Del Potro: Predict his result at WTFs 2012

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  1. Gonzo_style

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    JMDP won 3 indoors titles in 2012, Marseille and 2 consecutive in Vienna and Basel, beating one of the best "indoors player" in final! So i would call him a third favourite for the title in London, after Djokovic and Federer!

    JMDP allready played final there, losing to Davydenko in 2 sets!A lot will depend on the draw in London, let's say if Juan Martin played against Federer, Ferrer and Tipsarevic his chances will be much higher!

    I would not take into account his result in Paris, it is possible to pull out or tanked , because this will be his third week in a row to play, with very tough draw!

    Predict his performance in London!
     
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  2. kaku

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    He needs a favorable group. If he draws the group with 2 of the top 3 seeds, I don't see him making the SF unless he can beat Fed again. If he gets a group like the one you mentioned, he would have a good chance to make the SF, but beating Ferrer wouldn't be easy for JMDP
     
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  3. Gonzo_style

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    That's true, i was thinking Delpo was the favourite in Wimbledon, and David beat him easily...
     
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  4. kaku

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    His best chance would to be grouped with Berdych, but I don't think that's possible. More than likely, he's going to have to pull off an upset.
     
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  5. Gonzo_style

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    That's not possible i think, JMDP is 6th seed, and Berdych would probably be 5th seed, or vice versa...
     
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  6. NadalAgassi

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    His best grouping would be to be with Ferrer and Federer. He has never done well vs Djokovic outside of grass, and never done well vs Murray outside of clay. Either way if he is in Ferrer's half he has a good shot to make the semis. His ideal grouping would be Federer, Ferrer, and Tipsarevic. Everyone will want Tipsarevic in their half, LOL!

    He not yet even won a regular Masters but it is like Del Potro to do everything backwards so maybe he will win the TMF before a regular Masters. I dont pick him to win, but it is also isnt impossible he could pull an upset and do it. He seems to be very slowly but surely gaining ground and confidence on the top players, although his fitness is still a big issue.
     
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  7. elpolaco84

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    can't pick till the end of Paris-bercy
     
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  8. Gonzo_style

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    "I would not take into account his result in Paris, it is possible to pull out or tanked , because this will be his third week in a row to play, with very tough draw!"
     
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  9. Towser83

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    that was the exact group I posted as being his best shot on another thread.

    Also he has had a lot of close losses to Murray, so I don't rule him out against him but Murray is a better player these days. However if he played him first match and say Murray had just played the Paris final, then who knows? Tiredness might play a part.

    Actually thinking about this, imagine the groups are

    Federer
    Murray
    Berdych
    Tsonga

    Djokovic
    Ferrer
    Delpo
    Tipsarevic

    Delpo is runner up and Djokovic winner, of the other group Murray wins and Fed is runner up. Now Delpo can lose to Djokovic in the group matches, play one great match vs Fed and he's in the final. If Murray is there and tired from an epic match,maybe Delpo wins. It's a big stretch but it is maybe the best chance to win the whole thing.
     
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    Federer
    Murray
    Berdych
    Tipsarevic

    Djokovic
    Ferrer
    Tsonga
    Del Potro

    So..

    Del Potro v Ferrer = Win
    Del Potro v Tsonga = Win
    Del Potro v Djokovic (need to assess Djok's indoor form) = Nevertheless, loss.

    = 2-1 in the groups

    So comes down to the maths whether he qualifies for the SF. But I'd say he does.

    Del Po = SF
     
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  11. vive le beau jeu !

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    i was really surprised by the severe score of this wimbledon match... what happened ?
     
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  12. kaku

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    His movement on grass got exposed
     
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  13. Towser83

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    that's only one possible grouping though, no way of knowing yet.He could get Djokovic, Murray, Ferrer, Tsonga, which I don't think he'd get out of.. So he needs a bit of luck
     
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  14. kishnabe

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    I would say Semifinal. It depends a lot on which side of the RR he is....the opponents he has to face in RR, Semifinals,or Finals.

    It would better to be on a side of Federer and Murray,Than with the likes of Djokovic and Ferrer.

    He could win this whole thing or could not even get out of the RR with tough matches against 2 of the top 4, and Berdych.

    The event is unpredictable for everyone barring Federer who can just steam through.
     
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  15. elpolaco84

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    it is still an "if he",
    so....we'll see...
     
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  16. roundiesee

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    Would not be surprised if he won it, as he is playing very well at the moment, but having said that, there are so many great players taking part, if they are playing well too it might not be that easy. I say "semis" for him, :)
     
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  17. Gonzo_style

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    It seems that we all agree that Del Potro must avoid Djokovic/Murray or Federer/Murray group, for the beginning...:)
     
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    That makes sense. Basically it has been big returners and Fed (who is great at applying pressure when needed) who hinder him most. Thats why Daaveed poses a problem too.
     
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  19. kaku

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    Delpo is a bit unlucky that the game style that he doesn't seem to like playing against is 3/4 of the top 4 and the other guy is Roger Federer who matches up well against 99% of the tour.
     
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  20. NadalAgassi

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    Well if Fed is runner up in a group with Murray and Del Potro runner up in the other behind Djokovic, Del Potro wouldnt play Federer in the semis. He would play Murray. The 1 plays the 2 from the other group in the crossover semis. Federer would have to win his group over Murray for the above scenario to play out.
     
