Deiton Baughman - upcoming US junior?

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  1. VGP

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    I just saw a piece on MSN.com regarding a 12 year-old kid named Deiton Baughman. It described his family's story on getting their son out there on the tennis scene. Seems a potential trailer park to ? story.

    I'm curious if any TTWers out there know of him or his family or even played against him. Not much talk these days of many upcoming US juniors, let alone US junior boys.

    Here's his YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/deitonb1996

    I wish them well and hope they avoid the type of Dokic or Pierce family experience.....
     
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  2. NickC

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    Uh, dude, his father has been posting here for over two years, in case you haven't noticed....
     
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  3. adams_1

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    What ridiculous noises they make.

    Dare I suggest that they are unnecessary?
     
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  4. MichaelChang

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    sorry who is his father?
     
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  5. GUGA410

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    I just saw this video this morning on msn and I can only say "Time will tell"? Deiton and his family along with a coach(not in the video) visited our club about a month ago. They came out to NY to play and be exposed to Eastern's top players, we were told that he took a few games off a tour player ranked in the #400's, my players (currently #1-2 in the 16's) played Deiton and combined he only won a total of 5 games but what does that mean??? Nevertheless he didn't do that well, his warm-up was a little unorthodox too a different approach I guess (sparring like a boxer), Deiton has potential but it's too early to tell. I've been in the tennis industry for over 20 yrs, played on the ATP tour and seen juniors who had potential come and go. Deiton has a bright future Tennis/College with the proper guidance and surrounded by the right people. As far as being the next tennis phenom there are plenty of american youngsters who can be given that title. Great exposure thou I wish him and his family the best.
     
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    BradBaughman. I thought he was older than 12?
     
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  7. MichaelChang

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    Thanks for sharing your experience. May I ask your career high when you on tour?
     
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    I was #624 in 1993. Oh! by the way the coach who brought Deiton to us said he was 14, they told us he was 13, the video says he's 12???
     
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  9. MichaelChang

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    Thanks GUGA.
    So much about hiding the real age of a junior player. Not very surprising :)
     
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  10. VGP

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    Obviously, I hadn't noticed.... :)
     
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    D.B. national record

    Upon further review these are Deiton's USTA National Rankings as of 6/17/09.

    He doesn't have a ranking in the 12's because he's aged out so that rules out that he's 12.

    Boy's 14's National Ranking
    Baughman, Deiton

    Rank: 586 Points: 196 Overall Record: 9 - 9 Residence: Carson, CA

    Boys 16's National Ranking
    Baughman, Deiton

    Rank: 1088 Points: 76 Overall Record: 5 - 6 Residence: Carson, CA

    You be the Judge..... I still believe there are plenty of players who can be called phenoms 585 in the 14's and 1087 in 16's. Deiton is TALENTED in my opinion! All this hype is too early and may end up hurting Deiton rather than help him, especially in his section and other players who know him or played against him. We must always think of the possible consequences of National Exposure and was this way to premature thinking by his parents/coach? Is Deiton mentally ready for the challenges ahead of him after being portrayed as the "Next American Tennis Star? Meet 12 year old phenom"???????
     
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  12. VGP

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    I'm not sure it's his "talent" that's the interest as he's getting his credentials building, it's more his "story" I suppose.
     
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    I saw that piece last night too. The piece seemed a little loaded imho...

    I found Deiton's answer to the question about feeling pressure interesting. I was expecting him to say something about loving tennis and competition and that he wants to win a Grand Slam, but he said something along the lines of how he doesn't mind doing this because he feels like he owes his parents for all they've done for him. It seemed like he more indebted to his parents than anything else.

    I agree with VGP that it is like more about his story and the story of his family.

    I do wish him the best and hope they acheive all they seek.
     
