Decent powered 18x20 or 16x20 frames?

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  1. MikeHitsHard93

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    I really cannot stand the trajectory of my very open pattern pro open anymore. I find it really hard to flatten the ball out with it, and my ability level really calls for full synthetic. However, full synthetic moves to much with this frame and is too sporadic. So now I'm resorting to a slightly more closed pattern frame, but I still would like some good power. The obvious choice is the blade 98. What are some others? Btw I'm a 3.5 counter puncher.
     
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  2. filphil

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    Vcore 98 or 97(310) is an option if you want the 16x20 pattern with the former being more powerful than the latter.
     
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    Radical Midplus for the 18x20.
     
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  4. P.Floyd

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    Agreed, particularly the Microgel - great racquet! :)
     
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  5. MikeHitsHard93

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    I should add that I could not get into a groove with the mg rad mp...however I enjoyed my demo with the ig rad mp a while back...
     
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  6. MikeHitsHard93

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    Bahahaha shut it! I actually just sold my other MG tonight ;)
     
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  7. lightthestorm

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    BLX Pro Open is 16/19, right? Anyways, plenty of people have open pattern rackets and can flatten their shots. I really think this is a case of you just needing to learn the right technique.

    And for the moving problem, just put the strings back in place between every couple points.
     
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  8. P.Floyd

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    Dude, I don't know why you are over complicating things - get the PDR, it's amazing!
     
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  9. MikeHitsHard93

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    Thanks for the advice. I usually do just move them back, but when you're in the middle of a rally and your strings are moving a ton, I feel like it's just hard to keep it controlled.

    I agree that I'm doing something wrong, but I just can't seem to correct it right now. Besides, I don't like the loopy trajectory of this string bed.
     
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  10. lightthestorm

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    Great choice. String it with 6+ hours ALU Power or Pro Blend and you will be good to go.
     
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    True story... Wish I hadn't sold my pdrgt to my friend...oh well!
     
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    Legit or sarcasm? Lol

    Anyway, still inquiring about the more closed pattern frames as well guys.
     
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    I swear I see a new racquet or string switching thread from you every week. I suggest just picking one and going with it, as you get a chance to get used to it.
     
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  14. P.Floyd

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    Trust me, if you liked the GT you'll love the '12. I think I'm done chasing old original Aeropros; REALLY feeling this racquet.
     
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  15. MikeHitsHard93

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    I agree. And I'm tired of wanting a new frame. However, I've used this pro open for over a year and a half, so I know it well.

    Believe me, I feel sort of reluctant to post these threads. But I really kind of need to. I'm not happy. So should I just pick a random frame? Lol...
     
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    The power is addictive yeah. I find this racket hard to play doubles with though, which is why I sold it in the first place.
     
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  17. P.Floyd

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    Come on man, give Mike some credit, it's way more frequent than that!
     
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  18. P.Floyd

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    Doubles? Seriously?

    The funny thing I noticed about the PDR is that it's actually a joy to play an all-court game. I've had pretty much most of the classics revered on here, and have to say that I haven't played quite the same type of slice/dice game as I do now with the PDR. Amazingly, it has touch!
     
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  19. lightthestorm

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    Just get the 03 White for doubles and be done with it. Solid, comfortable, that was a racket I used in middle school/upper elementary and still carry around because I like it hitting with it.

    You can use two different rackets... some people do. But with 03 White, Pure Drive, Aeropro Drive (rackets I've had over the years), I've done both singles and doubles well.

    PS. I've playtested a couple rackets too. I used the Instinct MP just right off the bat and still did well.... just proves it's 95% you.
     
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  20. MikeHitsHard93

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    Prestige mp with full multi. There. This is the racket that has given me the most confidence ever. When I was demoing, I had this, the ig rad, extreme, and the pure storm. The prestige and rad were very similar, but I honestly could get a lot more power out of the prestige and I served consistent bombs with it. I played against my dad with it, and was on a 14 game losing streak. When I played him for the first time with the prestige, I only lost 4-6 3-6 which is really good against him. He's a pusher with a big serve.

    Anyway, I always hated the price tag and have been reluctant to pull the trigger because it's a prestige...not really meant for a 3.5.

