Demoing RDS001, K90, & K95 - results soon

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  1. CAM178

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    Just ordered the demos, so I would expect them to be here soon. I will post my results soon. I'm pretty stoked about getting these, as one of them will become my new stick. My n6.1's have been strung too many times, and have lost their playability, so I have to choose a new one soon.
     
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    You will find the K95 stiffer than the n95..some like it...some dont...which headsize in the RDS001?

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    I'm demoing both headsizes of the 001. I've been told that I'll prefer the 90 in the 001, based on the playability and my game, but we'll see. I got the KTour90, the K95 16x18, and both headsizes of the 001. I might even post some video.
     
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  4. nickarnold2000

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    By all means post some video.
     
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    I'm just curious how you settled on those three frames? They're completely different.

    The RDS 001 mid is 340 grams and the midplus is around 332 grams with a low 320's swingweight. The K90 is 354 grams with a 340-ish swingweight. Speaking from my experience only, the difference would be like night and day between those frames.

    Seems to me that it's just shooting in the dark to find a frame almost "by accident." I don't mean to criticize, and I'm not trying to start an argument, but I'm surprised to see that you would choose such a wide range of specs in racquets when it sounds as though you're a fairly experienced player, judging from your other posts on this forum.

    If I get any further than 5 grams away from my current racquet in weight, it's a huge difference. Same goes for swingweight -- I know my limits and there's no way I'd feel comfortable deviating from my current frame by that much.
     
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    I've got thicker skin that to think you're talking trash, man. I know you're just curious.

    To be honest, I've never paid much attention to all of those specs. The only ones I look at are stiffness, length, weight, and how head-light. Most important to me are what other players have said. I have heard that I should give the 001 a try, so I'm going to do so. As to weight, I will try out any racquet between 11.5-12.5 oz. My ideal racquet is 11.8 oz, 66 stiffness, and 8 pts HL. I've tried sticks with those specs, and they played like sh**. So specs don't mean anything to me, really. It's how the racquet feels to me when I play that matters.

    Keep in mind that just a few years ago I went from playing with an nSurge to the n6.1 in a very short period of time, which is a huge weight and playability difference. I got tired of taking out stray bats when I shanked it with that damn nSurge, so I switched.

    As for finding a racquet by accident, that's how I found my PSC6.1. I was playing against the #1 guy at my college, and I decided to try his racquet (PSC6.1), and fell in love with it immediately. That was by accident, but I played with that racquet for the better part of 6 yrs.
     
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    Interesting. But lucky, too, that you managed to find a racquet like that. I agree that not all racquets with similar specs play alike, but it's a good place to start.

    Me, I took a more scientific approach to finding my "ideal" racquet. I narrowed down the overall weight and balance first, then swingweight and stiffness, in order of tolerance. That is, I can tolerate larger variations in stiffness than I can tolerate variations in weight or balance.

    But sure, you can certainly play with a racquet that's 15 grams heavier, but I consistently find that a racquet that's so much heavier will force me to compromise my technique after playing an hour or so. If I stick with a weight that I can actually handle, my technique holds up much better and I find that my strokes are much more consistent over the long haul (3+ hours).

    Good luck with your demos. I personally play with the RDS 001 mid and absolutely love it. Amazing control and just the right amount of power. It can feel a bit stiff at times, but overall it's the best fit for my game.
     
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    Tony, are you playing with the 90 or 98 001? You say Mid, but I just want to make sure. What made you get the 001 versus all of the other frames that are out there? I see your methodology above, but I just want to see if you played with any other frames?
     
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    I use the Mid (90).

    Although there aren't THAT many frames out there with the same specs, I have played with the TF320, Fischer M-Speed, Prince O3 Tour and Speedport Tour (93 and 97, I think), Slazenger X1, Yonex RDX 500 mid, Wilson PS 6.0 95, and the Volkl C10 Pro. I have also tried racquets outside of that spec range and did not find them suitable for my game.

