Decent vid of Clayton and Klahn

Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by 10isDad, Dec 3, 2008.

  1. 10isDad

    10isDad Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2006
    Messages:
    1,560
  2. SirBlend12

    SirBlend12 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    415
    Is it just me, or is clayton really good at NOT getting first serves in?
     
  3. Lindsay

    Lindsay Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    May 25, 2004
    Messages:
    571
    Location:
    USA
    May have just been a bad game. But Clayton looks a little thick and a little slow to be as good as some people on these boards claim he is.
     
  4. CTennis11

    CTennis11 New User

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2008
    Messages:
    49
    Clayton has so much power on both sides
     
  5. OleNole

    OleNole Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2008
    Messages:
    223
    He sure looked a lot better than Klahn though, and according to the ITF rankings Klahn is the 20th best junior player in the world.

    BTW thanks for the video 10isDad!
     
  6. JMS

    JMS Professional

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2007
    Messages:
    825
    I don't see how you can say he is slow when he got to every ball, apparently he is fast enough. If anything Klahn looked slow.
     
  7. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
  8. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Haha,,, Clayton is not thick and he is not slow. but he is not the tallest guy in the world. this becomes a problem when 1st serve % drops. He goes for huge 1st serves all the time so, he has games where the % drops and is vunerable to being broken..
     
  9. SirBlend12

    SirBlend12 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    415
    ^^^ I was about to say the dude does not look fat at all. Short, yes, but not fat... or slow really.
     
  10. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
  11. SoCal10s

    SoCal10s Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,778
    well good things these two are playing college tennis cuz they wouldn't make a dent in the ATP...so many errors,they looked like they are not mentally focus at all... easy 2nd serve returns errors... wow.. I can't believe they are tops college players...
     
  12. Tikiman53

    Tikiman53 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2006
    Messages:
    480
    Holy crap. those guys are insane despite whatever anyone here says
     
  13. JMS

    JMS Professional

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2007
    Messages:
    825
    Haha says the kid who wouldn't get a game off of them
     
  14. caseyguy59

    caseyguy59 New User

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2006
    Messages:
    78
    Location:
    nj/florida
    very nice crosscourt backhand passing shot alex.
     
  15. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Socal, i know you are a good player. and give these guys a chance. this particular match was played after a grueling weekend at Cal in the ITA regional qualifying. they both made it to the Finals and this was essentially a intersquad match played at Stanford. so i can see why the concentration level wasn't at the highest for both of these guys..:)
     
  16. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    I am surprised how Flat, Klahn is hitting the ball. it is almost as flat as Jimmy connors shots.
     
  17. AndrewD

    AndrewD Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    6,581
    The video isn't representative of Clayton's best tennis. Unfortunately, however, it is representative of what's happened to his game since entering Stanford. Started off with a bang and then, after the coaching had taken its full effect, his game started to go downhill.
     
  18. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    :twisted:
    Are you saying the Greatness of Coach Whitlinger and Coach Gould is actually having negative effect on Alex ?????? and the hacker coach Nick Bolletieri was actually better..?????? HOW DARE you ???:???::twisted:
     
  19. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    ^^I wasn't really mad, don't worry.....No Worries as they say, LIFE is good..... anyway , does anyone know how to download this video from U-tube ??
     
  20. RestockingTues

    RestockingTues Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2007
    Messages:
    771
    Location:
    Fremont, Ca
    ^Yes, I do. ;)
     
  21. G-12

    G-12 Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2008
    Messages:
    300
  22. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    tell me please.
     
  23. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Alex clayton uses K 6.1 95, 18X20 pattern. Not sure about Klahn,,he uses Microgel Prestige pro, i belive.......oh no, actually he uses the Paint job of microgel,,,i saw this imprint on the throat p360....:)
     
  24. G-12

    G-12 Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2008
    Messages:
    300
    Interesting...well thanks m8.
     
