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  1. Power Player

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    Awesome..thanks man. I will keep it stock at first just in case I don't dig it and want to ship it out to Dali. I also want to experience the frame as intended, but that mod definitely makes sense, especially since leather can get to me if I use it too long.

    So none of you guys have really goated the Pro Open for very long? I think that is going to get a test drive from me. I will have an intermediate, advanced and expert stick in the bag.

    Think it is safe to say I am a Wilson guy now. The solid feel and perfect grip shape have me addicted.
     
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    One of my hitting partners who is a solid 4.5 tourney winner uses a stock pro open and routinely massacres me...it is annoying yet awesome at the same time. He has a low pace super flat serve that is hard to attack, then reverts to a moonball lull bombardment followed by a low pace flat winner out of nowhere...
     
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    wow..interesting. I want to see if I play better with light sticks or heavier ones. I feel like the 6.1 is the ideal racquet, but I have nothing similar to compare it to, so the Pro Open seems like a nice tweener option. The EXO 100 is just too different.

    Only way to really figure it out is to have them both in the bag for a while and see what happens. Dgoran does it right.he has PT630s and Pure Drives as well.

    I think we could all learn from that..lol.

    Can't believe I lasted 5 hours with the 6.1. Definitely gives me some confidence..only thing is that serving can sometimes be tiring with it after hour 3. but really, how many times are you going to have 3 hour matches?
     
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    Ha, good, so it's not just me then who can yo-yo between very different kind of frames.:)
     
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    No it's just a little tricky..but there is always that debate ..which is better for your game? that type of thing. Sticks are getting lighter now..so it is a little tougher to figure out the optimal way to go.

    My main thing has always been figuring out if I like a 330ish SW and a light 11oz ish stick or a mid 12 oz stick and a little lower SW. I seem to work well with either, so who the heck knows..lol.

    Definitley seems like the 6.1 weighting is more for me, but I'd like to give the Pro Open a run just to see how it goes. they are dropping a new one on a few weeks, so I can get the older one pretty cheap.
     
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    Been dealing with some of this lately and struggling a bit going from my usual fast-paced hitting partners to softer hitters who just play consistently. I wish I could learn to keep my exact stroke speed, effort regardless, but then I often get lulled into the softer play as well because I love pace coming at me - especially with the heavier sticks - but then find it more difficult to generate it all on my own with the heavier sticks; this I've always found easier with lighter ones. Hence, the constant lighter-vs.-heavier conundrum. PP's Pro Open experiment should be an interesting one to watch.
     
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    Yeah I hit with one guy who gives me no pace the whole time..he also hits with some nice topspin now and then for dynamics..uses a 120 Head oversize crossbow with no lead . It is tiring to hit with him. He beats everyone too because his shotmaking is so precise. His lobs drop on the baseline..dropshots are nasty.

    My best attacks on him are deep corner balls that I follow to net. He just tires you out so you really have to be hitting with great placement.
     
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    Since, you are looking in that direction, you may want to try the Juice 100 as well, the balance is a bit more HL: 6pts versus 4pts for the Pro Open and also 320g strung vs 314g for the older Pro Open.

    You'll have fun with the Juice.
     
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    Ive been reading up on the jaycee method and its proving rather interesting. The whole idea of not losing the polys elasticity before you start is obviously important and needs more understanding on my part.

    Therewas also mention of thicker poly mains/softer thinner poly cross having great playability. Thats why the Iontec appeals at it feels soft and plush, I think it would really suit being with the PP blackout Ive just used.
    So many connotations, but Ive got a few plush/power polys that I wouldnt really play as they are a little too powerful even tho their feel is great, I cant string too high in the Melly so they suit being crossed with something relatively stiffer.

    Still got the Hexaspin twist in my racket, just havent had a moment to get it out, its had about 10-12hrs and its still going great, tension loss is minimal but what i did find today was a looseness in bite, where i would normally come across the ball hitting crosscourt and it would grip and hold the line, today more slipped wide. Not drematically enough to panic, but I would deffo cut it out here.

    Going full poly again but with a little more reading Im gonna go for my first poly/poly set up after Ive enjoyed the Pacific power pro.
     
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    Yeah I may give it a go. the Pro open is just seeming like it gets better reviews and is supposedly on par with the Pure Drive. The main thing is it has no cortex..lol.

