Designate a Peak year for each player

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  1. timnz

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    You might have 2 interpretations as to what 'Peak' year is. The year that the player had the most achievements or alternatively the year that they played in the best form - they aren't necessarily the same year. I'll go for the latter interpretation - but it is fair enough to go with the former.

    Laver - 1967 (1969 wasn't his peak year which makes the Grand Slam even more remarkable)
    Rosewall - 1963 (or was it 1962?)
    Lendl - 1987 (or was it 1986?)
    Connors - 1982 (or was it 1976 or 1974?)
    McEnroe - 1984
    Becker - 1989 (most achieved), 1996 (peak form)
    Edberg - 1991 (or was it 1990?)
    Nastase - 1973
    Newcombe - 1973 (or was it 1972 or 1974?)
    Sampras - 1994 (this was tricky - could be any year from 1993 to 1997)
    Federer - 2006 (or was it 2005?)
    Nadal - 2008 (or was it 2010 or 2013?)
    Djokovic - 2011
    Agassi - 1999/2000 (or was it 1995?)
     
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  2. hoodjem

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    It was 1963: US Pro, French Pro, and Wembley.
     
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  3. 90's Clay

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    Level wise it could be 1999 for Sampras. He missed a few slams because of injuries that year but when he was healthy he was playing some lights out tennis From Grass-Indoor season. Wimbledon, Cincinatti, YEC.

    He would have probably breezed through the USO that year and maybe would have won the AO as well

    Level wise probably May 2008- Early 2009 for Nadal before injuries (though you can certainly arguable for 2010 since he did win 3 slams on 3 different surfaces that year).


    1995 for Agassi probably level wise. He was a terror that year mopping up hardcourt titles left and right. 1999 can certainly be argued. He was great that year as well


    For Fed I personally think he was better in 2005 than he was in 2006. The field was pretty subpar in 2006 which kind of inflated Fed's results that year. 2005 there was some better opposition there
     
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    Very good list. I'm going with 74 for Connors. He was in the best shape of his life and just kicking *** and taking names. The tennis greats of the time didn't know what to do about him other than look old and act bitter.

    I go with 95 for Agassi. It would be interesting to hear what he thinks. It's always interesting to hear what Andre thinks.

    2008 for Nadal because of his unbelievable movement and power, but this last year was very, very interesting. Tennis #1s have almost always had a very prescribed trajectory to their career. They rise through the ranks, get to the top, cling to it as long as they can, and then fade away only to occasionally challenge again in big tournaments. Not only did Nadal just reset to 2008, but Djokovic looks primed to retake #1 next year. What is this about? Improved fitness and rehab? Rest of the tour has taken a step back? Vacuum at the top where nobody has been able to dominate since Federer suddenly got old? Djokovic and Nadal rivalry is just unique in that they bring out the best in each other but cannot separate?
     
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    Level Based:

    Laver: 1967
    Rosewall: 1963
    Ashe: 1968
    Newcombe: 1973
    Nastase: 1973
    Connors: 1974
    Borg: 1979? (Toughie)
    McEnroe: 1984
    Lendl: 1987
    Edberg: 1988
    Becker: 1989
    Courier: 1992
    Muster: 1995
    Sampras: 1999 (Best Form)
    Agassi: 1999
    Hewitt: 2001
    Federer: 2005
    Nadal: 2008
    Djokovic: 2011
     
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  6. BobbyOne

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    hoodjem, Yes, plus three important tours (vs.Laver; 6 men tour; vs Laver) plus Kramer Cup without a loss.
     
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  7. CyBorg

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    Lendl - definitely 1986. Much more consistent.

    Newcombe - not 1973, not even close. Yes, he won that US Open, but apart from this he struggled mightily.
     
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    And another person picks 1973 for Newcombe. Why?

    The Australian was meaningless. His only accomplishment of consequence that year was the US Open, which no one expected him to win.

    But look at 1971 - Wimbledon, Philadelphia, Dallas. All big titles won against stars.
     
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    Laver: 1967
    Rosewall: 1963
    Lendl: 1986
    Connors: 1974
    McEnroe: 1984
    Becker: 1989
    Edberg: 1991
    Nastase: 1973
    Newcombe: 1971
    Sampras: 1994
    Federer: 2006
    Nadal: 2008
    Djokovic: 2011
    Agassi: 1995
     
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  10. kiki

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    2 out of 6 majors in 73 but he did better, as you mentioned, in 1971, when he was really at his peak

    As for Borg, 1979 or 1980; results wise, he played the 1980 USO final while faltered at the 1979 USO, not being able to get through the QF, so maybe 80 is a bit better ( he played a lot more of tournaments in 79 anyhow).

    In 1978 he also played the USO F but didn´t win the Masters so, for Borg it is still close 1978,79 or 1980.
     
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    Nastase had better results in 72 than in 73 ( played the Wimbledon final and won the Masters and US Open), but is extremely close.Nastase´s peak is 1970-1975 but was still a top ten member till 1978.

    Stan Smith, it is 1971 ( although 1972 is so close)

    Vilas, of course, is 1977.

    Orantes, I guess is 1975 and Panatta is 1976.

    Gerulaitis best year is 1979 ( although he had comparable years in 78 and 80, funny he and his friend and nemesis Borg had the very same best years) and Roscoe Tanner, he wasn´t that consistent althogether, but he pulled off the best results in 1979 as well.

