Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.
OMG!... Now that's just downright strange!
(^^^^^I think there are psychotropics for that,:lol::wink:
Played poorly today...with all racquets. All impressions of the YTEP and EXO3 Tour are invalid.
Dudes...have you seeeeen the specs on the new IG extreme pro? 12.2 strung and 74 stiff! Ouch? This thing must be the ultimate rocket launcher...
Man, that'll be one stiff hit! :shock: The only Extreme Pro I've ever played - the MGEP, I found very stiff and harsh, and that's got to be a lower RA by quite a margin, I'd guess, than this IGEP. Again though, these things are subjective, as I never had problems with the PD+ or APD, but had big issues with the Wilson 6.1's (HPS and PSC = arm killers!), and more recently I really liked the TF vo2 320 but found it harsh and tinny too... also, for sure it should be mentioned, I'm noticing such a difference these days as I'm stringing poly significantly lower.
You still wielding the YTEP, or what have you moved on to, Fed?
Still YTEP for match play. Always have the 88 in my bag in case a national security issue arises...Been developing an interest in playing smarter tennis, volleying and dubs so I was thinking about a lateral move to something less club-like.
I tried out some of the new sticks like exo3 tour and blade 98 blx, but there was nothing amazing or worth switching.
I got a used 03 white (isner stick) that I loaded up with hyperion. This is a nice stick. Perfect for dubs. I would have to add a little weight for singles.
Some sticks I would like to try with good string: Donnay x blue 99, Becker London, IG extreme/pro, just haven't gotten around to it.
One constant here: I love hyperion! Simplifies things greatly.
You should try the IG Speed 16x19. It's like the EX03 Tour but with better feel and it can actually serve a tennis ball, and quite well, actually. Best of the new 2011 sticks, in my book, and I've tried a few now (Blade 98, VCore, EXO3 Tour). TI80 Lite I've championed as well, obviously (but technically a 2010 stick, I believe).
Yeah,....RA's like that kinda scare me....:-?....(be a cold day in He** before i swing somethin THAT stiff!!!)
I think the super open pattern of the yt extreme takes away some of the stiffness, it plays stiff but its not harmful (for me). 74 is a crazy number but it might play great...its kind of a throwback to the 80s super stiff vibe, like the 4.2 prostaff 95 I think...I never hit it but it was actually a stiffer 6.1 classic....which I think was up at 70 itself. I'm genuinely curious.
That new Henin stick is super stiff too (although she just retired with elbow injury)
Fed, JG, Old, ret, everyone,
Me too!... I'm in the process of experimenting with my full poly jobs, but this is still probably the one to beat.
If I wasn't converted away from my racketaholic past, this frame would be of interest to me too.
Ha! Ha!... LMAO!!... :lol: funniest line I've read in a while... Wilson should use it as part of their advertizing in selling the frame!:roll: ... btw, that reminds me of an old very funny TT thread - I'll try and dig it up if I can locate it.
Calling ret!.... calling ret!.... calling ret!...
Please explain yourself re this comment from a different thread:
Seriously, I'm just curious ret. I had the occasional hit with my old PD+ (played for a good year or two with this some years back) at the end of last year and, though I didn't really want to admit it, I played a bit better with this than my APD. It's just tailor-made, 100 per cent, a perfect fit for the modern b-line bashing game. I also found I could nail winners and flatten out with this better than with the APD. There's a tad more inherent weight/SW. Serve and 2hbh is really 'assisted' with this frame for oomph. I'd also add I think the feel is grossly underrated. If you want to go plus-sized and you're a b-line basher, I think the old PD+ is great, and I can imagine the GT is a slight improvement as well.
What you saying, ret?:wink:
I didn't notice much of a difference between the current GT models of the PD, PD+ and PDR and the previous generation. I do miss the baseline bashing you describe and might dig the things up and hit with them again. Maybe after all this searching I'll come full circle and end up back with the PDs...
2 YT Radical OS
2 YT Radical Pos
2 MG Prestige Pros
2 EXO3 Tour 100 16x18
2 EXO2 Tour 100 18x20
Someone please tell me if there's professional help for this !!!
yes, call 1-800-SHR-INK1
...only meant it as a joke, pls don't get offended
There is no cure, there is only paypal, TT and the support of your peers. Why did you get both patterns of the ex03 tour?
That's just a measure of how serious the addiction is. I can hear bsandy sitting there thinking, "I wonder how those new EXO3 Tours hit...maybe I should just buy one...or two in case I really like them and TW sells out...and then there's the 18x20 pattern...okay, four then."