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  21. NadalAgassi

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    LOL do you actually think Ferrer is a tougher opponent for Del Potro than Murray. Yeah I know Ferrer has done well vs him sometimes in the past, and beat him easily at Wimbledon, but Del Potro playing great can easily beat Ferrer. Murray who he has only beaten once on clay is by far a tougher opponent.
     
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  22. vive le beau jeu !

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    but still... he really got spanked whereas he looked good at the olympics some weeks later !
     
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  23. Hawkeye7

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    I think Ferrer's gamestyle bothers him and he might get frustrated at times because against great defenders you have to hit 'winners' more than once at times. That one extra ball could end up being an unforced error more often than not. He also lost to Ferrer on hard court this year in straight sets.

    Plus he's just not a great grass-player. He has never reached a Wimbledon QF.
     
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  24. batz

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    Delpo is 2-2 v Ferrer on hards, 0-4 versus Murray. Only on TT could those stats lead to a conclusion that Delpo would be better off playing Murray. :)
     
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  25. kaku

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    Feds style doesn't make delpo move like ferrers does
     
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  26. Gonzo_style

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    Yes, but he beat Djokovic and won bronze medal...movement is the biggest problem for him, but there is room for improvement...
     
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    NadAgassi....it would be better if DelPotro would be playing against 1 Aggressor and 1 Counterpuncher than 2 Counterpuchers.

    Historically 1 and 3 seeded on the one side, 2 and 4 on another.
    Del Potro would rather be with Fedray and DjokFer.

    No question Murray would be tougher than Ferrer. Del Potro at least can play Federer more confortably than Ferrer. Murray and Djokovic are the same....so you can't pick chose.

    If Ferrer and Federer on one side....than Del Potro would benefit on that side then.
     
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  28. underground

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    SF loss to Murray, who goes on to lose in the Final against Djokovic/Federer.
     
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    I think he will get out of his group other then that anything is possible.
    I hope he comes forward and does not over rely on his forehand.
     
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  30. batz

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    I'd love to see him do well but if he doesn't pull out of Paris then he's going to be knackered in London - it's tough for anyone to go deep for 4 weeks in a row.
     
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  31. Gonzo_style

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    Yes, Delpo might tanked against Falla...
     
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    A lot of it depends on DelPo's form.
    It's been good at times this year but his endurance has been substandard.

    I've seen him let balls go by and then later run them down with energy.
    To me this is conserving energy and waiting for the right moment to go all out.
    His endurance is lacking or it has been.
    If he can get that part of his game at top level he'll be much tougher to beat.

    DelPo's had more than enough time to work on this area but hasn't done enough.

    Other parts of his game is steadily improving.
     
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  33. beast of mallorca

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    Hope it's not Tipsy. Hopefully an outsider, preferably Raonic can do great at the Masters in Paris to possibly clinch the spot from Tipsy, with Tipsy losing early.
     
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  34. Gonzo_style

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    Well, Raonic has to reach at least finals in Paris, and he didn't have much luck in the draw, Djokovic is waiting him in the fourth round! Gasquet have a better chance for WTFs...
     
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  35. beast of mallorca

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    Well, as what was being contemplated in the other thread, Djokvic might be sick/not 100% and might pull out, so everything is possible. I certainly want Raonic better than Tipsy.
     
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  36. Gonzo_style

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    Looks like you're not his biggest fan? :)
     
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  37. Towser83

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    Yeah sorry, I know how the semis work, just mistyped what I wanted to say
     
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    I know. But a couple of great matches don't make him a great grass-courter. ;) We'll see next year at Wimbledon I suppose.
     
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  39. sbengte

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    Runner up.
     
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  40. beast of mallorca

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    If Djoko or Murray loses early or just "tanks" to prepare for the WTF, I do hope
    it would be Delpo or Ferrer.
     
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  41. beast of mallorca

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    I hope you don't think I'm dissing Tipsy, coz I'm not. He deserves where he is right now. He's been very consistent, and on occasion may give trouble to the top 4. I just like other players better than him. Just personal preferences I guess
     
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  42. Gonzo_style

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    I was so wrong, Del Potro destroyed poor Falla 6:2 6:2!
     
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    3 RR losses. He is playing for 3 consecutive weeks by now, and by WTF, it ill be 4.
     
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  44. hersito

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    You are brazilian, thus your prediction... :)
     
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  45. Gonzo_style

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    Del Potro lost in Paris, four days of rest should be enough.
     
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  46. elpolaco84

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    Yep, should be enough, my vote goes to final, if he keeps playing like the last two weeks. (did he play with less intensity today?)
     
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  47. augustobt

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    That doesn't make any sense, haha. Delpo is one of my favorite players, like Nalbandian.
     
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  48. Gonzo_style

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    His passing shots were not working properly, and without that is very difficult to play against Llodra. Of course, Llodra has played very well as always in Paris...
     
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  49. Gonzo_style

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    Juan Martin's group:

    Federer
    Ferrer
    Tipsarevic

    Semifinal seems very possible...
     
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  50. underground

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    Actually I don't think he will make the semis. Ferrer is a bad matchup for him. Plus I don't think Federer will lose to him this time.
     
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