    But I could very easily not be into light sticks anymore. That is what I am trying to figure out. Same thing as Gads mentioned, it is tough to figure out how I like to swing. The heavier sticks are amazing as long as you stay relaxed, but I have always been the type to muscle the ball more. I don't mean arm it, I mean hit it with aggressive topspin.

    Anyway between a kps88 and a pro open I think I will have all the styles covered and be able to figure out the best setup. It almost makes sense that I love the 6.1 so much, as it is a hybrid of the 2 sticks in a way.
     
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    Spec wise, the juice seems much closer to the PD from what I saw. Juice plays like a softer PD with more feel. Both PD and Juice are roughly 320g and 6pts HL. The Juice does have a lower SW at 311 but that's not an issue.

    I've always done better with sticks that are 5pts HL and greater but that's me. I like a more traditional relationship between static weight and balance. Plus, I can't break an egg with something that's sub 320g static.....lol
     
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    Oh forgot to say I hit with the APDgt today for a short time, strung mid tension with RPM blast. Easy hit but felt completely unstable compared to what Im used to, kind of a twistweight thing more than anything. Didnt feel too large but I was struggling to get the power I can generate with my Melbourne. I can see why these are very popular and my opponent loves his stick until we had a couple of sets and it went flying thro the air!
     
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    I know what exactly what you mean. I can use a static 337g to 343g and a balance between 31.8cm and 32.3cm with an open pattern and prefer a head size 95 to 98.

    You hit the nail on the head about muscling the ball: with 340ish, you can still do that but at 350 plus, it's tough. I've got one of those 400lb Exmark walk behind mowers that I cut my yard with-sometimes, I try to turn it with just my arms and not using the rear wheel drive-impossible to muscle it...lol

    Otherwise, I can forget it. I hate to think how many demo hours it took me to figure that out :twisted:
     
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    Yeah..its funny i used to hit big with a stock apdc. I agree, the balance is a little head heavy, but that is due to the lightness. If i leaded a stick like that, i would definitley counterbalance. Also an og usually gives you another point hl.

    Ill be honest, i just cant get into the juice. And i read people who have played both and it seems many prefer the pro open. For a stick id basically be experimenting with, the price is right as well. Id be getting the current older version.
     
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    That makes me wonder..if you use a 5 gram tournagrip, does that mean u could put 3 or 4 grams at 12 and effectively not need to counterbalance?
     
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    I feel as if I am on the search for fusing perfect swingfeel with perfect output.
    Swingfeel is the combo of sw, balance and headshape that makes the racquet just feel good in the hand. Examples: ps85, ytpp

    Output is the quality of outgoing ball. Example: ytep, kps88

    oftentimes these two things dont go together. Ytpp equals perfect swingfeel with poor output.
    Conversely, ytep equals blobby swingfeel with awesome output.

    Now some racquets have both: tour 90, tec320, possibly 95D...
    This is where I'm headed. That special mixture where the swing feels natural and the outgoing ball is big enough.
    Mix in comfort and forgiveness and we get an even smaller circle.

    Rdis200 might be in there, gads and maddog, how goes it?
     
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    Yeah the 6.1 is closest for me. Just insanely solid, and hits a big ball.

    Wonder if u lead up a lighter power tweener a little at 12 and get it to around 330 sw if it would do it as well. That is the question for me. I feel like sw is the secret to crushing the ball. The 6.1 i have with the higher sw definitley gives that feeling, but since it weighs the same as the other one, it is tough to tell.

    If u have a stick that is 11.5 and 330 sw, in theory you have a modern serving, baseline machine. The main thing is then on volleys and push shots you will not have the stability as the 12oz plus sticks. But you should have heaviness and lots of spin on your groundstrokes.

    Anyway, i intend to find this stuff out.
     
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    This post makes a lot of sense. My 200 is arriving Wednesday, I believe. Not sure if I'm going to give a quick hit to the Lux BB Rough that's in there when it arrives (one or two hits only, but it's been in there for five months), or just restring immediately. Thoughts?

    MD's 200 fell through: Skeeter actually realized that his 200 was the lighter version 200 rather than the heavier one we've been discussing.

    This is exactly what I have with my PK Aces and 7G, though they're in the 11.6-8 range. Stability up at the net doesn't seem to be an issue. But... I don't go to the net terribly often.

