Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by 10isDad, Dec 3, 2008.
Is it just me, or is clayton really good at NOT getting first serves in?
May have just been a bad game. But Clayton looks a little thick and a little slow to be as good as some people on these boards claim he is.
Clayton has so much power on both sides
He sure looked a lot better than Klahn though, and according to the ITF rankings Klahn is the 20th best junior player in the world.
BTW thanks for the video 10isDad!
I don't see how you can say he is slow when he got to every ball, apparently he is fast enough. If anything Klahn looked slow.
Klahn has little ways to go, his 2nd serves are still a liability. anyway, very nice quality video. who uploaded that i wonder. ??
Haha,,, Clayton is not thick and he is not slow. but he is not the tallest guy in the world. this becomes a problem when 1st serve % drops. He goes for huge 1st serves all the time so, he has games where the % drops and is vunerable to being broken..
^^^ I was about to say the dude does not look fat at all. Short, yes, but not fat... or slow really.
Is there a way to download this video ??
well good things these two are playing college tennis cuz they wouldn't make a dent in the ATP...so many errors,they looked like they are not mentally focus at all... easy 2nd serve returns errors... wow.. I can't believe they are tops college players...
Holy crap. those guys are insane despite whatever anyone here says
Haha says the kid who wouldn't get a game off of them
very nice crosscourt backhand passing shot alex.
Socal, i know you are a good player. and give these guys a chance. this particular match was played after a grueling weekend at Cal in the ITA regional qualifying. they both made it to the Finals and this was essentially a intersquad match played at Stanford. so i can see why the concentration level wasn't at the highest for both of these guys..
I am surprised how Flat, Klahn is hitting the ball. it is almost as flat as Jimmy connors shots.
The video isn't representative of Clayton's best tennis. Unfortunately, however, it is representative of what's happened to his game since entering Stanford. Started off with a bang and then, after the coaching had taken its full effect, his game started to go downhill.
Are you saying the Greatness of Coach Whitlinger and Coach Gould is actually having negative effect on Alex ?????? and the hacker coach Nick Bolletieri was actually better..?????? HOW DARE you ???:???::twisted:
^^I wasn't really mad, don't worry.....No Worries as they say, LIFE is good..... anyway , does anyone know how to download this video from U-tube ??
^Yes, I do.
Would anyone be able to tell me what raquets each of them are using?
One looks like the K90 and the other looks like the Head Microgel Prestige. I this right?
tell me please.
Alex clayton uses K 6.1 95, 18X20 pattern. Not sure about Klahn,,he uses Microgel Prestige pro, i belive.......oh no, actually he uses the Paint job of microgel,,,i saw this imprint on the throat p360....
Interesting...well thanks m8.
Now if that isn't a GREAT coaching, i don't know what is....
thank you, coach Gould.
thanks for the great video!
What I'm saying is that Whitlinger and Gould are too far removed from the pro tour to be of benefit to a guy like Clayton who has designs on going pro. They're college coaches, nothing more. Bolletieri, on the other hand, doesn't really coach (great motivator and a genius at making a message simple) so Clayton was getting instruction from guys with a closer relationship to the pro tour. He was also in an environment where other players would push him - something that doesn't happen at Stanford.
He would have been much better going to Ohio State, Georgia (not for the coaching but for the competition in squad), USC (same), Florida or even Texas A&M. If he didn't care about getting the best coaching he should have followed his brother to Harvard and got the best education.
Other vids by the same videographer - this time women...
Wow that's some great kick serve (by the dude in the sleeveless)!
Agree with everything til you got to the part where if he followed his brother to Harvard and get the best education ??? what are you talking about ? Harvard is a 2nd rate university compared to Stanford.... and you are only partly right about Coach Whit and Gould not being a top caliber coaches for top level talents. Coach Whit and Gould are still considered one of the very best college coaches in division 1 tennis today. They command great deal of respect from top Juniors looking to play in college tennis. I really think Alex has been partying little too much and lost some of the dedication to maintain and improve his talents to the max. and Yea, the lack of competition in the practice courts does not help.........
Do you know how i can download this video from U-tube ??
why do you want to download?
because U-tube videos have tendency to disappear after a day or two.
1st seven points of the VID all unforced errors....
How's Thacher been coping with the injuries?
I really hope he can use his time at Stanford to improve his groundstrokes to match his serve because if he does he can definitely make a mark on the pro circuit.
Try google. You'll get lots of instructions on how to download.
Try youtube. You'll get youtube videos that will tell you how to download youtube video.
Wow, good video, but I thought these two would be a lot better than they look in this video.
you are hilarious on multiple levels.
