Developing consistent follow through on forehands.

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  1. royalfan5

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    For the most part, my struggle to maintain a consistent follow through on my forehand is keeping me from developing it as a usable weapon. What is there to do to help develop the necessary consistence as far drills and what not?
     
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  2. Fuji

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    What do you mean a more consistent follow through? Like as in the same follow through each shot? Are you using the same grip all the time? So many variables! I'm sure someone will be able to help you more, but I don't know too much about an odd follow through!

    -Fuji
     
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  3. dozu

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    the goal should be consistent impact.... follow thru doesnt matter.
     
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  4. royalfan5

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    As in often times I just stop after making contact.
     
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  5. Fuji

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    Oh weird. Well the first thing that I would question is your technique, if you are using the full body kinetic chain, when you whip through the ball, you should not be stopping after a shot. The only way I even come close to decelerating at a shot is if I completely arm it to death. It hurts my shoulder to stop. Do you use full body rotation when you hit???

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  6. Jake Speed

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    One ball is all you need.

    Pick any end of the net, close to the pole.

    From about 4 or 5 feet back, take your forehand stance then simply "drop and hit" a ball into the net.

    Repeat this forever!

    It's an exercise that can be used to grove a forehand, backhand, AND an opportunity to practice grips.

    The workout is great also.

    Here's the thing, once mastered, you can hit any ground stroke you want, repeatedly, because the ball always comes back, sets up nicely, AND you can "LET LOOSE." Develope that lacking follow through!

    Eventually you'll be able to tell, from where the ball hits the net, if your strokes are good.

    Better than hitting against a wall and you can do three times the work in the same amount of time.

    Yes, all my students received a lesson or two, learning this!

    Try it, you will not be disappointed.

    It's good training!

    JS #1
     
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  7. royalfan5

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    Not always, is part of the problem.
     
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  8. dozu

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    HOG WASH ALERT!
     
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  9. Fuji

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    Hmm, that could be a pretty big part of it then. If your arming the ball, it could prevent you from having a full and proper follow through.

    -Fuji
     
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  10. Jake Speed

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    Bozo,

    You're a big time teaching Pro, and you never taught this?

    Ever see it?

    Been around since I was 10 years old.

    Mastered!

    You can hit repeated forehands, closed or open, backhands also.

    You can rip and let loose, push up and leave the ground also, just like hitting playing drives.

    Hey, you need no one to do this and only one ball.

    JS #1
     
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  11. dozu

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    I am not a teaching pro.

    OP's problem cannot be solved by repetition. need to get rid of flaws first.
     
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  12. i_heart_ib

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    Why would you practice hitting the ball into the net when in tennis, you're trying to consistently get the ball OVER the net.

    Am i missing something here?
     
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  13. Jake Speed

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    Yes you are.

    Read my reply again.

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  14. Jake Speed

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    OK, thought you were?

    I apologize for that mistake.

    We could become buddies here!

    You got anything to apologize for?

    Yes, you are correct, I understand what you are saying, but he didn't mention issues with his strokes, just the follow through?

    Letting loose is letting loose, fix the stuff after.

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  15. dozu

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    can still become buddies if you post a video.

    OP's follow thru is a tell take sign of flaw, hence go straight to the root cause.
     
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  16. mightyrick

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    I would recommend doing wall work. Go find a wall somewhere. Put a square of masking tape up on the wall. Maybe 2 feet by 2 feet. Then just stand back and start trying to rally to that spot on the wall.

    Start close to the wall at first. When you can do 20 in a row, then take a step back. Do the same thing. Over and over again until you can do it from a decent distance.

    Before I ever played a match with anyone, I did this drill for probably a month. I got very good at hitting that spot. Or at least right around it.

    I've went back to wall drills again since I've changed from a 118" racquet to a 95" racquet. I need to re-discover my swing groove again.
     
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  17. EdgeTennis

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    Loosen your grip and try to feel your body stopping your arm. Start off a slow ball (you can drop it and hit it if you want) but like they said you have to repeat this over and over again until the muscle memory is stronger than your old muscle memory.
     