    The racquet that the RDS 001 replaced was the M-Speed. The M-Speed was nice and had a soft feel, but I needed a bit more weight behind my shots and I find the stability of the RDS unmatched for slice backhands. I also think the feel and feedback of the RDS are superior to the M-Speed. Before the M-Speed, I used the TF335, but found it too heavy for me (354 grams strung). Before the TF335, I used the Slazenger X1, which was an incredible frame, but a bit too stiff and muted for me.

    I've always played with 90 sq. in. frames my entire life (and mostly Yonex, as well), so going from a 98 back to a 90 was no problem for me. But I can see where it might cause some people problems if they're not accustomed to the smaller size.
     
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    Tony, couple of things:
    1. Thanks for all of the feedback and info: very much appreciated.
    2. I, too, am looking for a racquet that will put some weight behind my shots. I can generate plenty of pace, but these n6.1's have lost their chutzpah b/c of being strung so many times.
    3. Agreed as to the frame size. Part of me is really nervous about trying the 90's again. It's been 20 yrs since I've played with one. But from what I hear, and from what I remember, the 90's are unbelievably solid. It still tickles me that I haven't thought of the fact that I played really well with the 90's before now. :)
    4. I just now noticed your signature. That's my favorite show. Giggity, giggity, gig-gi-ty!
     
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    Just one thing: please report back on what you think of the topspin/kick serve performance of the RDS 001 mid. I'm curious to hear what your experience is with that racquet.

    I won't bias your feedback by stating my opinion.
     
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    Will do as to the 001's kick potential on 2nd's.
     
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    By the way, I'm planning to demo the MG Prestige Pro this coming Saturday. The specs look absolutely perfect for me and I've read a lot of good comments on it. It's going to be an interesting demo, for sure. On paper, it looks like it's got everything I'm looking for in a racquet.

    I'll probably post a review once I get the chance to hit with it. Sure, I love the RDS, but there's always something "better" out there, right?
     
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    Yep, there's always a better one out there. Good luck with the MGPP.
     
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    I think this is exactly how to demo. Try different frames. I demoed a K90 K95 and APDC. I found the APDC to be the best for me at the same time I enjoyed the K90 - hated the K95.

    Demoing different racquets might lead to better results imo!
     
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    Yeah, I just don't want to do what I did a few years back, which was rack up hundreds in demo fees, and ended up going back to my college stick. If it's not one of these 4, I'm looking strongly at the KBladeTour. I'll know within 2 weeks what I'll be playing with for 2008. Can't wait. :)
     
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    What I don't get is why people intend to demo sticks that are spec-wise exactly the same?

    You basically will get a bunch of similar rackets that play the same. Being diverse with your demos mean you get a variety of racket-tastes in order to find one you like.

    My last Demo with pure Open String Patterns was:

    MG Extreme Pro- A Stiff, Spin Making, Power House
    O3 Tour MP- A mute, moderate blend of power and control, with Spin
    AG300- A close to Even Balance light static weight stick
    MG Radical Pro- A Spin, Flexible, and Control racket

    You have to have variations to know what isn't for you and what is.
     
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  18. biggsy

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    quite agree herosol and which of those racquets was the best??
     
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    Racquets just arrived today, so results to be posted soon. Won't hit with them until tomorrow, as my arms are too sore today from lifting.

    One thing I'm confused about are the stringjobs in the racquets:

    - 001 Mid: full Lux BB Pwr, mid tension
    - 001 Mid+: some poly that says 'NOT FOR RESALE', high tension; close to breaking
    - K90: same as 001 Mid+; must be TW stock string; mid tension; close to breaking
    - K95: Reaction; high tension; really close to breaking; racquet came with new Tourna Grip, though. But new grip won't help if the string breaks quickly.

    Racquets are all in good shape: bumper guards good, no major marks/paint chips, etc.

    Results to come shortly. Hope weather holds off, as skies look threatening.
     
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    CAM: I don't know if you've ever played with the 18x20 version of your nSix-One but unless you find the K95 to be nowhere close to what you want (unlikely), make sure you demo the K95 18x20 version at some point.

