Davydenko in his prime or Ferrer?

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  1. UKTennis

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    Who's better?

    Davydenko Stats:

    Career prize money:$15,150,663
    Career record: 429–271 – 61.5%
    Career titles: 21
    Highest ranking: No. 3 (November 06, 2006)

    Grand Slam Singles results
    Australian Open QF (2005, 2006, 2007, 2010)
    French Open SF (2005, 2007)
    Wimbledon 4R (2007)
    US Open SF (2006, 2007)

    Other tournaments
    Tour Finals W (2009)
    Olympic Games 2R (2008)

    Ferrer Stats:

    Career prize money:$14,658,460
    Career record: 470–242 - 51.4%
    Career titles: 16
    Highest ranking: No. 4 (February 25, 2008)

    Grand Slam Singles results
    Australian Open SF (2011)
    French Open SF (2012)
    Wimbledon QF (2012)
    US Open SF (2007, 2012)

    Other tournaments
    Tour Finals F (2007)
    Olympic Games 3R (2012)

    Although Ferrer reached no. 4 in 2008, he's clearly played his best tennis the past year. I think Ferrer of this year versus Davydenko of 06/07 would have been a very close match.
     
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  2. Tennis_Maestro

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    Denko has the better majors record, that's clear to see. He also is the more talented, IMO ... Ferrer's consistently pretty good and play's to atleast 80% of his best all the time, Denko, Denko rarely touches 60% of his best, especially now a days.

    When he is on, he is on, Denko atm is playing, 70% to his best. I remember when he ousted Nadal @ a masters final ... and remember when he cruised to the World Tour Finals title in London? The guy's too sic when he's on.

    Match fixing and motivation has costed him though. Definetely should have won a slam, unfortunately the Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and Murray era has costed him ... ofcourse he was around when 3 of these 4 wernt a force but there was still that factor of Federer in his prime.
     
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  3. 6-1 6-3 6-0

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    Davydenko fared better against Nadal (leads 6-5) than Ferrer did against Nadal (trails 4-16), so is more prone to troubling the top players.

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    You sad, sad fellow.
     
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  5. Sabratha

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    Davydenko has never been ranked #2 in the world.
     
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    I'd watch peak Davy over peak Ferrer any day.
    At his very best he was a threat to the big boys, Ferrer much less so in my opinion.
    Loved Davy's ability to create wonderful angles and his clean hitting.
     
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    Who, Davydenko? Sorry, I'm not sure if Davydenko is sad or not, though he might be since his ranking has dropped, but since he has a leading H2H over Nadal I'd imagine that he's pretty happy.
     
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    Davydenko has never been nº2 in the rankings.

    EDIT: Sabratha was faster.
     
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    Some of the other stats are wrong, too. Ferrer's win percentage is 66.01%, not 51.4%.
     
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  10. UKTennis

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    Apologies if the stats are wrong, copied and pasted from Wikipedia. Will edit.
     
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    Also, Davydenko's win percentage is 61.3% (or 61.29%), not 61.5%.
     
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  12. mattennis

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    Both have 4 GS SF, Davydenko has 6 GS QF and Ferrer 5 GS QF. Hardly any difference there.

    Davydenko won 3 M-1000 though (won all his three finals), whereas Ferrer has never won a M-1000 (lost all his three finals).

    For me Davydenko was more talented and dangerous when he was on.

    Ferrer is more steady.

    Both choked countless times when leading (or in very close important matches) against the top-4.
     
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    I also agree that Davydenko was the more talented player. However I think both Murray and Djokovic are comfortably better players than Davydenko at his peak, and in today's era he would be fighting it out with Ferrer as to who gets the fifth seed spot. I always remember Davydenko getting to the quarters/semis of Slams and losing to Federer or Nadal. Much like Ferrer of today. People underrate Ferrer because of his record against the big four, but he's been fantastic the past year. I think it would have been an really interesting match-up.
     
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    Ferrer never chokes, only seen him choke one time against Monfils @ the French Open, never choked otherwise. He always gets thoroughly out-played against the top 4, nothing about choking. Davydenko, slight choker and slight head-case.
     
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    I also think Davydenko is the better player.
     
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    Has Ferrer?
     
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    High

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    Davydenko also beat Federer at the World Tour Finals in 2009 (SF), then at Doha in 2010 two produce 2 victories in a row. But Ferrer has never beaten Federer.

    So Davydenko performs better against both Nadal and Federer than Ferrer does.
     
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    Davydenko, one of the cleanest strikers I've seen, great timing.
     
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    Davydenko won 3 MS and the WTF. Ferrer did neither. That alone separates both careers.
     
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    Objectively Davydenko is the much more dangerous player. He can cover the court about as well as Ferrer but has much more firepower.

    Career wise, 3 Masters vs. 0 would give it to Davy, as would the WTF victory on its own
     
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    Davydenko gets the nod. The objective data (WTF and Masters titles) should be enough, but consider that there were occasions in the past when Davydenko was regarded as a serious pretournament threat to make a slam final, or perhaps even win. That was never true of Ferrer. Most of his best results have felt like overachievements.
     