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  18. LeeD

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    Wrap your followthru all the way around to the other shoulder every time.
     
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  19. Limpinhitter

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    Try this:

    "In the preparation, look over the front shoulder, and in the finish, look over the other shoulder."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kPaH_IaazY
     
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    Wouldn't it be better to get a hopper full of balls and drop-hit them over the net?

    In this way, you can observe what different adjustments (grip, contact point, swing path) do to the spin and trajectory of the ball. If you toss the ball a bit, you can also work on footwork.

    It would suck to have one ball that you are hitting into the net repeatedly. Any time you miss the net you must do the Walk Of Shame all the way to the other side to retrieve it.
     
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  21. sc0tt2288

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    Hit a reverse forehand
     
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  22. GuyClinch

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    I have/had this problem. You are probably slowing down your swing before you hit the ball. I was.

    This will screw your finish - and this happens when some players get 'nervous' about hitting their shots. It's actually better to swing with less energy at the start and not slow down at all then try to swing hard and stop your swing.

    For most players if you swing through you are going to finish above your shoulder. If you have already got into the habit of putting alot of 'rotation' on your forehand you will finish lower down like a modern pro. (This is unlikely as its tougher then the OTS finish).

    What you should do is swing through the ball and then hold your finish. If you are really swinging through and then you 'hold' it for a second I bet your finish will be pretty consistent. Don't try to force your finish to something its not either. This is often related to the above problem. The player will slow down their swing before contact and then try to bend the arm to whatever spot they think is right.

    Just swing through - if you aren't getting the action on the ball you want you might have to change your finish. But that will be because you are hitting a different kind of ball.

    Most amateur players actually won't have a bunch of different finishes - its the pros that do because they are hitting various amount of topspin and and sometimes using reverse forehands.

    Pete
     
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    I'd have to shoot the thing with a paper bag over my head.

    I don't think I could play that way? Not very well anyways.

    JS #1
     
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  24. royalfan5

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    I did a lot better when I played this morning. I worked on making sure I rotated my body which helped significantly. That led to me notice that getting my feet in the right place was probably the biggest issue I was having that was interfering with my body rotation. One things I have really had to fight since taking up tennis, is the instinct to stop the ball with my body which is quite useful in the other sports I have played.
     
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    a ski mask should do just fine.. and why is it necessary to hide your identity? If I were a teaching pro, I'd love to get free eyeballs.
     
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  26. GuyClinch

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    You can easily blur faces post production. <g> No need to suffer with a ski mask.
     
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  27. SFrazeur

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    This is an issue where the problem could be occurring from a number of technical and/or timing issues. I would assume it's a contact issue. However,
    I could not want to suggest corrections, fixes without having seen it for myself as I do not know the originating cause.

    -SF
     
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  28. SFrazeur

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    I could see possibly doing this as a short exercise, maybe. However, as a long term exercise it has certain problems. For starters, practicing this would inhibit a natural low-to-high lifting motion.

    -SF
     
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  29. Jake Speed

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    With all due respect.

    You've never done this or heard of this training method, and you're knocking it? If you try this, instead of just talk about this, you will clearly see, it's just the opposite of your claims.

    That's smart. Typical of the Forum. Comment when you don't know jack.

    FYI. I've had students do this since 1972.

    If you saw myself hit this way, you would think I was in the back court hitting ground strokes. Off both sides!

    Just goes to show you, I'm wasting my time here, no one appreciates anything, and the jealously is, out of control.

    And, one more thing. I said this in another Post early on.

    I've been teaching service pronation since 1972 also. That's like writing the book!

    There's a way to talk about it, and a way to teach it.

    I see no one teaching it!

    JS #1
     
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  30. Jake Speed

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    Just a teaching Pro? I don't think so.

    Here's the problem.

    Everyone knows that "everyone" lies about, what they are, or who they are, and I don't mind this. People need to "invent" or they wouldn't be anything, right?

    So I come along and everyone believes I'm behaving like everyone else.