    I came from the old PSC and believed myself that i'd like the 16x18 pattern better but after buying one of each and trying them back to back for awhile it was very apparent that the 18x20 was the superior stick, for me at least.
     
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    Look forward to your review Cam. Will you be making comparisons to the PSC 6.1??
     
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    Nah, never played with the n 18x20. But yeah, I've heard that about that K 18x20 and that I should check it out. That will be next, if I don't like any of these 4. I'll probably just demo it even if I do like one of these, just to make sure. Thanks, man.

    I sure will man. I appreciate the request, as that was one of the best sticks I ever played with.
     
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    cant wait to hear the comparison between k90 and 95....
     
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    Well, since you're a guy who's played the 6.1 series alot (you say you used the PSC extensively, and now use the NSix-One, I think there's a very good chance you'll find the K95 16x18 to be your favorite stick of the ones you're demoing. So, I don't want you to make the same mistake that I made; I bought two 16x18s before I really gave the 18x20 a shot, and ended up having to sell them once I realized the 18x20 was the racquet for me.
     
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    I think that you will like the RDS 001 Mid. It is a bit underpowered but has excellent control. I'm looking forward to the reviews.
     
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    The thing I find most interesting about the RDS 001 mid (90) is that not one single touring pro is using it.

    There are a couple using the midplus (98), but I'm assuming that they're heavily leaded up.

    Very interesting.
     
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    I thought Nalby used the 001 90. . . no?
     
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    No results yet: I strained my muscles while lifting on Sunday, so no tennis until at least tomorrow. That is compunded by not being able to find anybody to hit with. On top of those two, we now have a cold front moving in, so this is going to be a fun week to try and hit with these. Dammit. :(
     
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    I went through similar... actually exact as you. Love and played with the K90 but the swingweight was slightly too much after about an hour of serious hitting. Closest match out there is the RDS001... i've switched to it and just added a little lead to 10 and 2 to add a little oomph. I've found it very similar to the k90 - but more manuev. at net and a better serving stick than the k90. Avoid the RDX500... not stiff enough. Good frame, but far to flexi. The 001 fixed this.

    By the way... I also had the k95's and while they were okay for me... I had to add a lot of lead and I didn't like the 95 size as much as the 90 sq"... but that's my game. Good luck with the demo!!
     
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    If you're in Ft. Wayne Indiana I'll hit with you :)
     
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    Thanks for the offer, man, but I'm in Austin, TX. :)
     
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    In just swinging these racquets in my living room, the K95 and 001Mid+ feel the best. They just feel right. Both of the 90's are thin beams, which I tend to play better with, but we'll have to wait and see how they far tomorrow. Tomorrow will only be against a wall (thumbs down), but it's better than nothing.
     
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    I wouldn't put too much faith into how they feel when swinging in thin air. It's how they hit the ball that matters.

    I've tried plenty of racquets that felt like gold when swinging freely, but failed miserably upon contact with an actual ball.

    Hope you heal up fast so you can get out there on the courts.
     
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    Trust me, I know. When you're injured, this is the only thing you can do. I'm doing the best I can, and I can't wait to play tomorrow.

    Quick note: one thing I learned is that there is no spinning of the 001's in the throat. Tried spinning it (sticking your forefinger in the throat and spinning it), and my finger got caught between the grommet guard in the throat and the frame. Ow. And I mean OWWWW! It crushed a nerve, and now I can't feel anything at the tip of my finger.
     
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    Results soon. Headed out now to hit with these racquets. Albeit against the wall, which is not real world at all, but it's better than nothing.
     
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    Initial results are in. This was only against a wall, not a person, so all of this is to be discounted untit I get actual court play with these sticks. Before I begin, I need to say that the initial results are biased, based on the strings. 3 of the 4 racquets are in desperate need of a string job. The 001 Mid has a brand new full Lux BB Power string job (came that way), so it's playability is going to automatically be better than the other 3. The other 3 have strings that have multiple black and/or red spots, i.e. they're about to break.

    Also, keep in mind that I started with my n95 to warm up, so thereafter I went with the natural progression.