    Played with the Aces tonight against my 5.0-5.5 crusher buddy. Lost 7-5 and 6-4 but anytime I stay that close to him I'm happy. His lefty serve from way up there - guy is about 6'3 - was the difference but I'm so happy with how I hit the ball tonight. The guy always ups my game.

    Now, strings: Mad Dog recently laced up my Aces with a full bed of Tour Bite and a full bed of Big Hitter Silver, and my 7G with a hybrid of BHS/N Vy.

    I'm positively in love with all three stringbeds. The crisp string with the slightly softer (but still solid) Ace is just heavenly. Haven't played any sets with the 7G hybrid (as the 7G has taken more of a backseat to my Aces) but now the N Vy has my full attention as a cross string. Very, very nice feel there.

    Finally, a serious contender to tour bite has arrived for me. This Big Hitter Silver is stellar. The Tour Bite is more lively, the Silver is more controlled and even. Both are beautifully crisp in my PKs without being harsh, and both have been giving me many of those last-second droppers at the baseline that I like to see sometimes. Two hours on each bed and they're neck and neck in performance for me.
     
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    This is actually kind of where where I'm at too these days (see obsessive posts previously about thoughts on 'swingability' factor re C10 Pro and PD+. :))

    For me the PD+ is perfect example of frame with immense 'output' but tricky on the 'swingfeel'. Whilst the C10 Pro is a perfect example of 'swingfeel' being amazing but 'outut' so-so.

    There are variables and it's all acutely subjective (with the exception of Heads... and I even find the 6.1s take a heck of a lot of getting used to... I really can't seem to gel with frames with 95" hoop-size and under.... and how about a standard APD or PD?) I also think you could almost have seperate categories for 'solidness' and 'control'.

    For me though, racks that have both 'swingfeel and output' are: 6.1s, TGKPP, PT630, Exo 100.
     
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    Yes it gets interesting. Best way to figure it out is to play with both sticks and not get too crazy on lead.

    I would probably add 3 grams at 12 to the Pro Open after hitting with it stock just to see what it does. I ended up putting lead at 3 and 9 on the EXO tour and that seemed to work better for that stick...but I think that was due to it's stock balance of 7 pts HL.

    When you have a more head heavy stick, I think it is balanced that way for a reason. While you can add leather or weight to re balance it to "your specs", it usually turns the racquet into a flyswatter if you go too big. sometimes it works ..the APD works with some lead in the buttcap, but just a little.

    Anyway, I am thinking that tournagrip can slightly rebalance a racquet enabling it you to add some lead to the tip and get more swingweight out of it...which should allow you to crush balls and maintain a lower weight. Or not..

    Anyway, it is tough when I can play with either racquet..heavier ones like the 6.1 or light ones like the APD. I think the question then is what gives you more consistency...especially on serve. So far the 6.1 is the best option out there for me.

    Gads, glad you like the Nvy. What tension do you have it at?
     
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    That's a tough one. I find that SW can be misleading at times and can be most helpful in comparing how two similarly static weighted sticks will swing: a 350g stick with a 324 SW will swing much lighter than a 350g stick with 340 SW. It's probably unlikely that a 314g stick with a 330SW will pack the same punch. It almost seems like 330g static is the lower threshold to an effortless heavy ball.

    The overall mass still has a say in the outcome.
    Hitting with a D1 player recently who uses a stock PDGT: he tried out my 342g APDgt and I could tell an immediate uptick in his weight of shot. His stick speed is off the charts but the extra mass combined made a big difference and his ball was pushing me back more.
     
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    BHS in the mains at 53# and N.Vy in the crosses at 58.5#
     
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    Is the BHS rough or smooth?

    I used BHB last year and liked it but it felt "thin" for its gauge size and ended up popping pretty quickly. Is BHS more durable?
     
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    Yes..330grams is pretty easy to get too..OG, damp, 3-4 grams of lead and you are about there.

    But the guy is a D1 player using a PD stock..lol. That is what I am saying..same specs as the pro open basically..same racquet at least..the PD hits a little bigger, but the Pro Open hits with more control. Regardless, this guy is at a D1 level hitting with a stock Pure Drive and winning matches. That in itself tells me that mass could possibly be overrated for some players.

    What is his play style?
     
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    ^^He uses the PD now. His playing stick at D1 3 years back was a 6.1 95 16X18. He's a baseliner who hits with good spin but his party trick is taking it very early and hits heavy off both wings.
     
