Del Porto might have won the slam but Murray is still the better player

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  1. Spider

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    People have been overrating Del Potro a lot since he won the US open, I mean Murray has been the second best player, has been more consistent player in the last one year if we compare him to Del Potro. Del Potro was good for two weeks and congrats on him on winning a slam but he was quite lucky to win this slam lets be honest here.

    Murray is still ahead of him in the ranking and in the long run will end up winning more slams than Del Potro.
     
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  2. roddickfan1000

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    rather be JMDP right now than murray
     
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  3. Spider

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    ^^ in a few years everything will be different. :)
     
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    Sorry but JMDP 1 >>>>>>>>>>> Murray 0
     
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  5. roddickfan1000

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    No, my friend, delpotro is 2 yrs younger than murray and is already a better player.
     
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    Sour grapes.
     
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    it's not sour grapes, it's just one person acting stupid.
     
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  8. bhallic24

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    lmfao is this a serious post? How bout we get a poll going if delpo faced off with murray who would you pick? It would be overwhelminging delpo. He'd destroy that little brit.
     
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    What has age got to do anything? In that sense Hewitt should have been a greater tennis player as compared to Federer (and look at them now). It doesn't work that way. People mature at different times.
     
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  10. roddickfan1000

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    rankings lie
     
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    Having said that I respect what he has managed to achieve, great start to his career but all I want to say is let's not hype him like he is the best player or something.
     
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    How the hell is it hype - he's a slam champion. Murray = Hype king with no slam.
     
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    Ofcourse he is and no one is disputing that (that he is a slam champion). Winning one slam is great but when we start talking about him like he can be the best player and all, he needs to show much more. Murray hasn't done well at the slams this year and yet he is the third best player in the world (and second for sometime).

    I don't like people overrating Del Porto now.
     
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    Agreed.

    Delpo has surpassed Murray in the last 12 months (and definitely in the last 6 months). Prior to 6 months ago... Murray could probably just edge out Delpo.
     
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    ^^ then why is Murray still the third best player since *Del Potro has surpassed him*?
     
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    Ask me that question 6 months from now when the rankings catch up to actual performance. Rankings will always lag a bit.

    Delpo has undoubtedly improved his game dramatically from even 6 months ago.
     
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    ^^ The same reason Dinara Safina is ranked no.1 on the womens tour with NO SLAMS. Are you saying that Safina > Williams/Clijsters etc?

    edit: Sorry this was in reply to Spider's post.
     
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    I prefer Del Potro to Murray. Murray's game is based on his legs and involves a lot of pushing, which is going to make it tough for him when it comes to the Slams. At 2 years younger, with power and the consistency to match, Del Potro's upside looks better. His potential for improvement also looks better, whereas Murray's options seem more limited.
     
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    hahaha, that's funny.

    Murray is a Grand Slam nobody. He got to 1 slam final and played passive tennis that couldn't even challenge Federer (he would have lost anyways at last year's USO, and if Fed played that good this year, he would've won it).

    Del Potro is a great player who plays real aggressive tennis. He plays the kind of tennis hat can win grand slams. Murray's tennis will only win you slams at the French Open, but he isn't going to do that; there are numerous players better than Murray on clay.

    In terms of "the best on hard-courts", it is Federer, Del Potro and Djokovic, Nadal, Soderling, Tsonga, Gonzales, and then maybe Murray. Sure, Murray's more consistent than some of those guys, but he isn't better than any of them.

    In terms of best results on HC this year, it has to be (so far): Nadal, Del Potro, then Federer.

    Murray hasn't done anything to convince me that he can win a Grand Slam.
     
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    Juan Martin del Potro was still battling on the court while Murray was checking in his luggage for his British Airways flight. I think we can clearly say who's better now especially after he won the title.
     
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  22. Bud

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    Murray is now the only guy in the top 6 without a GS win :oops:
     
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    Ok maybe your prediction is possible about Murray ultimately winning more slams


    BUT saying Delpo was 'lucky' to win a slam...that kind of talk makes my blood boil! He worked HARD for that win over 2 weeks, he had the mental strength to see it through. Heck he beat the 2 greatest players of this generation (and the guy who took out Murray - Cilic) in a row! That's not luck, that's hard work.
     
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    What? Are you comparing a one slam champ Del Potro to Serena? :confused:

    If Federer falls out of top ten, he would still be the better player as compared to other players. This is a different case (and that's my point), a player with luck on his side wins a slam and people start predicting he will do better than Murray. Del Potro was great for two weeks but that's about it.

    Like I earlier said, Hewitt won his first slam before Federer and yes Hewitt is the better player now, right? :)
     
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    People have been overrating Rocky Balboa a lot since he won over Ivan Drago, I mean Ivan has been the second best Boxer, has been more consistent fighter in the last one year if we compare him to Balboa. Balboa was good for two hours and congrats on him on winning a fight but he was quite lucky to win this match lets be honest here.