    My impressions, in order of play:

    1. K95: swings quite well. Feels good, and looks good. PJ does not distract. Thing that bothered me right off the bat was the 'ping' of the strings. I tried putting in a vibration dampener, but quickly took it out as it did exactly what I hate about them: deadens the racquet and takes away feel. The strings really killed how well I'm sure this thing could play, as it sure is maneuverable and very nice to stroke. Groundstrokes were a pleasure, and it reminded me quite a bit of my n95 and the PSC6.1. OH's and serves with this are things of beauty. Very nice pop, control, and feel. Very comparable overall to my n95. Mishits are not much of an issue. It is a stiff frame, but it has nice control.


    2. 001 Mid+: very nice stick, and a pleasure to swing on groundies. Very nice feel, and it suits my swing style. Gives a strong feeling of control. Again, the strings detract from how I am sure this thing could swing. The only thing I didn't like about groundies (again, must be a string issue) is that it took quite a bit of effort to put some mustard on the ball. Might just be strung too tight. OH's and serves were nice. Nicely controlled and accuracy is not a problem. This racquet is of interest when I get actual hitting, as I bet this will come alive out on the court.

    3. K90: now I see why Federer plays the way he does with this. If you hit it cleanly, it is nice. Really nice. But if you mishit it, this thing is shank city, and it can spray wildly. This demo is far from new (plays like it's been through hell and back), and had the crappiest strings of the bunch. So it's getting the most raw deal of the bunch. That aside, groundies are nice and it is surprisingly well-behaved when hitting shots out-of-position. I was nicely surprised by it's composure when forced to hit an odd shot. Also, this racquet really surprised me in terms of one area that I thougt would not be an issue at all: flexibility. It had far too much flex for me. Yes, it is stiff, but I could really feel the flex on my FH with some mustard in particular. When I had high balls, it was a nice feeling to crush them. OH's and serves were nice. Good pop and control. Surprising, based on so-so results on ground. I would want to compare this to on of the Head Flexpoints, based on the flexibility of this racquet, which makes me want to question what the hell this poor demo has been through. It's like a worn-out rubber band, so far. I hope my opinion changes when I hit with someone.

    4. 001 Mid: MAN! What a stick! This racquet is incredible, so far. But it has the new Lux strings, so it has a very unfair advantage over the others. That aside, this racquet plays beautifully off the ground, OH's, and serves. All were pinpoint accurate, and the racquet felt like it was an extension of my arm. Just perfect. Only complaint was that my arm hurt afterwards, but that is to be expected when I play with a full Lux string job. Can't wait to see how this thing plays in real time!

    So far, my rankings are:
    1. 001 Mid
    2. K95
    3. 001 Mid+
    4. K90

    This poor K90 needs to be retired or trashed. It has had it. Seems like too many temperature changes, string jobs, and possible abuse from previous testing. I know it should play much differently than it does, so I am anxious to hit real-time with it.
     
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    If there is anything that anybody wants to know specifically about these sticks, let me know, and I will try and work on that. I might be able to get someone to hit with me Fri afternoon, but it is not definite. I've got a few people to hit with on Sat and Sun, so I'll try to set up some vids from Sat and Sun.

    Let me know what y'all want as to these racquets.
     
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  39. lilxjohnyy

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    hey can you compare k95 to rds 001 mid thanks !!!
     
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  40. CAM178

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    Both swing very easily and freely. 001 seems to have a bit more pop, but again, I think that's unfortunately due to strings. I will know a lot more on Sat.
     
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    which one felt more "crisp"??
     
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    The RDS 001 mid kicks major butt. I'm just starting to figure out the kick serves after using it for about 2 months now.

    Incredible stick. I can't believe none of the pros are using it.
     
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    i remeber an experience with RDS 001 mid about ...2 years ago . i kicked ass with it (i broke string on racket and had to use coaches). i remeber serving 5 aces like in a row. too bad i completely forgot about it until now. i want to see if i still play good with it
     
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    I go to UT -_-
     
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    They both feel crisp. It's hard to tell just hitting against the wall. I had plans to go out and play today, but yikes: the temp outside right now is 32. I'm just crazy enough to play in weather like this, though. Back to topic, though, sorry. I can't say which one is more crisp, as they both feel nice. I think the K95 will come alive with real hitting. Right now, against the wall, it just doesn't feel the way that I thought it would.

