Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by romeo8880, Jun 29, 2011.
I am still recovering from those two match points against Monfils. I need a warm hug.
Exactly, but some Fed fans need to be reminded that he's human ;-)
Well, it's been awhile since I posted in this thread. I've gotten over the fact that he is no longer what he once was and am no longer depressed about it. I'm actually very happy that he still competes the way he does and legitimately still has a chance at winning majors. The guy is amazing.
I'm torn between two views: I want to be able to enjoy watching Federer play without needing him to win anything anymore. Zero expectations, zero hopes, just nothing. But on the other hand.. I want him to get #18 and want to support him in doing so. But that second option automatically means that I get disappointed whenever he loses in slams.
I feel lucky to have watched him since he started appearing on late night UK cable tv of indoor hard courts in Europe as just another player of 16 or maybe 17 years old.
But boy did he already move brilliantly back then.
It was a noticeable point of difference.
To have been able to enjoy watching him this long is a privilege.
His fans - he has repaid in spades.
No need to be depressed.
Well if it doesn't get bumped after a losing Wimbledon final, when does it?
On Friday Federer rolled back the years, showed us some magic and generally made people* feel happy. He was a magician showing us that father time could be defeated, that conventional rules did not apply.
Today Djokovic made him look human and that in reality time stops for no man. In some ways this mortality makes the sportsman even more endearing to the general public and shows us what happened before really was special.
If anything this increases the depression lol, that there will be no 18th part ever.
Checking in. Last year's loss was easier to swallow. The whole thing felt more like a dream run. This time around I actually expected him to take the title. His level just dropped several notches today. Credit to Djokovic for that, but I think it's also on Federer himself.
I expected him to have a better showing in the final. He deserved to after serving lights out throughout the tournament.
This loss is very difficult to swallow. It's always been so close yet so far for Fed the last three years.
I don't think I have ever felt this depressed after a Federer loss. So much hope and expectation after the way he played against Murray and indeed the entire tournament.
Before last years final I was just kind of pleased that he had made the final but really did not expect him to beat Djokovic. This year however, I really felt confident that he could finally win that 18th slam and record 8th Wimbledon. What an achievement it would have been at almost 34. Yet again though he just comes up short. So so frustrating.
I have been asking myself all evening why I invest so much emotion in something where the outcome doesn't really effect my life and why I am feeling so down. The answer is that ever since Federer started winning Wimbledon I have been completely mesmerised and fascinated by this man. I love everything about him, his face, his hair, his demeanour round the court and obviously most of all, the artistic way he strikes the ball. No other player comes close.
I recognise and respect the achievements of Nadal and Djokovic but I feel that their success has been largely down to their freakish athleticism and physical prowess and robotic like ability to retrieve so many balls. I find it galling that this particular style has repeatedly thwarted Federer's genius and artistry in recent years.
I have been a fan of tennis for about 30 years now but in all truthfulness I think I am just a fan of Federer rather than tennis in general. When Federer loses in a slam, my interest in the tournament all but vanishes. Before Federer came along, I guess Agassi was my favourite although I was not obsessed with him as much as Federer. Other than that though there haven't really been any other players who I have developed any emotional attachment to and there are no up and coming players who are floating my boat.
The day Federer retires will be a very sad day for me and I may not even watch tennis anymore.
It actually didn't hurt that much for me compared to last year bc of the way the match went. Sure, going into the match I thought he was gonna win. Then it all changed. Going to the 4th, I never thought he was gonna win. Last year he had that epic comeback and then our hearts got broken in the 5th.
Fair play for admitting that. There is no "right" way to be a fan. Everyone see it differently. For me, the emotional attachment is there with Nadal. Its like when the team you support scores a goal in football (I'm a massive football fan). You go crazy. I have the same with Nadal and no other play although I still thoroughly enjoy the tournament when he loses (a lot nowadays). Sorry to make this about Nadal (before people go crazy). Your boy Roger should be proud. He is the greatest IMO and he is still RIGHT THERE at nearly 34. That's more than the rest of the tour can say (except Novak and Andy).
He has given the game so much and he continues to give. So much admiration for the great man.