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    Cool..so he was using the blx at the d1 level and now he is playing more rec and uses a stock PD?

    Is he a gear guy or just plays whatever?

    A ton of open level guys use the 6.1 and a ton use the PD..some with lead..some not..it's pretty interesting.

    And to your last point, the timing. That is really a huge secret to power...taking it early..may be why so many people use the light racquets.
     
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    i strung up regular BHS 17 for Gads. not sure on durability yet as he's only got about 2 hrs on it so far.
     
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    This! So true, all the best guys I hit with have stick speed off the charts and can hit with anything.

    My buddy is not gear sensitive at all, he can pick up and use anything. I tried the lighter stick/heavier SW route and couldn't make it work for me.

    I will say that the YT rad pro that both you and I used came close. Less SW would have made that one perfect for me-332g strung was really nice but that 344SW was just crazy!
     
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    Yep..im still trying to figure it out but have narrowed it down to the 6.1 so far as my favorite so far. It basically can do anything you want and doesn't eat strings for being so good at spin.

    I am going to get a pro open and figure this out for once and for all. Maybe it is best to have both and when you pick 1, just keep the others in your closet just in case you change your mind.

    It boils down to how you like to hit as well. I know with heavier sticks, you need a more relaxed swing. If I swing too hard with the blx, I tend to make mistakes. The pro at my club was telling me and BadCall that you either use relaxed strokes like Federer or you muscle like Rafa would.

    Sometimes in matches I just can't keep from hitting out more..I think that is why I always did so well with the apd. But when I stay in control, the 6.1 is amazing. ugggh..anyway, i will figure it out..there are much worse problems to have in life..lol.
     
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    As far as light sticks go, I definitely wouldnt kick that Woz racquet out of bed. It has a very true stringbed for a 100si frame. Nor the 98d for that matter, I had a hard time picking between 95 and 98d.
    Really shocked at the power level of the 98d, it can produce some 320 esque heavy balls.
    Not to sound like buckethead, but I am really impressed with the build quality of the yonex frame, the attention to detail, it just feels expensive in the hand.
     
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    yeah i respect the yon, but I personally am sticking with Willy. The grip shape and feel of them is so awesome for me. Also, it will make comparing racquets (light vs heavy) a lot easier when I am not lusting for one's grip shape over the other. I did not like the yonex grip AS much as Wilson. I always miss the Wilson now.

    But the Woz is pretty gangster apparently and that thing has a beastly low SW. I believe the Pro Open could be another 7g(slept on stick that is amazing), so I will forge on.

    FedK, if you choose to accept the light/heavy battle, you could do a Vcore95 vs Wozzy war in which you simply have both sticks over time and see which you win more with.
     
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    You sound exactly like buckethead....lol ;)

    Seriously though, how is stability on the 98d vs the Tec?

    I'm getting ready to Hyperion-ize the Tec next week. Got a set of that and some black code coming as well.
     
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    I agree it really starts with gripshape. That is the foundation for that swingfeel concept where the swing is just feeling pure.
    I think I have been down the heavy vs light thing too many times and for me heavy always wins. It just always wins. For my game, I need cheap points on serve, a fh I can slap or roll and a bh I can block or slice when under attack. Not to mention the comfort aspect.
    The holic in me wanted to buy one of each vcore, but realistically I know I'd be selling the light ones.
     
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    The 98d and the tec are similar frames with a stiff feel. The tec is more of a swashbuckling frame, you know what Im talking about, you can do anything with it, it is a carving frame the way it gets around the edge of the ball is crazy. Strangely the tec is the GOAT volleying frame for me. I feel like I can pick up anything, the bite is just crazy and the droppers are brutal.
    Now the 98d will need a little customization to hang with the tec...light racquet syndrome, the handle feels airy on hard hit balls. But...whats cool about the 98 is that you can utterly smoke flat shots. Really good pop on the frame. Really good. But in stock form I think the tec is sweeter. Siliconed handle, blackcode...its a sweet setup.
     
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    Fed, others,

    What frame would you say the 98D may slightly remind you of? What does it play similarish to?
     
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    Tec 320, Pure Drive Team
     
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    Ah, okay... hmm, so how's it for solidness and control?
     
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    The control is very good. The solidness is ok. Its super good for a sub 11.5 racquet but thats kind of like saying a veggie burrito is filling...I would add .5 oz to the frame. The upper hoop is rock stiff.
    Ironically the super light 100s has better (softer) feel.
    For plushness and spin I would go with rdis200. For power and slapshots 98d.