  25. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
  26. feyya

    feyya Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2007
    Messages:
    964
    Location:
    on the tennis courts
    thanks for the great video! :)
     
  27. AndrewD

    AndrewD Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    6,581
    What I'm saying is that Whitlinger and Gould are too far removed from the pro tour to be of benefit to a guy like Clayton who has designs on going pro. They're college coaches, nothing more. Bolletieri, on the other hand, doesn't really coach (great motivator and a genius at making a message simple) so Clayton was getting instruction from guys with a closer relationship to the pro tour. He was also in an environment where other players would push him - something that doesn't happen at Stanford.

    He would have been much better going to Ohio State, Georgia (not for the coaching but for the competition in squad), USC (same), Florida or even Texas A&M. If he didn't care about getting the best coaching he should have followed his brother to Harvard and got the best education.
     
  28. 10isDad

    10isDad Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2006
    Messages:
    1,560
  29. 0range

    0range Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2007
    Messages:
    1,706
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2008
  30. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Agree with everything til you got to the part where if he followed his brother to Harvard and get the best education ??? what are you talking about ? Harvard is a 2nd rate university compared to Stanford....:) and you are only partly right about Coach Whit and Gould not being a top caliber coaches for top level talents. Coach Whit and Gould are still considered one of the very best college coaches in division 1 tennis today. They command great deal of respect from top Juniors looking to play in college tennis. I really think Alex has been partying little too much and lost some of the dedication to maintain and improve his talents to the max. and Yea, the lack of competition in the practice courts does not help.........
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2008
  31. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
  32. Mike Cottrill

    Mike Cottrill Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2004
    Messages:
    1,626
    why do you want to download?
     
  33. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    because U-tube videos have tendency to disappear after a day or two.
     
  34. SoCal10s

    SoCal10s Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,778
    1st seven points of the VID all unforced errors....
     
  35. Michael Bluth

    Michael Bluth Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2008
    Messages:
    758
    How's Thacher been coping with the injuries?

    I really hope he can use his time at Stanford to improve his groundstrokes to match his serve because if he does he can definitely make a mark on the pro circuit.
     
  36. 10isDad

    10isDad Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2006
    Messages:
    1,560
    Try google. You'll get lots of instructions on how to download.

    Try youtube. You'll get youtube videos that will tell you how to download youtube video.
     
  37. eeytennis

    eeytennis Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2008
    Messages:
    553
    Wow, good video, but I thought these two would be a lot better than they look in this video.
     
  38. socaltennnis

    socaltennnis Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2008
    Messages:
    186
    you are hilarious on multiple levels.
     
  39. JoshDragon

    JoshDragon Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,235
    Agreed. Neither one of these guys impressed me especially considering what they've accomplished. I have a friend who plays better than both of these guys played in this video. They must have had an off day.
     
  40. AndrewD

    AndrewD Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    6,581
    I know you're only half joking about the first part but, just to let you in on a little secret, while Stanford has a good reputation in America and within the academic community, Harvard has a much better one with an international audience. Personally, I think that Harvard's admissions system is abhorrent and their education second-rate in comparison to many of their European counterparts, but that's just my opinion.

    As to the second (and more important) point - that's really the problem. Whitlinger and Gould have a good reputation in the college game, but that's it. A guy like Clayton is looking beyond college and needs coaches who can prepare him for that world. They won't! I would also dispute the contention that Whitlinger and Gould command a great deal of respect from juniors looking to play college tennis. Stanford, the educational institution, rightly commands a great deal of respect (more so than Georgia, Florida, etc) but the coaches are only going along for the ride and are just living on their previous ability to entice quality players (not develop them). If they were coaching at Arkansas, Washington or any less prestigious institution they wouldn't be able to entice the top juniors based solely on their coaching resume. Stanford needs to make a clean break and inject some new blood into a system that has run its course.

    I've got nothing against the university, but I do think that any programme which achieves success solely through attracting talent (as opposed to organising and utilising talent) is a decidedly poor one.
     
  41. Michael Bluth

    Michael Bluth Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2008
    Messages:
    758
    I think that display was far from their best day.
     
