3 sets count as playing better than Nadal?
     
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  37. Mustard

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    6-1, 6-1, 6-2.

    What a majestic performance. The King of clay continues to reign :D

    The scary thing is that Monaco played pretty well.
     
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  38. dudeski

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    I am glad we both voted that Nadal will lose 0 sets in two matches. So far so good :)
     
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  39. Mustard

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    Yep. The next rubber with Ferrer vs. del Potro will be closer, I think.
     
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    Would Nalby had a better chance ?? Prolly not.
     
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  41. Cesc Fabregas

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    Wish he'd hit backhand than well more though. That cross court backhand is the key to beating Djokovic.
     
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  42. Semi-Pro

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    When is next match time?
     
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  43. Crisstti

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    Well, that was amazing from Rafa :)

    I think I saw him applaud a point by Mónaco?, don't think I'd ever seen him do that.
     
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  44. Mustard

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    About 5-10 minutes.
     
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    Thanks man.
     
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  46. zagor

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    Now with the massacre out of the way(great performance from Nadal, as Mustard said Pico actually played well and still got steamrolled) the match of most importance for Argies comes up, if Delpo loses they're toast.
     
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  47. Semi-Pro

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    How come I only see golf on all the streams?
     
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    Heart-warming, esp after the heart-break of seeing him losing 3-6 0-6 just a week back.
     
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    You must be living in an upmarket, whites-only neighbourhood.
     
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  50. Mike Sams

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    Again goes to show that Nadal's "injuries" suddenly heal magically when things shift to clay. :D
    Now if he goes back to indoors tomorrow, I suppose he gets thumped again. :D
     

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