    The real test will be hitting with someone. I'm as anxious as all of you to do that, and I will let you know ASAP how these play on court.
     
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    You a good player?
     
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    its too bad you have had all these weather problems, injuires and no one to play with. I was interested to hear how the 001 mid and K90 compared. You are right about the string situation. Its hard to judge when they are a bit different. While I agree you can get some feedback from hitting against a wall, its not really anything like playing. I hope people that read this thread understand that when you rank the racquets. I am curious to know how your perceptions will change after you play an opponent. Good luck!:)

    will check back in a few days.
     
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    dont wanna sound arrogant or anything. from your posts it sounds like you are a better player, but im sure i can hold my own just rallying. I've been out for a while from wrist tendonitis so i might not be able to play yet. are you in college? or what part of austin?
     
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    No worries, and sorry if I came off as arrogant. I just want someone who can keep the ball in play for at least 20 shots when rallying, that's all. No, I'm very much out of college. Take care of that wrist, as that's a bear of an injury for tennis. I should know: I've had it. Maybe we'll get out and hit some in the spring. I live in the Arboretum area.
     
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    OVERALL: Well, I finally got a chance to get out and hit with these. As I suspected, what happened against the wall was not repeatable on the court. The racquet that shone on the court, where it matters, was the K95. I had a feeling that it might, as it is the newer replacement to my racquet.

    YONEX: Both sticks felt far too light, and have an even balance feel, which does not suit me. Yes, I know they are supposed to be super headlight, but they sure don't play that way. There is no way that these weigh 12.1 & 11.7. They felt like my nPro as to weight, minus the pop of the nPro. The Yonexes swing nicely, but there is just nothing there as to natural pace. My normally weighted shot was landing midcourt, so I had to really pepper th ball to get it deep. And forget about winners. To hit a winner, I could almost hear my shoulder muscles, ligaments, and tendons saying 'WTF?!' I could easily see my arm and shoulder getting tired in matches due to effort. And I could also easily see elbow problems for me in the future with these racquets.

    K90: Felt even worse on the court. It felt so flexible that I had to put it down almost immediately. It was a very stiff frame, but when I made contact with it, it felt just like a Flexpoint, in that there was a great deal of flexibility mid-throat. I was shocked that it played like that. Also, I had quite a few shankyouverymuch's with this racquet. If you slightly mishit it, it will shank the crap out of the ball. And it felt just a touch too heavy to me. I was a fraction of a second too late for the ball, and I am not about to retime my strokes just for a racquet.

    K95: What a racquet. The closest racquet I can think of in comparison is the PSC6.1. At least to me, it is. It just felt so solid. Before I realized it, I had been hitting with the K95 for half of my hitting session this morning. Even with a crappy set of strings, it just felt very comfortable and I felt like I was at home. That bodes very, very well, as I can't even imagine how well this racquet will play with a good string combo in it. This is the racquet I am going to buy. I am not going to demo racquets for a long time. It's a Wilson, so am already comfortable with it. It's feel on groundstrokes is very solid, with a nice headlight feel, and a ton of pop when you need it. The weighting might be a bit heavy for some, but it's a perfect replacement for my n6.1. On no shot did I feel uncomfortable. It can shank on mishits, but not badly like the K90. Like any stiff racquet, when you mishit, it will shank a bit. But I like this even more than my n6.1.

    for drakulie: drak, you had wanted a comparison between these sticks and the PSC6.1. The only one that felt like the PSC was the K95. The PSC felt very stable and solid, and had such a nice weight balance throughout. The PSC allowed such clean hitting, and gave such confidence no matter where you were in the court, and no matter how out of position you might have been. To me, the K95 takes that to another level with the power and confidence. The K95 does everything that the PSC did, but it just does it better.

    Any questions? Just let me know, and I'll respond the best that I can.
     
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