Davydenko back to Prince? - Done with Dunlop already?!?

Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by themitchmann, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. gloumar

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    I agree on the nonsense.

    But what is truely sad to me is the fact that companies have been setting up an annual schedule for releasing their "new awesome futuristic technologies" ! (my arse)
    I dt know which of Head Prince or Wilson started it, but THIS is nonsense.

    And why should the companies force players to fit the new cosmetics ? Having the name of the brand on the gear isn't enough ? Of course not, because everyone would want the same old damn stick, to be sold maybe the quarter the price of the brand new one !
    They create the need.
     
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  2. themitchmann

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    ^^^It's all about selling stuff. Racquets tend to last a while. By redesigning or changing the cosmetics, it entices players to switch to a new frame.

    Why release a new model of car every year?

    I'm not a fan of the whole PJ conspiracy...often, it's very misleading to the general public. However, I genuinely believe the better racquet companies are honestly trying to improve their product. I feel like releasing frames every 1-2 years isn't absolutely necessary, but it pushes manufacturers to constantly strive to be forward thinking and attempt to produce better frames.

    On the other side of the coin, some frames are so good and popular that all they really need is an updated paintjob (and sometimes, not even that).
     
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  3. NLBwell

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    What seems sad is that Dunlop should be able to make a specially-made racket for a pro that would be exactly like he wanted. Head seems to be able to do this especially well and I've never heard of anyone leaving Wilson because they can't make an acceptable racket. However, Dunlop can't seem to custom-make an acceptable racket for anyone. Blake, Verdasco, Philipoussis, Davydenko, etc.
     
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  4. CyberInferno

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    I remember being new to stringing, and knots can definitely be a pain. Some things to remember are that you don't have to tie knots that hard for them to hold (especially true of gut where you can weaken the string by over-pulling), and the awl is your best friend with tough grommets.
    I agree. Wilson could easily manufacture a 95-inch racquet with the same weight and balance as the 90-inch, and I think it would help Federer quite a bit with the shanks.
    I think themitchman summarized it well. Racquet companies don't want people sticking with the same racquet for 10 years like the pros do. Roddick said in an interview after losing a tournament that he's played with the same racquet for 13 years. Racquet companies can't rely on the average recreational player breaking frames regularly enough that have to repurchase them, so they need new marketing gimmicks.
    I like your comment on the edit, but some racquets (Federer's, for instance) are literally custom-made to the point that you couldn't take a stock model and make it the same. I believe his specifically has a tighter grommet pattern around the middle.

    I also think you're overrating how much the average players care about their racquets. People like us who are on forums discussing these types of things have far more interest in customizing our frames than the average player. I think tennis players are divided into three categories: people who think the racquet doesn't matter and stick with the same thing until they literally have to switch; people who buy every new racquet on the market thinking that it's "the one;" and people like us who work hard to find a racquet that works well for them then tweak string configurations, tensions, and the frame weight to make the racquet perfect.

    Clearly, to racquet companies, that middle group that will buy anything that looks pretty and advertises improvement is the primary consumer category.
     
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  5. zasr4325

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    True dat. I've seen quite a few, let's call them 'intermediates', who simply buy whichever frame is newest. And you can just tell they told the guy in the store, "I want the one Roger uses". I mean you see these beginners who can barely keep a ball in court trying to use a BLX90, and it just seems so pointless.

    I've never had a problem with pros using older racquets with the newer PJs, as they should be able to get some exclusive things because, well, they're pros, who need to feel absolutely 100% with the racquet they use. I certainly know that if I was a top pro, I would want some benefits such as being able to use whichever racquet I choose, obviously with a PJ, and certain PE shoes or clothing.

    I think certain companies who release new racquets very often are clearly doing it to appeal to that 'middle group', whilst others refreshing every few years are trying to promote longevity. But in reality, most consumers aren't going to stay with the same racquet throughout refresh cycles, simply because it becomes difficult to source the racquet once production is finished. I've just switched to the BLX 95, and I can't really see myself changing racquet for the next few years. And if I did, it would just be the same model in whatever the new line is called. Like from a K95 to a BLX95. Or I'd buy out the entire stock of BLX95s, just for consistency :).
     
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  6. lacoster

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    Duh, everyone knows about paintjobs. My original point is the fact that Prince still has players (Rochus, Spadea, Malisse) that endorse racquets that are a decade old. A good product line manager would have introduced a new mix of traditional frames to replace or refresh those decade-old designs. Or, at least release new paintjobs like the Storm GT series (new PJ this year), NTour (with NTour 2 a year later), and the RD ti-80 (which now has three paintjobs released).
     
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  7. vsbabolat

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    Malisse uses the old Precision Retro MP.
     
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  8. themitchmann

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    Though most of us here know about the PJ issue, there are still some that are not aware.

    I think updating the pjs of the older Prince sticks is a good idea, though I don't think it's entirely necessary.
     
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  9. themitchmann

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    Thanks VS. You always come through.
     
