dementia's serve

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  1. big ted

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    i cant believe somebody with a serve that sucky is in the finals of the u.s. open. not only is it the slowest serve in the world but she hits it in the same place everytime ! to the right handers forehand ! how can she be in the finals of the us open with a serve like that ?? she serves like a 4.0 player. i guess her serve is effective but why cant the opponent just knock it off for a winner!! capriati was standing 5 feet inside the service line to return second serves !!thats the shortest ball ur ever going to get in a match or drop shot it i dont get it. why cant everyone beat her ?? is the rest of her game that good or are the other women players that bad ??!? :? :? i dont get it ?
     
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  2. The tennis guy

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    1. The rest of her game is as good as anyone on tour if not better. Now she has come to the net quite often and very successful up there.

    2. If her serve were TOPSPIN and that slow, then she would have got killed with that serve. However, on a fast court like US OPen, slow heavy SLICE serve is not that easy to attack.
     
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  3. BaselineAce

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    Exactly. She puts great spin on the ball. And once the point has started, she is as tough as anyone.
     
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  4. Feña14

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    Here we go again :roll:

    Dementieva's serve is very difficult to attack, it's very hard with all the spin and the variation in pace that she gets and often slower serves are the hardest to attack. When you have been watching her for aslong as I have you never know what to expect, let alone her opponent!

    Also she only has this problem because of her damaged shoulder from a skiing acident so she is making the best out of what she has. Something that lesser players don't do!!

    I just hope she can get her first Grand-Slam now, she really deserves it. Maybe some people will start to take her for what she is and concentrate on her positives and get of her back a bit :wink:

    -Liam
     
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  5. The tennis guy

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    The important part for her in this tournament is she didn't double fault as much. She needs to add variation to her serve in the future though.
     
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  6. Feña14

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    She certainly has variation in pace and her second serve is more often that not faster than her first.

    She can't vary spin though with a toss as wide as that and that can't be helped. You have got to accept her for how she is.

    -Liam
     
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  7. The tennis guy

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    She is only 22. I am sure she can hit flat and topspin serve if she really works on it.
     
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  8. tennis tech

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    Please, tell her if she ever comes to the Cabo San Lucas area (Mexico) I will be glad (and lots of friends) to spend weeks of service training. I hope she wins, but she has got a BIG handicap with that serve, she has the ability but she lacks the technique . I got disappointed when she did not win the French Open.

    Good luck Elena!!!

    P.D. The offer is real.
     
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  9. The tennis guy

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    It's a mental thing. She had shoulder problem a few years back that forced her to toss the ball to her right. Now she couldn't correct that in matches. She hits good flat and topspin serve in practice.
     
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  10. callitout

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    The gist of the original post is exactly right: Club players serve virtually the same way every time with similar spin, placement and pace...while pros tend to vary these quite a bit (obvious exceptions being guys like Roddick who just hit with so much power). It is a bit disconcerting for the womens game that the best players cant attack that short ball given that they know where its going almost every time.
     
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  11. pound cat

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    I apologize to Liam, who's always stuck with Dementieva. In women's tennis it's not the mph of the serve that counts...it's the quality of play that wins the match.
     
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  12. The tennis guy

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    Capriati's answer why she couldn't attck Dementieva's serve effectively today.

    Q. What kind of strategies did you go through with returning her second serve? What did you try? What do you felt worked, didn't work?

    JENNIFER CAPRIATI: I mean, I felt like, you know, I mean, sometimes they were so short in the box that I had to be at net, you know, which worked with the wind. But against the wind, I mean, you know, they're coming so slow. You know, if you don't hit it ‑‑ I mean, nothing ‑‑ you weren't able to really time the shots at all out there. So it's hard to even say. I mean, because you're off balance, basically, all the time.

    And in those conditions, that kind of serve I guess works pretty well because you can't really hit it. If you don't hit it good enough, she's good off the next shot, so...
     
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  13. thehustler

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    From what I understand she can serve down the T and to the backhand of righties. Apparently she does this real well in practice, but come match time it's to the forehand only. I heard this in a match a couple months back from the commentators, can't remember which tourney though. Apparently it's just nerves for her more than anything. Once she gets over her nerves watch out. She'll be hitting with pace and who knows what can become of her.
     
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  14. The tennis guy

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    I posted it somewhere. I saw her at practice court after one of her match at the Open this year. She can hit flat, topspin serve quite well. It is a mental thing. She changed her toss due to shoulder problem a few years back. Now she tends to toss so far right she has to hit heavy slice to right-hander forehand when she gets nervous.
     
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    Here is her answer at interview after her match today:

    Q. How did you develop your serve? It's sort of an unconventional motion.

    ELENA DEMENTIEVA: I think it's all mental, you know, because I really know how to serve. I can serve in my practice. All I need is to bring all these things to the court during the match. And it's not easy to do because I was serving for a long time with a slice serve because my shoulder was injured, and it's very difficult to change right now just in my mind.
     
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  16. Deuce

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    Both the question and the response are quite funny.
     
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  17. Vlad

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    The same question and answer could have been applied to Andy Roddick.
     
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  18. jeebeesus

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    go! demented one go!
     
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    One reason seh get away with it, I think, is because women seem to never have heard of chip and charge. Anyone with a net game would come in on those serves and put pressure on her.
     
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    Dementieva's serve is bad for women's tennis, and I'll tell you why. If the casual sports fan sees that, they'll think that women's tennis is really bad, people are serving 63 and getting to the finals of 2 grand slams in a year. She does have a superior ground game, but the serve is going to detract viewers and make women's tennis a little bit of a joke if Elena keeps having success. The public perception will be that women tennis players suck if they can't return a serve for a winner of slower speed than a club player. We all know this isn't completely true bc of Dementieva's excellent ground game, but it certainly isnt going to help tennis
     
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  21. spinbalz

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    ETennisACE7 wrote
    Isn't Women's Tennis actually really bad?
     
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  22. splink779

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    What does that tell u about how skilled she is in the rest of the game. If she could get a good serve down she would be very threatening.
     
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