The silly thing is, us fans are probably more depressed than Federer is!
Horrible. I was watching with a friend who's also a Fed fan. We went absolutely crazy when he won that 2nd set. It's a shame how Federer followed up that set win.. I don't care if he says he played well. The UEs were through the freaking roof today. He was missing everything on the backhand side. He kept standing in front of the baseline and had no answers whenever djokovic hit a deep shot on his backhand side. That's literally all Djokovic had to do to win a point: Hit a deep ball to his backhand.
I was more heartbroken last year because of how close the match was. Now I'm more sad and frustrated that Federer didn't play better. I mean, cool 2nd set, but if he has to go THAT far to win a mere set, something's wrong. Not to mention all those break points he missed and how he gave away the break in the third set.
If he either made more breakpoints and didn't throw away the break in the third set, or if he'd just made less UEs in general, he could've won. Just one of those two things would've been enough.
Seriously. This wimbledon, USO2014, W2014. All tournaments he could've won. He could've had 20 by now.
Sometimes I wonder..
My brother is a huge Fed fan as well and he feels exactly the way you do.
Exactly how I feel, word for word. Fed engages in countless baseline rallies was sheer stupidity.
Not a gut wrenching loss based on Roger's age, but he could have won this had he not mentally frozen.
My sentiments exactly (see my post on p. 70 in the match thread).
He kinda played his worst match on tournament, whereas Novak chose the right time to play his best match, by some margin, all tournament.
He did nothing but defend with his slice (rarely ever hit a low-skidding one, but merely tried to neutralize the rally), he was mentally off and he had no answers to any balls hit wide to his forehand (or to the ad-court, when he was camping in his BH corner).
Where was his freaking Friday clutchness? Where was the serve? Where was the belief?
Why did he had his worst service games in a long while just after breaking in the first? How could he miss that first pivotal volley in that game?
This post is closer to my own feelings than I care to admit
Beyond amazing. At 34 it took an ATG to stop him from winning Wimbledon. And he remains number 2 in the world. That's just incredible.
tennis lost today
The good thing is it looks like Roger didn't take the loss too well either. He looked pissed in his presser and is already chomping at the bit to get another piece of Djokovic somewhere...
This is so true! Guys! Don't be sad about the loss today! Be inspired by his fight and the fact that this man is still playing at 34. Celebrate that! 10 Wimbledon Finals is an unbelievable achievement.
I have to disagree. I watch almost all of Fed's pressers, from second round onwards, in all his tourneys. I think he appeared more amiable in this presser than in any other great loss. He almost always makes a passive-aggressive remark or seems wilted/devastated.
None of that today. He took this loss better than expected. Maybe he took a page out of Nole's book and pretended to be a super gracious loser.
Quite anticlimactic really. Playing exceptional tennis throughout the tournament, and runs into the machine called Djokovic. Not near his form in the Murray match either which was disappointing. It all felt like a dream run as some have said, and when he won that second set, I couldn't help but feel that it all might come together, But alas, Federer just cannot really compete with Djokovic from the baseline anymore. Djokovic was hammering Federer with those crosscourt forehands all match, and changing direction to great effect against Federer. Serving well under pressure also. Still an excellent run from the great man.
What was really a shame was that after that 2nd set tiebreak, my first thought was, "This is going to end up being the most clutch win of his career." I really got my hopes up when he got a quick break point in the 3rd. Very tough one to swallow given he had so many opportunities. Reminds me of the USO 2009.
I really thought he could do it.. but nope..
I'm convinced Federer is done winning slams.
*hangs up hat* Federer gave it the old college try, I think he's gonna have to meet anybody but Djokovic in the final to get that elusive number 18.
I still can't fathom it. Its driving me crazy. How many more chances is rogelio going to get?
i think it's a long road back to championship winning confidence, and he's close.
I still can't get over this loss...It feels different...Don't think Fed will ever get another shot.
As much as I hate to admit, this was the last opportunity for him.
I don't get why people are saying this is his last shot at a slam. He can win a grass or even a hard-court Slam as long as he avoids Djokovic. He's still the World #2 and without a doubt the second-best player in the world. Count him out at your own risk.