    Ivan is still ahead of him in the ranking and in the long run will end up winning more Fights than Balboa.

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    Agreed! Strong showing by Delpo... no easy matches... no easy draw. He earned it 100%.
     
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    Yes Del Potro was the better player for these two weeks, I agree
     
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    I think if he (JMDP) can get his "head round" the idea of grass I can't see why he won't be a serious contender for that title too.
     
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    Murray is lucky he continues to get so much undeserved praise. The guy has not proven that he can go the distance with the big dogs (Fed & Nadal) in the slams. Del Potro did and so he deserves more respect right now. Plus Del Potro has weapons and isn't afraid to use them under pressure while Murray gets too passive. In the long run I think Del Potro will be more successful.
     
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    Ofcourse Del Potro deserves all credit but you cannot deny the fact that he was gifted at times this championship. I mean Nadal player his worst match that I have ever seen and Federer was pathetic again. Murray didn't have this luck last year. Nadal played a great match and Federer was great in the final as well.
     
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    So how come DelP lost to Murray just 4 weeks ago - a breadstick in the 3rd?

    DelP has done great - maximum kudos and congratulations to the guy, but are we just going to ignore the fact that only one guy has made at least semis of every hardcourt MS this year? That only one guy has made 3 hardcourt MS finals? That only one guy has won two hardcourt MS this season or that Delp is still behind Murray in both titles won this year and the race?

    I know MS ain't slams - but they're not futures events either. Hewitt has won 2 in his career, Roddick has 4. They don't give out MS shields with every £20 of petrol.

    Again, maximum kudos to the big guy - but can we retain just a teensy bit of perspective?

    BTW DelP is is 16 months younger than Murray, not two years.
     
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    There's nothing wrong with a little luck. There isn't a player in history who has not benefited from good fortune in winning titles and Slams. You always need a little bit of luck, but you have to give yourself the opportunity in the first place to benefit from that luck.
     
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    Right now I have to say IMO DP > Murray, simply because of the slam. Murray can win 10 more MS titles and DP none, but as long as DP has a slam, not to mention he beat Nadal and Fed back to back for it, he's the better HC player today.
     
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    Yes but once this luck runs out you get exposed badly. :)
     
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    Federer also was slameless for quite some time, however things have turned out quite well now. :oops:
     
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    The problem with Murray is he has been talked about by people so much I think he is having problems with the pressure. Del Potro as we saw has managed to get past that and clinch the big win. Being a better player is beyond your groundstrokes and serves. Juan Martin has improved greatly this year, his movement belies his size and he has learned to balance out his emotions on court to play that consistent game. Murray can fist pump everytime he gets 30-15 but what matters is the last point . The longer time it lasted in waiting for Murray to make that big move the more I see it in his face, all the pressure and expectations on him.
     
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    Well, that's what these threads are for... ridiculing others in the future if things either go for or against your guy :lol:
     
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    It's not automatic for everybody else. Federer has shown countless times in the past that he can deal with the pressure.
     
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    Murray has been talked about a lot because he is extremely talented and very versatile and people expect a lot out of him (same like it was with Federer earlier). So that hype because of the talent is justified. Now it's up to Murray to prove what he is capable of.

    Del Potro is just an aggressive ball basher with a great serve, a big forehand and consistent backhand.
     
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    I think the point Spider is making is that at the time he went out of RG in R1 at his 16th attempt at winning a slam without getting beyond the QFs, Roger hadn't shown he could hack it at slams.

    People were saying similar things about him as they are about Murray.
     
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    He best be careful or he'll be the next Safina... everyone talking about how he's undeserving of his current rank.
     
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    Nadal won only six games in a slam semi. :twisted:
     
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    Don't try and deflect the issue :)
     
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    You just described a great player.Anyone who has a great serve and big but consistant ground game is a slam contender.
     
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  47. Oui c'est moi.

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    Then why didn't Murray use this 'lucky' time to win US Open? He failed to take even a set off Cilic, he missed his chance to beat Nadal at his 'worst' and missed his chance to take out a 'weaker' Fed than last year. :rolleyes:


    Well he picked the best 2 weeks to be a better player HAHA.
     
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    :shock::shock::shock:

    JUST?

    The right way to use the word is as follows:

    Murray is JUST a consistent counterpuncher with a weak second serve, loopy slow forehands and consistent backhand.

    Gosh.

    P.S. I'd like to clarify that actually I admire Murray's skills and footwork very much. It's just that I can't stand people (read: fanboys) who bring other pros down.
     
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    Maybe Murray is or he isn't, not sure. However I'm 100% certain come the end of the season Del Potro will be happier with his 2009 season than Murray by a huge margin. It's all about the Majors, has been for a long time. Look at the cr&p Safina has to put up with for failing at the slams.
     
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    Nadal will retire with more slams than the great white hope from Scotland. Next.
     
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