    But clearly I'm not, and that's obvious. This is why I'm being attacked, and everything I say is being challenged.

    I've been as honest as I could since my first day.

    If my identity was found out, I'd have to leave, simple as that.

    Now, if I left, who would you have to pick on?

    No one that really knows what they are talking about, that's for sure.

    So, we can play the "game."

    Isn't that really what this is?

    JS #1

    PS. I still need to learn how to place a photo. I have this tennis court in my back yard I'd people to see. There a some nice people out there.
     
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  31. Jake Speed

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    Double Post?
     
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    "If my identity was found out, I'd have to leave, simple as that."

    what is that supposed to mean? are you banned from this forum? are there some contractual obligations? (well, other teaching pros here apparently don't have that problem).

    Just wear a ski mask, and hit for 5min. easy as pie.

    you can upload picture/videos in tinypic, and put links here.
     
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  33. Jake Speed

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    Bingo!

    Taken a while, but you're learning.

    You are a slow learner.

    JS #1
     
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  34. dozu

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    what about the ski mask.
     
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  35. SFrazeur

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    I did not say it was a bad exercise as a whole, only that I see problems using it as a long term exercise.


    You seem to have an exception that you should be respected for 40 years of experience. How is one supposed to respect this experience when no one knows or sees proof that it exists? And just because someone has been doing something for 40 years does not mean they have been doing it well or right. Not an attack. it's just a pet peeve.

    -SF
     
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  36. Jake Speed

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    I don't think so.

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  37. Jake Speed

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    Sure, I agree with that, and to some degree, you're correct.
    (Not about me. :)

    Disagree if you like, but not because of some whim, or because of my 40 years of not knowing anything. Go do it first.

    I will say this, hitting "correctly" against the net, isn't as easy as it sounds, or looks, for that matter. And to perfect this technique, takes understanding, practice and effort.

    That leaves out a bunch!

    FYI. It will only help you, as will ALL my advice, Grasshopper.

    JS #1
     
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  38. mightyrick

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    I'm surprised you really aren't prescribing wall work. No disrespect to your 40 years of being involved in tennis, but hitting into the net doesn't drive a person to create a full stroke. A wall requires someone to see the ball coming back at them, it requires (fast) footwork to get into position, it encourages a full turn, backswing, and follow-through.

    A drop-hit into the net doesn't do this.

    That said, I'm not a teaching pro. In fact, with tennis, I'm not sure what qualifies someone to teach.

    I only know what worked for me. And what worked for me was reading about what other ATP professionals did to groove their strokes early on. All it requires is a wall, some balls, and time/practice. After 1.5 years, I went from never having held a tennis racquet to beating most 3.5s in my area.

    I think there are probably several methods someone can use to groove their forehand. Personally, I think hitting against a wall has the best return on investment (for beginners) and covers all of the mechanics of the stroke.

    At some point, though, I think rallying with someone else is the best thing to do.
     
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  39. dozu

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    stop hiding behind some 'contractual' thing.... plenty evidence points to that you are not a real pro, or a real sucky one.

    I can understand that there maybe some clauses to prevent you from teaching outside the contract, but posting stuff here is not even commercial, there are no $$$ involved.

    Show me the contract and I will believe you.
     
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  40. NamRanger

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    A wall can help you groove your stroke but because of the way the ball bounces off the wall it can be detrimental to your development later on.


    Ball machines (particularly the more expensive ones) are a good substitute for hitting partners / coaches when you have no one else to hit with.
     
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  41. Jake Speed

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    Good man!! Kudos!!

    This is why "working the net" is better.

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    IMO, working off a wall would be tough. You have less than half the time you would normally get rallying to ready yourself and hit the next ball. You would already need a good foundation to do that. Otherwise, it's hit and then shank a shot from a jury-rigged stance.
     
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  43. Jake Speed

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    I never said a wall didn't have a place for learning. Show me where I said that?

    I'm the guy that broke all the windows at my school, because there were no tennis courts.

    I learned against a wall!

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