    I'm a sad strange man... Who feels as if he's ruined his reputation on TT.
     
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  21. P.Floyd

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    I guess the demo Prestige MP I received was superficially cracked or something, because it felt absolutely awful to me. Nothing like the IG Rad, or any old Prestige/Pro Tour that I've used. Actually preferred the T315 Ltd. to it by a large margin.

    Why not the 315 Ltd. then?

    Edit - ignore recommendation above - just man up, and get the PDR. Unless you play co-ed doubles or are over the age of 65, this shouldn't preclusively factor into your selection process.
     
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  22. lightthestorm

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    No don't worry bro. I used the prestige mp before... it's a beast. I used it when I guess I was around a 3.5 (8th-9th grade).... it helped me grow tremendously. Great racket... still have it somewhere.

    I personally think that the racket labels (3.5+, 4.5-7, etc.) are BS. Seriously, if you like it, pull the trigger.



    My racket timetable:
    03 White- end of 4th grade to 7th grade
    Prestige Mp-8th to 9th grade
    Pure Drive-10th and middle of 11th
    Aeropro- middle of 11th to current.
     
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  23. VeeSe

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    Haha, yeah I get it, but there's no racquet that's perfect. Every racquet is worse at something than other racquets out there, since there are benefits and drawbacks of everything. If you've tested enough racquets, just go with the one that you feel the most comfortable with and then grow your game from there.

    Or you can keep doing it like you are. Absolutely nothing wrong with that if you are happy with that, but it sounds like you aren't. My opinion is that it's just hard to improve at the best rate that you can if some of your energy is always being spent on adjusting to a new racquet or string or whatnot.

    And if you really are wanting to make a switch to 18x20, I'd recommend the Radical MP as well, but I know you already tried it, so I guess I'm out. The other 18x20 that really stands out to me is the Prestige MP, but Prestiges really demand a lot out of you for peak performance.
     
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  24. RollTrackTake

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    You could try the Dunlop F3.0 Tour. 18x20 pattern. Good power & spin potential for its pattern IMO. I ultimately did not like the way it felt striking the ball. Just too muted. The Tecnifibre 315 Ltd. 18x20 is also a good offering. Low powered but great feel & if you find the proper string/lead set up you'll get your power.
     
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  25. Shangri La

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    BLX Blade 2013 98 has huge power and enormous plowthrough.
     
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    I love the 315 16Main.

    I'm thinking of switching. The 320 is a great racquet as well. Makes me want to try the other Tecnifibre offerings, particularly the 325. Haven't played it, but with an 18x19 pattern, Mike might check it out.
     
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  27. MikeHitsHard93

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    Why'd you switch?
     
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    I enjoy a "muted" feel. I can't stand rackets that are pingy, brassy, buzzy, or vibrate. I like the sound and feel to be dead, while still offering power, some spin, and good control.
     
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    Really? The PD is an ideal doubles frame, imo.
     
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    I think what's most important is getting a racket that gives you the CONFIDENCE to hit out, long smooth strokes, that doesn't hurt your arms, elbow or shoulders.
    I can hit harder with my 500's than my 300's, but confidence is lacking because the ball literally jumps off the racket (500).
    Dwell time is increased on my 300's, so I can hit harder because I can fully swing at every ball, knowing it has a good chance of going IN.
    The mind game can be just as important as the equipement game. For me.
     
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  31. MikeHitsHard93

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    The PDR is just a bit heavy for my doubles game. Its pretty darn good for singles though. The pd I would agree is a great doubles racket.
     
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  32. RetroSpin

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    Mike,

    You could always go up on tension in your current frame or go to a poly hybrid.

    I also have it on good authority that a couple of totally pristine Dunlop Bio200's will soon be available through TW used section. Just sayin...
     
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  33. DirtBaller4

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    Have you demoed any Volkl rackets? They have a muted feel to them. The Organix 10mp may be worth a demo.

    It does have a 16/19 string pattern though. Do you really thing two extra strings is going to make a difference in your unforced errors? I have never been able to tell the difference.
     
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    I demoed the Blade 98 18/20 back in december/january, and i really liked that one. I didnt buy it because i was in the middle of a TE problem,and i was afraid it wasnt soft enough,and or light enough for my shoulder.