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  10. lacoster

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    It would be necessary if Prince wants to command premium pricing ($180-$200) for their older tour-level sticks. If they want to continue selling Diablos and Graphites for $119/$129 (the price of discontinued tour-level Cortex, RDis, and KFactors), then that's fine. Babolat can refresh a paintjob, keep the specs, and call it "latest and greatest" to charge premium pricing (i.e: new Storm GT refresh/35th Anniv. PD refresh). Maybe if Prince does this, perhaps they can pay more pro players or keep marquee players endorsed with the incremental income they make on those racquet sales (i.e: Sharapova/Davydenko).
     
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  11. themitchmann

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    ^^^I think some players on these boards would prefer Prince doesn't raise their prices on those frames. ;)
     
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  12. baseline_monster

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    I see for one match atleast he had the Dunlop stencil on his blacked out Prince, as this is so obvious, could Prince take action or is it how I believe fine as the frame has no Prince branding other than the holes?
     
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  13. Carolina Racquet

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    Prince has no issue with this because it's a blacked-out frame and he's no longer under contract with Davy. He could actually take a stock Prince frame 'as is' and put any logo on it. There's no law on this issue!

    The issue here is with Dunlop, not Prince. He's got to comply with the terms of his contract with Dunlop, which typically offers an out to a player who can't adjust to their frame. The most liberal contingency here is that he can't play with a competitor's 'branded' frame. That's why he blacked out the Princes.
     
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  14. AlpineCadet

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    Prince can't do much, but they def. don't enjoy seeing their frames being used by him under all that black ink.
     
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  15. baseline_monster

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    I think Prince will be happy with it. As they see it, Davy left them to go Dunlop, now he still uses what is obviously a Prince frame. Just makes Prince look good and Dunlop look bad.
     
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  16. AlpineCadet

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    Yes, definitely, if people can recognize the frame and buy Prince instead of Dunlop, but keep in mind that Davy hated on Prince before leaving them.
     
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  17. Automatix

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    But the truth is that the TT community or at least part of it is aware of paintjobs etc. but most buyers don't have a clue and will go by the info provided by the seller or the producers website.

    Another thing, Davy did experiment with Head frames. So the whole Prince->Head->Prince->Dunlop->Prince roundabout isn't exactly 100% good for Prince. On one hand Davy returns to Prince (like Blake to Dunlop) but on the other hand he's in a search for something else.
     
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  18. jackcrawford

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    Not so, Safin tried to play with Dunlop stencil on a blacked out Head and was forced to cease and desist - you need the company's permission to stencil their product with your label even if blacked out.
     
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  19. junk

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  20. kimguroo

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    he used dunlop rackets and I felt he does not play well since he switch to dunlop. I don't remember any good matches from him recently......
     
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  21. Buckethead

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    Davydenko can do whatever He wants, He can stencil his name on the racket, He can stencil VW on it and He can stencil Dunlop.
    This can't be an issue, and this is not Safin's issue.
    He can go buy a Gamma racket use and put Dunlop stencil, because Dunlop pays him to promote Dunlop whether or not He is using Dunlop rackets. He can buy a mercedes and put the Dunlop Logo on, will mercedes sue him for that??
    If anybody buys Dunlop racket because they see Davydenko with the Dunlop stencil, it is out of Dunlop's hands, who says Davydenko is using the Dunlop stencil not to promote his Dunlop apparel or a bag??
    The only reason why He has it blacked out it is because He isn't sponsored by Prince, but that doesn't exclude him from using Prince rackets. He is a player and He is a consumer, therefore He can buy 100 Prince rackets if He wants and I bet Prince will not tell all the shops in the world not to sell Prince rackets to Davydenko.
    Once Gustavo Kuerten had only the Luxilon stencil on his HEAD racket, did everybody think He was using Luxilon rackets? If so, it's up to you.
    The truth is all these racket changes messed him up pretty badly.
     
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  22. Uvijek Argen

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    He also change string set up, from full bed poly star energy, to gut main, energy cross. That could mess him up too.
     
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  23. vsbabolat

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    HEAD did not even want Safin to put a Dunlop stencil on a blacked out Prestige Classic 600. HEAD was successful in court in getting a injunction against Dunlop and Safin stopping them.

    But Davydenko is with some prototype Dunlop made for him today in Barcelona. NO port holes.
    [​IMG]
     
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  24. themitchmann

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    ^^^He looks really happy with that frame...

    of course, does he ever look happy?
     
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  25. Lemoned

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    It seems like Dunlop let him use Prince racquets until they made a modified prototype for him? He said it gave him a better serve but he couldn't execute his ground strokes.
     
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  26. junk

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    exactly my question - i don't see any prince port holes so wonder which racquet is that?
     
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  27. junk

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    the racquet in this picture (used in Dubai) which looks like Davydenko's old trusted Prince Ozone Tour doesn't look the same as the racquet he used in Barcelona
     
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  28. themitchmann

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    Probably a Dunlop prototype. They're probably trying to make something he likes as much as his Prince.
     
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  29. THESEXPISTOL

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    The racquet looks a lot like the O3 tour without holes.
     
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  30. forthegame

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    Davydenko should sort out his head, then his racquet, in that order!

    He never really looks happy so it's tough to know if the new racquet was bothering him in his match/collapse.
     
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    It's a Radical Tour, he's going the same route as Sharapova!
     
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