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  14. GUGA410

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    His story is interesting! But if he weren't "a phenom or a top ranked junior player in the country" the second part of his story is oblivious and there is no video/exposure. I disagree with the TITLE of his story and his true story lies in the DAD/former gang banger changing his ways and know supporting his son.Deciding to sell their house and moving into his motherinlaws trailer for his son's tennis career is a huge pressure move for Deiton's to deal with, these sacrifices were made for a pro-career not a college bound player They didn't come from a trailer home first! Dad made a business decision in my opinion. Supporting your child is essential but if my child is not the phenom or the top ranked junior player in country I wouldn't make that move, in tennis the window to stardom is very small like in many PRO sports. Deiton right now isn't that star and his results or rankings are not phenom quality! Would you do the same Knowing his age(13-14), results and ranking? DAD is making this his success story not Deiton's.....
     
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    I have been sparring back and forth with Brad Baughman for 2 years now....in my humble opinion he is simply an egomaniac. All American coaches are worthless and weak, he has the secret to building a world champion tennis player, he and only he.

    The dad is playing games. They came to Florida to the Eddie Herr and Deiton was totally crushed by a 10 year old named Stefan Kozlov. My coaching partner saw that match, said the boy had no answer for Stefan's strategy and nice point construction. Said Deiton hit pretty well but was quite slow and had zero strategic skills for an almost 13 year old. Brad Baughman's answer was than Kozlov was probably lying about his age and was older....nonsense.

    So then dad decided to play Deiton up...the old tennis dad's trick to play up so you never really lose, the other kid is just older. The Deiton lost to the 350th ranked 16 year old. Next plan.

    Baughman then decided to play men's open events and avoid the juniors (his words). Its the classic game, done by tennis dad to avoid the painful truth. Play older players, never play the top kids in your age group. Hides the true ability of the kids for a while.

    By the way, Deiton stopped the junior tournaments about the time Brad started talking about this video piece that was in the works. Obviously to many more loses and the story is not very good. Hard to call a 13 year old a phenom who can't beat low ranked 14-15 year olds.

    Frankly, Deiton is a nice player but not a phenom by any stretch of the imagination, he is very tall for his age so he had a huge advantage as a 10-11 year old. The advantage is quickly wearing off as he moves up in age. He most likely has the game that might lead to a small college career if he works very hard. No shame in that.

    The video shows such a nice boy, to bad dad needs to have his ego stroked. Someone once told me he did this same thing with a daughter years ago until the mother put an end to it.
     
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  16. VGP

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    Hmmm......interesting.

    Isn't playing up a strategy that the Sampras family did with Pete?

    The contrast sounds like Pete's parents weren't involved so much in the coaching but I'm sure they were key in the decision making process.

    ......although the Pete Fisher situation was unusual......
     
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  17. Madhoshi22

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    Sampras did it, Rafa did it, even Richard Williams did it with his daughters (though he took them out of junior competition entirely if I remember correctly).
    The difference with them, is even when they were very young, they stood out among the rest. Looking at these vids, I don't see anything that stands out, that would really make me do a double take. If I were to see him at a national tourney, he would look like the other 63 boys at the tournament.
    He plays in Cali, which is a hotbed for tennis, and even though he's 13, playing 14s, being ranked in the 500's in the nation isn't blowing my socks off at all.

    Bottomline, this kid could have a nice college career, but being called a phenom, or the future of American tennis is a bit much.
     
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    i would hate to watch that kid in the pros what with the annoying sounds. irritating.
     
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  19. freedomtennis

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    no he is 12 years old. Go to tennisrecruiting.net.
     
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    Keep an eye on Denis Kudla. He's a 17-year-old from the DC area. Watched him hit the other day while filming @ the Tennis Center in College Park. The kid definitely has a shot to make some noise.
     
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    wow!!! Time flies. Four years ago the they said division two at best. How does a player with an itf ranking close to 700 get a U.S Open junior wild card? I guess the U.S.T.A sees something big outta this kid?? I mean Deit isn't even a U.S.T.A kid?? I guess Brad knew a little something after all? I just wanna say to Team Baughman CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!! DEIT GOOD LUCK IN NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    You know, there's a whole section for juniors right?
     
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    Deiton is currently ATP #611.
     
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