  42. SoCal10s

    SoCal10s Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,778
    I might have to agree with you here... those two guys are pretty archaic in the ways they do things... it has happened before and it will happen again...
    Most tennis schools really don't prepare any of their players for the WORLD.. why would they? the schools want the success to stay put..all they care about is the WINS .. as long as the program wins,the coach's job are in tact.. I don't know of any college coach who can handle a pro's career,so why do you expect that form Whitlinger and Gould ?
     
  43. onehandbh

    onehandbh Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2005
    Messages:
    3,026
    Who is your friend and post a video of him/her playing
    from the same camera angle (from behind). Also, how
    are you determining that you friend is better? From his
    tournament results and/or from you personally seeing him
    play and/or hitting with him? Also, what level are you?
    This is kind of important b/c since you are the one
    judging that your friend is better.
     
  44. JoshDragon

    JoshDragon Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,235
    I'll tell him about TW Forums but I'm not sure if he will have the time to put up a video he's very busy with tennis.

    I'm a 4.5, the guys in the video are better than I am but not by that much (from what I saw their performance was in the strong 5.0 to 5.5. range) My friend would be a 6.0 and he plays better than those two guys were able to play in the video. I have hit with him but not recently.
     
  45. J011yroger

    J011yroger G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2007
    Messages:
    12,334
    Location:
    Long Island, NY
    ^^^ I suppose you have no idea who Clayton and Klahn are then.

    J
     
  46. JMS

    JMS Professional

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2007
    Messages:
    825
    then is your friend playing for stanford, georgia, ohio state, anybody? did he? why not if he is better than these two according to you?
     
  47. Fedace

    Fedace Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    23,292
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    To: AndrewD

    if Stanford was to make a clean break as you say,,,,,who did you have in mind for the coaching position ??? Todd Martin ? Nick Bolletieri ? LOL. I do understand your point about some of the older coaches being little out of touch with modern game of Professional power tennis. but Stanford Values Loyalty unlike many other institutions. Coach Whitlinger and family has dedicated their life to Stanford tennis program and he deserves the chance to bring home the title.
     
  48. AndrewD

    AndrewD Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    6,581
    Nowhere in my posts will you find any suggestion that the school is at fault. Of course they aren't, they just do whatever is in their best interests. The emphasis of my posts was on Clayton's decision to attend Stanford. It was my contention that, if he wanted to give himself the best chance of a good pro career (I think it's safe to assume he wants to go pro), he shouldn't have chosen Stanford.


    How can you not come up with at least half a dozen who know what it's like to play on the pro tour within the last 10 or so years? Any one of those guys, or a ringer like Bryan Shelton, would be ideally placed to handle a guy with pro aspirations.

    As far as I can see, Stanford have decided that the position of coach is roughly irrelevant (little more than a Casino's greeter) so, on the strength of Stanford's educational reputation and past tennis glories, they'll just continue to recruit the best players possible, point them at the courts and see what happens. The women's team do exactly the same thing and we've just seen how good their coaching staff is when they don't have the best players at their disposal.
     
  49. AndrewD

    AndrewD Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    6,581
    Here's one out of left field - move heaven and earth to get Bryan Shelton.
    He ticks every box you could imagine - strong college career, graduated in 4 years (industrial engineering - better than the average coach), solid pro career, excellent college coaching record, won an NCAA team title, knows what it takes to recruit with less and knows what it takes to build a team (also to build one around a stellar player), has coached pro level players (Mal Washington the year he got to the Wimbledon final). Aside from Steve Denton, he has the best pro career or any coach currently in the NCAA. I also think that, after 10 years coaching the GT women's team he'll be ready for a new challenge. He also understands loyalty (which you say is important to Stanford) as he came back to coach at his alma mater opposite his old college doubles partner (the current men's coach).

    Whitlinger has had long enough and it's just time to make a change. Of course, as long as you've got Gould hovering in the background as Director of Tennis you're not likely to see any change.
     
  50. JoshDragon

    JoshDragon Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,235
    I know who both of those guys are. Klahn and Clayton are both promising tennis players. Clayton, was a former boys doubles US Open champion, along with Donald Young. That's why I was expecting a little bit more from them.
     

Share This Page