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    Davydenko the dynamo!
     
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    Lol, Ferrer is closer to Almagro than he is to Davydenko.
     
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    Davydenko. But his gambles wreck his morals.
     
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    Davydenko.

    Also one of the mental giants when getting into tournament finals.
     
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    Davydenko:

    Highest ranking: #3

    Titles: 21, including:

    1 WTF title.
    3 Masters titles.
    1 ATP 500.
    16 ATP 250s.

    Highest GS results: 4 semi-finals.

    Ferrer:

    Highest ranking: #4

    Titles: 16, including:

    6 ATP 500s.
    10 ATP 250s.

    Highest GS results: 4 semi-finals.

    Davydenko obviously has the edge.
     
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  28. mattennis

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    Davydenko highest ranking was nº3.
     
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    Both are notorious choke artists. Davydenko a serious choke artist vs. Federer.. Ferrer a choke artist vs. Nadal
     
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    It would be a great match, I think the surface would be an important factor as they'd be very close. While Davydenko is very fast and hits maybe a little cleaner, the longer the match went on the more you'd start to favour Ferrer and his iron willpower. In fact, what is their head to head? I know Ferrer has improved these last three years while Davy has vanished, but still.
     
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    Davydenko for sure
    And Ferrer is a huge choker the last few years btw
     
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    Davydeno has his share of chokes.. One in particular was that match with Roger in Australia a few years ago.
     
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    You're right, sorry. Made the mistake of going by his Wiki entry. I've amended it. :oops:
     
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    Davy > Ferrer.

    What's up with Ferrer comparing to another player lately? Before he was compare to Roddick which is silly because that's even worse than comparing to Davy. However it was reasonable when compare him to Chang.

    Frankly, comparing Davy to Laver playing in the modern era would be interesting. :wink:
     
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    How so? Chang reached a career high ranking of #2 v Ferrer's #4 and won 34 titles v Ferrer's 16. He won 1 GS and appeared in 2 other finals v Ferrer's best showing of 4 semis. He won 7 Masters tournaments v Ferrer's 0.

    It might be interesting to compare their styles of play but, resultswise, Chang is an even worse matchup for Ferrer than Davydenko.
     
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    Davydenko and it's not even close. At his peak he was far more dangerous to the top tier than Ferrer. Plus, his Masters and WTF wins put him over.
     
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    Denko just bageled Ivo Karlovic, enough said I guess. I bet not many people can claim to have done that before.
     
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    Davydenko is better IMO, Ferrer hasn't really won anything big. Davydenko would also probably win if they played.
     
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    Davydenko on hard court. I mean in slams, granted, he hasn't done much but he's won 3 master titles + WTF. That's definitely better than Ferrer. On clay though I would probably pick Ferrer. OK, he cannot beat Rafa but neither can Davy on that surface and Ferrer has been more consistent in the big clay events.
     
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    Ferrer doesn't choke against Nadal, Nadal is simply too good for him. Half you don't even play tennis so wouldn't understand.
     
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    As much of a machine Ferrer is, Davydenko is just on a class of his own.

    He was a victim of both a Federer with sky-high confidence and his own scheduling mistakes.

    In terms of pure ballstriking ability he is on the level of Agassi, but took the ball even earlier.
     
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    Davydenko is a much better ballstriker than Ferrer.
     
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    This is not even close. On clay i would say Ferrer maybe has little advantage, but on HC-majority of tournaments peak Davydenko would win in straight sets on slow HC, fast HC, indoor HC. Peak Davydenko on any kind of HC is scary player, takes your time, doesn´t make errors, agressive tennis, even serve goes to another level, great ROS, almost no weakness. Ferrer is more consistency guy - but he doesn´t have ,,peak,, form, he can´t play tennis that you would say wow he can beat anyone. Davydenko when is ,,on,, you say wow he can beat anyone.
     
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    Davydenko's best > Ferrer's.
    Hope the funny Russian gets back his A game. At least to contend for the top 5-8.
     
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    Davydenko all the way.

    He takes the ball so early that it's almost ridiculous...gives you very little time to recover from your own stroke.
     
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    Davy. No doubt.
     
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    denko.............
     
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    If anything Davy is the perfect player against a a grinder like Ferrer. Constantly hitting the ball off the bounce and taking time away with that insane ball striking, Ferrer's defense wouldn't be able to withstand it. Probably even on clay. Even Nadal isn't effective, and he does virtually everything better than Ferrer.
     
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    i also think davydenko's peak level is better than ferrer's peak level.
    and as regards their career, davydenko winning the year-end masters (WTF) makes the difference.

    still, credit to ferrer... some years ago, i wouldn't have bet on him reaching the QF of all the slams (i mean career-wise but he even did it in a single year !) which is a respectable achievement, even despite the regretable homogenization of the playing conditions.
     
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    Davydenko, easily.
     
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