His best chance is if Joker does not turn up. Give him anyone else and he's got excellent chances.
You're probably blinded by your love for Federer to see things properly, but anyway...
Federer winning Wimbledon last year would have been an outright steal. Djokovic was the better player for most of the match, and should have closed it out in 4 (like he did this year) had it not been for a meltdown at the end of the 4th set.
Federer never came close to beating Cilic and saving he would've beat Djokovic this year had he made less UE is stupid. If only I had a better forehand, backhand, serve, volley, footwork and speed, fitness and mental strength, I could beat Djokovic...
It's quite telling when you have to rely on someone to lose to win a Major. Is it not a hollow feeling, knowing the only way for you to win is to hope your main rival loses because you know you can't beat them?
I agree that last year was easier to swallow. You know, it was 4-6 in the 5th and Fed even had a first look at a BP in the 5th back then. He showed big heart by denying a match point and winning the 4th. I also thought that Djokovic needed to really play his best (and a break) to marginally overcome Fed.
Today is different, and I feel as deflated as I was after the 2009 USO final, maybe the most disappointing loss of Fed ever. I also think that today he let the crowd and those who wanted him to win down. Not a good day if you're Federer, and not just because he has lost. Very high expectations were crashed easily, and not just because of Djokovic.
I think it is safe to say that Kevin Anderson could have been the difference between 17 and 18 slams. The guy even had multiple break points in the 5th set and missed some routine shots to waste those.
I'm not as devastated as I have been by previous Fed losses in slams. I was convinced he would beat Djoker in 4 sets, but the moment his serve was broken in the first set, I knew pretty much it was over. He's 34, it's all gravy at this point, though I desperately want him to get #18. We all do!
If you want to go back and count up the slams Fed should have won...
How about '05 AU when he had MP's against Safin and did that ridiculous tweener? I know that was just the semis, but he would have gone on to win that. The '09 loss to Del Potro was brutal because that would have meant 6 straight USO's. That would have been great for his legacy, moving ahead of Connors and Pete in USO wins.
The '08 Wimbledon final still hurts. Fed had that sitter FH in the fifth at 3-4 which would have produced the break. The '09 AO final was another bitter defeat.
Lol federer now let anyone down. He played his best and tried his best just Djokovic was way too good for him.
I've been thinking about this today and I am trying to take consolation from the fact that he didn't actually get close to winning the match. It would have been unbearable if he had chances to actually win and couldn't take them. For example imagine if he had served for the match and had match points and blew it like in the 2011 US Open semi final against Djokovic.
Well, Söderling is the difference between 16 and 17 Slams and, more importantly, the difference between having a career Slam or just being another Sampras/Lendl. You can't say he hasn't had his share of luck, he just can't have all the luck.
Agreed--if he had met anyone else in that match, he could have had a better chance.
I don't think he's ever going to win another, but it's not impossible if he gets a lucky break with some help from the draw like RG09.
Last time I checked, Nadal too had a career slam.
Yeah, I meant Sampras/Lendl.
Right, but...his Slam wins off the clay have been few, and mostly clustered around his peak of 08-10.
Rafa has 'only' 1 AUS, 2W, 2USO.
Fed only has one FO, and didn't go through Nadal...but has won everything else 4+ times.
Plus, he is (IIRC) the 2nd-winningest player of all time at the French Open, his worst surface. Rafa doesn't have that kind of accomplishment anywhere outside of RG.
WTF all of that have to do with what I wrote?
I guess I was explaining why someone would have grouped Rafa with Sampras. But apparently that guy mis-spoke and meant to say Lendl so forget what I said.
Ha, you say 'just another Sampras/Lendl like they are nobody's!
Whilst you are right in that Fed needed somebody to take out Nadal in order to win, even if Fed hadn't have won that, his record would still have been significantly better than Pete's at the FO. 5 finals compared to Pete's 1 semi final.
I was saying "another Sampras/Lendl" in relative terms (missing one major in their career), not in absolute terms of who's better or worse. I thought that was clear.
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