Define top 4 players prime and peak within the rules

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  1. kragster

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    Given that we are all delusional fan boys, we need some consistent rules in order to not be hypocrites as far as defining primes. Although the reality is that players age/mature/decline at different rates, the only way to have a reasonable argument is to have consistent standards (albeit artificial)

    So here are the rules, PLEASE STICK TO THEM and do not choose your own timespans.

    1.Prime is a continuous 7 yr period of a players life
    2.Peak is a 4 yr continuous period within that Prime


    Here are mine:

    Fed: 2003 - 2009 prime, 04-07 peak
    Nadal : 2006-2012 prime, 07-10 peak
    Djoker : 2008 -2014 prime, 10-13 peak
    Murray: 2009 - 2015 prime, 11-14 peak
     
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  2. Carsomyr

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    I like the idea, but I don't think we can confine prime and peak to a set number of years. For Federer and Rafa, I think you got the numbers pretty accurately, although it's really hard for say for players who we don't scrutinize as closely. Any given player's prime and peak is based on an incalculable number of factors (age, playing style, motivation, etc.).
     
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    I know this isn't going to go over well with the tards, but despite the 'playing style' of Nadal being so much tougher on his body, Nadal's prime/peak may actually be longer than Fed's. And this has to do with the fact that Nadal is a pusher RELATIVE to Federer. Not in any absolute sense of course. Because Nadal plays a much higher margin of error, timing is RELATIVELY not as important as it is for Fed. Peak timing is the hardest thing to maintain which is why I contend Fed's peak years would span a shorter length of time, which is partially balanced by his 'playing style'.

    So for example, I would say:
    Fed's prime is from 03-09, peak from 04-07
    Nadal's prime is from 05-now, peak from 07-11.
     
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  4. kishnabe

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    Fed: 2003 - Early 2010 prime, Grass Peak 03-07, Clay Peak 11, Outdoor Hard Peak 04-Early 10, Indoor Hard Peak 01-Present

    Nadal : 2005-2012 present and future, Grass Peak 06-08, Clay Peak 05-12, Outdoor Hard Peak 08-12, Indoor Hard Peak 10

    Djoker : 2008 -Present and Future, Grass Peak 10-11, Clay Peak 09-11, Outdoor Hard Peak 07-Present, Indoor Hard Peak 08

    Murray: 2008 - Present and Future, Grass Peak 08-12, Clay Peak 11, Outdoor Hard Peak 08-Present, Indoor Hard Peak Never
     
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    And for those who want to call Nadal a baby in 05, well sure he was a baby, but he was a baby born into his prime, he's special. Fed's baby years were many levels below Nadal's.
     
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    Totally agree with what you're saying, the intent is more around having people make a consistent claim that they can stick to.
     
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    kishnabe, why you consider federer's clay peak on 2011? On Rome and Monte Carlo he had very poor performances.
     
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  8. kragster

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    Guys, there is a reason I defined the rules as they are. Once we have this subjectivity then there is no consistency.

    Can we please use the 7 yr prime 4 yr peak rule?
     
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    He beat Djokovic whom had beaten nadal twice in a row on clay, and probably could have pushed the final to five sets at Roland Garros.
     
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    Why never?

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    Hum... I agree, that match against Djokovic was memorable. And he had a trashed leading in the first set. But being defeated to Melzer in monte-carlo and that comeback from Gasquet in Rome can't be forgotten. He was a set and a break up in the second.
     
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    Psychic? Hadn't you heard -- the world ends on the winter solstice 2012?
     
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  13. akv89

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    Seems somewhat arbitrary to pick 4 and 7. Not to mention a player's best years aren't always consecutive.
     
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  14. kragster

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    Yes it is arbitrary but the point of this thread is to understand what people who choose within these confined conditions rather than have people come up with stuff like Tsonga was in his prime in that one match in 08 and then for 2 months in 09 etc.
     
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    Federer's prime: 2003-2007

    Federer's peak: 2004-2006
     
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    Lol @ Federer's clay peak being 2011 just bc the match was closer.
     
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    Peak is too arbitrary to define. Nadal 'peaked' twice and is Djokovic still 'peaking'? Federer has a much longer peak than both, either way, possibly in part to a lack of competition.
     
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    Federer Clay Peak was 2006 ... He almost caught nadal at Rome in 5 setter.
     
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