    It was great on serves,both power and precision,i hit well on groundies with it even though it had a flatter trajectory than my Vcore 100s i was playing with i wasnt netting them.

    I did get a brain meltdown later and went for the blade 93 due to many positive reviews,especially all TW testers raised it towards the sky,but i forgot i wasnt as good as them and couldnt use it properly hehe.

    In practice i could hit really well with it, but when i had to chase the ball in matches,i framed alot and that was not good either for points or my elbow...

    Then i ended up with the blade team,after demoing the black blade 104,it felt pretty good despite the light weight,solid feel and not overpowered and more room for errors,and best of all, since its low weight it has the possibility to be customized,the 98:s comes at 330+sw so its very limited there.

    I ended up with the Team version just because i found them on sale,and was just more than half the price of the -12 version.

    Its not a 18/20 but it is a 18/19,if you find one availiable for demo i think you should try it out. (That is if you dont like the specs of the 98 18/20)

    Sorry for the long post,i got carried away :)
     
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  36. acura9927

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    I think I have gone thru the entire Dunlop Bio line from last year and I think the Bio 300 Tour is the one for Mike. Its has tremendous control and can create great RHS with a SW of 304. I read someone say on here its the best line drive racquet they have ever tried. I just bought it back after going thru racquet roulette just like many others here.
     
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  37. Carefree

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    I was going to say Rad MP like many other poster. Surprised you thought the Prestige MP had more power.
     
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  38. MikeHitsHard93

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    I actually JUST put in a hybrid and will report back. I thought the 200s had low power?
    Funny that you mention volkls...I have actually demoed the 10, 8, 7, and v1. Really liked the 10 and 8, but I got a lot of arm pain after playing with the 8, and felt like the 10 had too little power and was a tad heavy.

    I actually have tried it a little bit. It had full poly, which is probably why I didn't like it. I think this is due for another demo with multi :)
    I forget, did you like it?
     
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    I have a Bio300T, Ice at 50.
    I also have 4D300's STBite at 47.
    For most 4.0 level players, I'll take the 300.
    For stronger hitters, or higher levels, T, for control and solidity on bigger swings.
     
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  40. MikeHitsHard93

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    That's ok! Thanks for the thoughtful post. This will definitely be in line of sight too, because jackb1 loves it too and we have a similar game.
     
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  41. MikeHitsHard93

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    I demoed this way back when, and actually loved it. I would buy one, but they're discontinued. However, the sweet spot was small due to really tight crappy silk strings.
    Oh yeah, but probably because the prestige had multi.
     
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  42. MikeHitsHard93

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    What do you guys think of the liquid metal radicals power level with multi compared to the mg rad with poly or synthetic? How do they compare?
     
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    I am surprised there isn't a mention of the Head YOUTEK Graphene Speed MP. I think TW's "low" power rating is way off. I found this to have plenty of pop as well as control -- all in an easy swinging, comfortable package.
     
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  44. Bartelby

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    Yonex vcore 98.
     
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    In its stock form he Liquidmetal Radical midplus is quite unstable, but if you don't mind a bit of extra weight, it has fantastic potential. You must add some lead at 3 and 9 o'clock to make it stable, maybe even at 10 and 2, to raise the sweetspot. I also have lead on the throat, and plenty in the buttcap. Plus overgrip. As a result, ended up with 353g, 7pt head light, solid as a rock and very good power if you can handle the extra weight.
     
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  47. ryydman

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    As mentioned...

    Yonex Vcore XI 98 (16x20)
    Wilson BLX Blade 98 (18x20)

    Plenty of power here...
     
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    Been playing around with a lot of sticks. I feel Rad MP is a very low power, control oriented racket. Absolutely great to maneuver around the net and for serves, prob due to low static weight. The Rad Pro has what they call free power but, I've had hard time finding rhythm serving, prob due to technique. Also, high launching trajectory. The Prestige MP has the best balance of power and control. I ended up with PS Tour.
     
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  49. Backhanded Compliment

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    Great suggestion...

    a prestige might require too much swing.
     
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  50. MikeHitsHard93

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    I'm not worried about getting the ball deep anymore. I'm worrie about getting the ball in. Especially on returns...need something somewhat light, low trajectory, but stable.
     
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