Design the Ultimate Player

Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by timnz, Dec 12, 2008.

  1. BobbyOne

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    Iron Man,

    You are not aware that eight of me ten mentioned players did play also in open era. Only Cochet and Riggs not. The eight were extremely strong in their prime and mostly also afterward.

    For instance Tony Roche beat John McEnroe in 1978 in straight sets.

    Another example: 42 years old Ken Rosewall defeated Guillermo Vilas by 6-2,6-2,6-0 in end-1976.

    AS the most posters on General Player Discussion you underrate the older players.

    The current players play faster but only by using modern equipment...
     
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  2. kiki

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    Yes.Rosewall is the only player than can match Laver´s BH ( at least one handed) and had just as good if not better footwork and volleys.He was a bit steadier returning, not as flashy, though.Laver had a better first serve and possibly a more percutant forehand, but the difference is really close.
     
  3. The-Champ

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    he gets overpowered or outplayed, I don't think he chokes at all.
     
  4. kiki

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    Maybe not, but you could see he never believed he could beat´em.

    Chang was a pretty good player, but vastly overrated ( maybe because he was short, like Ferrer he gest so much praise, but then...what about a true great short player like Laver or Rosewall???)
     
  5. The-Champ

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    Chang's greatest weapon was probably his determination and speed around the court. Weak serve, no huge fh, not great bh. Just adequate, average. He was good, nothing exceptional. I can't judge Laver or Rosewall, those gentlemen were before my time. But knowing how much they have achieved, they must have had talents beyond anyone else's, considering how short they were. I believe they would have been successful even today.
     
  6. LeeD

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    No matter how you like your forehands, you would probably not pick JonnyBlaze's forehand as your standard to copy.
     
  7. hoodjem

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    Huh?

    Complete sentence English, please?
     
  8. BobbyOne

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    hoodjem,

    Hello you critical poster,

    English is not my native language. But I guess that most readers understand my words...

    It must have read: As the most posters on G.P.D. do, you underrate the older players...
     
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  9. hoodjem

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    Okay. I respect that.

    But, in my observation on the GPD, most posters know little to nothing about pre-80s players. They seem to under-rate or discount them.
     
  10. Teniludius

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    Great post! I was just thinking of this on my own recently.

    First Serve .......... Sampras
    Second Serve ...... Sampras
    Forehand ............ Federer (pace, spin, direction, & versatility!)
    Backhand Topspin &/or Drive ... Djokovic
    Backhand Slice ..... Federer
    Overhead ............ Roddick
    Forehand Volley .... Sampras
    Backhand Volley .... Sampras
    Tenacity/Fighting Spirit .. Nadal
    Tactical Brain ............... Federer
    Physical Strength & Endurance .. Nadal

    Also:
    Return of Serve ....... Djokovic (even Agassi told Gilbert Djoker is the best!)
    Footwork ................ Federer
    Speed/Court Coverage .. Nadal
    Defensive Skills ......... Nadal
    Overall Ball Control ..... Federer
     
  11. kiki

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    I´d say little to nothing about pre-90s players...
     
  12. BobbyOne

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    hoodjem,

    Thanks.

    I agree that many posters, even a few of our forum, don't know much about the achievements of pre-1980s or even pre-1990s.
     

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