    I chose 95d because it feels like ps85 on steroids, but Im intrigued by the other offerings.
     
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    Cheers FK for those little summations. I confess to actually knowing zero about these frames and wasn't initially interested TBH. From what you say, and from what presently is important to me in a stick, that rdis200 may at least be worth me reading up on.
     
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    Doctor Gads will be diagnosing the frame for us...prognosis is good. Paintjob looks healthy, gripshape and all vital signs are positive, feel is well above average. Remarks on FYP will be forthcoming....
     
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    I'm on it. The patient in question appears to have arrived a day early, though I wasn't in the home office at the time of arrival, so I must pick it (him or her?) up from a FedEx locale tonight.

    Will check its pulse and blood pressure (stringjob) before deciding whether to take it straight out or take it in for an immediate stringjob. I have a set of BHS 16, Hyperion 17 and Silverstring. Given that I'm in a current love affair with BHS 17 in my tight-pattern Ace, I'm thinking the 16 for the open-pattern 200 might be the proper initial prescription.
     
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    The 6.1 adventure will soon be in full swing. The nCodes that Gads snagged for me arrived today and really are in just absolutely amazing condition. The BLX is up for a stringjob and a regrip (the original owner was 1hbher and cut the grip down). So all three frames will be getting new Pro Hybrid grips, 4g of lead at 10 and 2 and 4g on the handle. This should give them all the same appx. weight and SW. For as bad as Wilson QC can be I seem to have three pretty evenly matched frames.

    I'm stringing them up with SP Tornado 17 at 56/54 and then I will be hitting the courts. Updates to come.
     
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    So Ive decided after doing some reading up on stuff that full poly hybrids should consist of a thicker mains and thinner cross and this as it happens has amazing performance qualities. It seems that crosses do not string up tighter, due to friction they string up looser so a thinner guage which is relatively stiffer matches the tension of a thicker mains if you match tension mains and crosses.

    Biggest problem now is what poly with what....
    mains: pacific power pro, b5e, PP Blackout
    crosses: Iontec, PP Gold Power (Mosquito Bite), PP Plus power (SPPP)

    Im thinking Blackout 1.25/Iontec 1.20 or B5e 1.24/Gold Power 1.22

    Wish I had a few more mellys! God there's loads of possibilities if you start thinking like this :(
     
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    That's basically what I do with my Pure Drives – some lead under the bumper, leather grip, overgrip, dampener. About 340g static (a good 20g less than my QC-challenged 6.1 95) and 340 SW. Works for me.

    Going to ground myself tomorrow with the new IG Prestige Mid before I embark on my Black Drive journey. The paintjob on this thing is truly horrible though.
     
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    The Prestige or the Black Drive? To me the Prestige PJ is gorgeous, even with the gummy cap.
     
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    The Prestige. The red on red Head logotype on the throat, for example. Urgh. I've matched the gummy cap with a light-grey Yonni Supergrap, though, so that helps a little.
     
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    I hit with a pd and 200 side by side in Sept for a couple of weeks, i was very tempted by the 200. It esp for it's weight felt solid, more so than the PD cortex spin i thought was fairly similar serving it lost out on slightly but it's a contender in that kind of catagory without a doubt.A nice solid hit the one i was testing from a local coach was his last and a grip size 1 so was too rounded for my liking otherwise i'd of given it more time.
     
  48. Power Player

    Power Player G.O.A.T.

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    The 6.1 currently owns the thread but it breaks down like this right now on racquets being tested:

    Gads - rdis 200
    Fedk- yonex vcores
    808- new black pd
    Meghan- melbourne
    Me - pro open, kps88

    Ross- everything
    :)
     
  49. mad dog1

    mad dog1 Hall of Fame

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    man, you guys are too much! :lol:

    w/ all the recent talk about yonex, i'm busting out the old R-22 for a test spin. :p

    and have a RDiS100 mp and a RDS001 mp incoming. :mrgreen:
     
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  50. JGads

    JGads Hall of Fame

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    If I sell the BC20 and the shoes I have up for sale right now, then I may add the IG Prestige MP to my madness. The 6-1, 6-7 sets I pulled off against my goat hitting partner are lingering in the mind. Like a Chumbawamba song.
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2012

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