Agreed. Neither one of these guys impressed me especially considering what they've accomplished. I have a friend who plays better than both of these guys played in this video. They must have had an off day.
I know you're only half joking about the first part but, just to let you in on a little secret, while Stanford has a good reputation in America and within the academic community, Harvard has a much better one with an international audience. Personally, I think that Harvard's admissions system is abhorrent and their education second-rate in comparison to many of their European counterparts, but that's just my opinion.
As to the second (and more important) point - that's really the problem. Whitlinger and Gould have a good reputation in the college game, but that's it. A guy like Clayton is looking beyond college and needs coaches who can prepare him for that world. They won't! I would also dispute the contention that Whitlinger and Gould command a great deal of respect from juniors looking to play college tennis. Stanford, the educational institution, rightly commands a great deal of respect (more so than Georgia, Florida, etc) but the coaches are only going along for the ride and are just living on their previous ability to entice quality players (not develop them). If they were coaching at Arkansas, Washington or any less prestigious institution they wouldn't be able to entice the top juniors based solely on their coaching resume. Stanford needs to make a clean break and inject some new blood into a system that has run its course.
I've got nothing against the university, but I do think that any programme which achieves success solely through attracting talent (as opposed to organising and utilising talent) is a decidedly poor one.
I think that display was far from their best day.
I might have to agree with you here... those two guys are pretty archaic in the ways they do things... it has happened before and it will happen again...
Most tennis schools really don't prepare any of their players for the WORLD.. why would they? the schools want the success to stay put..all they care about is the WINS .. as long as the program wins,the coach's job are in tact.. I don't know of any college coach who can handle a pro's career,so why do you expect that form Whitlinger and Gould ?
Who is your friend and post a video of him/her playing
from the same camera angle (from behind). Also, how
are you determining that you friend is better? From his
tournament results and/or from you personally seeing him
play and/or hitting with him? Also, what level are you?
This is kind of important b/c since you are the one
judging that your friend is better.
I'll tell him about TW Forums but I'm not sure if he will have the time to put up a video he's very busy with tennis.
I'm a 4.5, the guys in the video are better than I am but not by that much (from what I saw their performance was in the strong 5.0 to 5.5. range) My friend would be a 6.0 and he plays better than those two guys were able to play in the video. I have hit with him but not recently.
^^^ I suppose you have no idea who Clayton and Klahn are then.
then is your friend playing for stanford, georgia, ohio state, anybody? did he? why not if he is better than these two according to you?
if Stanford was to make a clean break as you say,,,,,who did you have in mind for the coaching position ??? Todd Martin ? Nick Bolletieri ? LOL. I do understand your point about some of the older coaches being little out of touch with modern game of Professional power tennis. but Stanford Values Loyalty unlike many other institutions. Coach Whitlinger and family has dedicated their life to Stanford tennis program and he deserves the chance to bring home the title.
Nowhere in my posts will you find any suggestion that the school is at fault. Of course they aren't, they just do whatever is in their best interests. The emphasis of my posts was on Clayton's decision to attend Stanford. It was my contention that, if he wanted to give himself the best chance of a good pro career (I think it's safe to assume he wants to go pro), he shouldn't have chosen Stanford.
How can you not come up with at least half a dozen who know what it's like to play on the pro tour within the last 10 or so years? Any one of those guys, or a ringer like Bryan Shelton, would be ideally placed to handle a guy with pro aspirations.
As far as I can see, Stanford have decided that the position of coach is roughly irrelevant (little more than a Casino's greeter) so, on the strength of Stanford's educational reputation and past tennis glories, they'll just continue to recruit the best players possible, point them at the courts and see what happens. The women's team do exactly the same thing and we've just seen how good their coaching staff is when they don't have the best players at their disposal.
Here's one out of left field - move heaven and earth to get Bryan Shelton.
He ticks every box you could imagine - strong college career, graduated in 4 years (industrial engineering - better than the average coach), solid pro career, excellent college coaching record, won an NCAA team title, knows what it takes to recruit with less and knows what it takes to build a team (also to build one around a stellar player), has coached pro level players (Mal Washington the year he got to the Wimbledon final). Aside from Steve Denton, he has the best pro career or any coach currently in the NCAA. I also think that, after 10 years coaching the GT women's team he'll be ready for a new challenge. He also understands loyalty (which you say is important to Stanford) as he came back to coach at his alma mater opposite his old college doubles partner (the current men's coach).
Whitlinger has had long enough and it's just time to make a change. Of course, as long as you've got Gould hovering in the background as Director of Tennis you're not likely to see any change.
I know who both of those guys are. Klahn and Clayton are both promising tennis players. Clayton, was a former boys doubles US Open champion, along with Donald Young. That's why I was expecting a little bit more from them.
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