I hit with the 16x18 again today along with an Ozone Tour. Both had Blue Gear strung at 60 lbs. On most groundstrokes and serves I preferred the Ozone due to its slightly stiffer feel. I just felt more confidence when placing the ball from the baseline because I'm more used to the flex. The exception was my casual 1HBH, for which the EXO felt great. The Ozone felt a tad more powerful, too. That said, I agree that the EXO can put some serious spin on the ball...maybe not as much as a Pure Drive or Aero Pro, but for such a noodle of a frame I was impressed. Volleys felt smoother with the EXO than the Ozone. I have a nasty habit of adopting an upright, wrong-footed volley posture when balls come screaming at me, and the EXO helped to soften those angled put-aways. Both of these frames are very "groovy" racquets. By that I mean it takes some time to know just how hard I have to swing at a serve or just how much swipe I need to spin a forehand down inside the baseline, but once I do, play seems pretty effortless.
I have touched the hand of god, I mean the new iggE pro.
It is the stiffest racket of all time. Dampener mandatory.
Just reading that gave my elbow a twinge.
The new iggE pro feels more nimble than its predecessor.
Reports of a 12.2 weight were erroneous. The ride is firm like the old pure drives. The demo string is BS, I cannot give a full review yet.
Just wanted to update my PSTGT customizations here since I stumbled on this frame through this thread. I really like this racquet as a platform and I've been tinkering with different setups. After reading several threads and trying all sorts of lead and silicone handle setups, I decided on the following setup on the PSTGT:
- 3g/.1oz lead at 12 o'clock
- 9.3g/.33oz bluetack poster adhesive shoved in the handle (like silicone but MUCH easier to work with)
- Genesis Typhoon at 53 lbs.
Needless to say, I'm having a blast tinkering and may not buy new frames for a long while. I can't say enough great things about tinkering with lead and the bluetack stuff. The ball feels so much better and I'm hitting a huge ball. I used to be against the lead/silicone stuff, but with this bluetack stuff, it's so easy to work with. You cut out how much weight you need and shove it in under the buttcap. No mess and greatly enhanced feel and plow. A smooth swing just pancakes the ball and the noise is awesome. I think I'm right around 12.7 oz now and it still feels pretty manageable.
Anyway, if you ever thought silicone sounds like a pain, go get some of this poster adhesive stuff (bluetack or bluestick). It's worth a try, I highly recommend it.
Continue on with the racketaholism...
I am still content with the stock weight of the racquet. It allows me to hit very heavy balls and the control, as we know, is a 10. I have gone with the Typhoon myself though, as I feel it is a great match. But I also have 2 more packs of Pro Hurricane, and really my only complaint is the sharp tension drop..hence the switch to the typhoon.
It appears that sampras has switched to the PSTGT, and is placing his lead at 3 and 9 where the PJ indicates.
in my opinion hurricane-enough string of mediocre, not of good quality and durability.
I love Hurricane in the Tfight and the PST. It boils down to personal feel..etc, but I have been hitting very well with it. It just drops so much tension so rapidly. cool thing is that it stabilizes after that and I have not had a problem. Just wanted to return to Typhoon to see if I could save a little cash and get a little more tension consistency.
I think Typhoon would be a great setup in the PST. A nice combo with the typhoon's power and the control of the PST. Can't wait to hear how it plays. I loved typhoon in my ytpp.
Have you tried Hexonic in there? I know you loved it in the Tfibre.
Now that it's warming up, I'm enjoying Tour bite again, but I might get something softer for next winter....even though I don't want to think that far ahead. I've got Optic Nerve from Klip in 1 stick and it's great at driving the ball and it's fairly soft as well. I tried a multi mains/poly cross set up this week: EPIC FAIL for me. Wow, it just didn't work on so many levels
I have not tried Hexonic in the pst yet. I will though for sure. It is such a great string. My plan is to go through 2 sets of Typhoon, then Hexonic. That way I am not switching too often and can learn each string again in the PSTGT. I know that Pro Hurricane will work just fine, so now it is just fine tuning and getting a cheaper string that performs better.
The PSTGT is so much more arm friendly for a full poly setup than most racquets I have used. I have 2, and one is full natty gut, and to be honest, I can not tell a huge difference in feel or comfort.
16x18 for social doubles.
18x20 for serious tennis.
I've got a Prince Woodie I use for feeding, when I teach.
It's amazing... it's incredible... it's something of a miracle - but I still am yet to stray from my Prestige Pros! :lol:
All right, it's only been a month or so... I still occasionally find myself wanting a bit more, what can I call it?...er, 'baseline authority and kabooming topspin' (but I know that's technique, 'operator error', etc)... I haven't played lots recently... and when I do, the grim English weather here - usually windy, or rainy, or both :evil: - usually has a major negative impact... I'm not exactly in peak training mode (well, unless you count the kind of training you conduct in Devonshire pubs!)... buuuuuut... none-the-less... give a certified, fully fledged, life-long racketaholic a break here!... I haven't bought or been checking out other frames for, as I say, about a month... "The choir bursts into: Halleluyah!" :roll:...
So... cheers worldwide racketaholics... I'll drink to that!
Good work ross. I am proud of ya. your game is going to get better because you are going to learn how to get power from the racquet that you like. It will take some time, but you will figure out nuances about your game that only come with months spent with the same stick.