    Funny game whatsoever.

    The real great ones have 3-4 years that are comparable and just a slight better performance may favour one year over the rest.
     
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  12. Gizo

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    For Borg, while his 1978 and 1980 seasons were also incredible, 1979 was definitely his absolute peak year in terms of his standard of tennis. His tennis that year was really on another level, and he made even Connors and McEnroe look completely helpless on quite a few occasions.

    For Sampras, I think his absolute best tennis was from Wimbledon 1993 to Wimbledon 1994, so you could make a case for either 1993 or 1994. I think that from start to finish, his best standard of tennis was in 1993, even if 1994 was maybe statistically better with 2 more titles including the YEC.

    For Lendl, he was more consistent in 1986 than in 1987, with 1 more title and 1 fewer defeat. He only failed to reach the semi-finals in one official tournament he entered in 1986, and his defeats came against Becker 3 times, Edberg, Noah and Curren, so there were no 'bad losses'. In 1987 he suffered defeats against David Pate and Peter Lundgren.

    However in 1987 he beat Wilander in his RG and US Open finals as opposed to Pernfors and Mecir in 1986, and he beat Edberg in the semis at Wimbledon (clearly the best victory of his career at Wimbledon).
     
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    I agree with 1971 for Newcombe, with his big titles at Wimbledon, Philadelphia, Montreal etc and numerous good quality victories over his biggest rivals. Even had the Australian Open been on a par with the other majors in 1973 which it clearly wasn't, his record away from Kooyong and Forest Hills that year was far from great and not sufficient for that to be classed as his best year.

    Edberg was more consistent at the majors in 1991 than 1990 when he lost in the 1st round at RG and the US Open. His USO conqueror Volkov was strongly suspected to have tanked his next match against Todd Witsken so he could fulfill his contractual obligation to play in the German Bundesliga team event the following weekend.

    Plus in 1991 there was Edberg's destruction of Courier in the US Open final, which he himself labelled as the best performance of his career. However his annihilation of Wilander in his 1990 Aussie Open semi was just as good IMO, plus he put together that 21 match/4 tournament winning streak during the summer of 1990 to dethrone Lendl as the world no. 1.
     
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    Edberg injured himself in the last game of that match.
     
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    Yep he did which was a huge shame, as it marred an otherwise great day for him.

    Edberg himself said that he played absolutely perfect tennis that day, with something like an 80% 1st serve percentage and nearly 40 volley winners. Wilander said he wasn't expecting Edberg to maintain his flawless level throughout the match, but he did.

    I think that performance was definitely on a similar level to his masterclass against Courier in 1991.
     
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    Interesting, hadn't heard that.

    krosero did stats on that match, his serve % was 77.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=179739
     
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    You really know your stuff on Pete 90s mate. Totally agree 1999 was his peak year in terms of level. He was a unstoppable force of nature for a few months. Nobody in history would have had a chance against him at that stage.

    Totally agree about Agassi aswell in 95 he was a beast in Australia. His best year.

    Federers peak years for me could be any from 04-07 he was unreal in that period. I'm not sure which is best. I'm going for 04 I think. Overall he is the GOAT.

    Nadal I think was best in 2013 because his attacking play was the best in his life.

    Mcenroe 1984

    Djokovic 2011 and 2014 hopefully

    Lendl 1987

    Murray 2013

    Borg 1980

    Connors 1974

    Wilander 1988
     
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  18. Graf=GOAT

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    Federer: 2006
    Nadal: 2008
    Djokovic: 2011
     
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    Oddly enough, Rosewall's peak year may have indeed been 1962, and not his Pro Grand Slam Year of 1963. Rosewall won the only two pro majors that he played in 1962: Wembley and the French Pro. Rosewall was 40-5 in tournament play for a winning percentage of 88.89. He was 11-2 on tours (1-0 in other matches) for a total record of 52-7 in the super tough pro tour playing the cream of the crop. He won 9 tournaments out of 15 played and was runner up in 2 others. His record for the year was 52-7 which is a winning percentage of 88.14. To put this in perspective Pete Sampras was 77-12 in his best year of 1994 in winning two majors (the Australian and Wimbledon) out of four played. Sampras won 10 tournaments out of 18 entered. Sampras' winning percentage was 86.52. I was say Rosewall's years was superior easily because it was done against tougher competition because he had no easy matches. The pro tour in those days was just at a higher level.

    In 1963 Rosewall was 89-26 including all the matches for a winning percentage of 77.39. In just tournament play Rosewall was "only" 30-10 for a winning percentage of 75%. He played 13 tournament and won five of them. Of course he played a lot on the head to head tours that year against Laver and others.
     
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    hoodjem, Thanks for the statistics. I'm grateful that you write Rosewall had tough opposition in 1962. Other posters had stated differently...
     
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    If one thinks back of the 70´s and 80´s as a whole, it always seemed to me that the 70´s were a BH dominated period and the 80´s leaned towards FH domination.

    Connors,Laver,Rosewall,Kodes,Ashe,Orantes,Vilas,Evert,Goolagong as opposed to Borg,Newcombe,Okker and Nastase

    and then Borg,Lendl,Clerc,Mecir,Gomez,Arias,Becker,Kriek,Mandlikova and Graf as opposed to Connors,Edberg,Teltscher,Sabatini and Evert and maybe Leconte
     
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