PP, PED, others,
On the strings tip, have to say I've clearly swapped being a racketaholic for being a string-head :shock:! By which I mean, it's probably time I stop with the string purchases, that is, unless I wish to go into business or something (honestly, there's a pile of strings just sitting in a box that I'll never use probably.)
Anyhow, just to add to the discussion, I, too, really liked PHT, Tour Bite, am really looking forward to checking Typhoon in my PP, and am a fan of 3 or 4 Signum strings too, and BHBR is another string I want to try in my PPs (failed to do that much for me in a TF 320 tbh.) I also had a dire session this morning with MSV Hex in my YTPP (not sure if it was the Hex, or windy weather, or terrible battered to heck tennis balls we borrowed), but I hadn't the faintest idea today where my shots were going to land... anyhow, all seems rather random to me this strings malarkey.:wink:
Oh, while we're at it... Hexonic?... hmmm... I'll have to look into that one... doh!:roll:
It is simple for me right now. Pro Hurricane is fantastic in my stick, but Typhoon and Hexonic each will get a go as well before I decide.
And the scary thing is, I can't quite imagine anything else has such a big range of qualities and attributes.... yes, certain frames may shine on serve and topspin fh, and another might be superb all court, and yet another might be a felt-ripping b-line tennis ball crusher, or whatever - but you get my point... the PP is just so good in so many respects... especially the TGK! :wink:
Oh yeah, I'm also checking out Solinco Revolusion too supposedly.... which btw sounds to me like a US soccer team???
Enjoy your days in the sun or rain or wind or whatever type of weather your racquet(s) might find. My own journey has come to a screeching halt in the form of a knee injury that I fear is another sprained or partially torn meniscus, something that also happened to me 15 months ago and kept me out for two months.
And as if the injury wasn't cruel enough, today came the added insult to my doorstep: a demo box filled with what was to be the last four racquets of my latest demo process.
I need a drink, but for a very different reason than Ross.
No offense to anyone with disabilities, but you could always try them out in wheelchair tennis. Hehe, or if you could just stand up and have a ball machine feed you balls in the same exact spot, at least you might still be able to swing the demos.
For me, I've slow down in collecting racquets because I just haven't found the time or hitting partners to go out and try them all. I did recently pick up a brand new condition Ti.Classic, which essentially was a Pro Tour MP made later for the Ti line. I'll probably get around to hitting with it eventually, though I'm thinking about CAPing it too.
Gads, that sucks bro. I hope it isnt a bad tear. This thread needs you.
Dudes, I cannot declare the new extreme IG pro to be the GEOAT. The ball quality is phenomenal and the swing feels slightly faster than YT but the stick is too damn stiff. Without a dampener it sounds like you are hitting a wine glass, not a tennis ball. Awesome rac, but not a doable change for me...I dont have a tender arm but I can feel the stiffness of this one and in the long run, I feel its no bueno.
I will still try the mp and the speed 16x19 because I am a rackaholic.
Terrible news. Can only hope it's not a lengthy lay-off. Commiserations... and as Fed posted, we definitely need your input here, so you recover soon, you hear!
Nice little concise mini-review there... and btw, some of your recent posts have really been cracking me up!... loved the thread about what was the GEOAT (greatest Extreme of all time)... and I also loved that line... what was it... let me see now..."there is no cure, there is only pay pal." Should be the signature for quite a few of us.:wink:
Thank you, gents. Nothing to do now but roam the boards even more probably and live vicariously.
Or toss in this latest review:
Black Ace Mid - Top contender for my new frame, this baby felt just as good as before coming out of the box. Dry swinging around the apartment was very fluid. Bounced ball on the string bed and just loved the FEEL.
Black Ace 98 - Came out of the box a tad slower, perhaps due to the larger head. Bouncing ball off the stringbed seemed to have a touch more vibration.
Gamma 340X - Smooth, smooth frame in the dry swing portion. Ball feels great bouncing off the stringbed. And that is One. Weird. Paintjob.
For my next review, I'll take a chair out to the courts, arm a few serves and weep into the night.
Holics: I have devised an homage demo line-up.
Ig extreme mp (homage to myself)
Ig speed 16x19 (jgads)
Pure storm tour GT (power player)
Volkl Organix 8 (homage to the paintjob)
I have high hopes. The new extreme pro has been eliminated from GEOAT contention for comfort reasons. TW finally released the phantom specs, they were not as crazy as feared, in fact the Sw dipped considerably. I felt that while playing it. But the stiffness is...75. Totally felt that too. The mp looks slightly more promising.
thanks, I'm just interested in IG Speed 16x19. although it is not only to her, yet Yonex RQiS 2 Tour. sorry that this frame is not in your list. waiting for feedback on IG Speed
Yes! Your fellow holics rejoice and I, for one, am honored by your tribute! Should be an interesting batch, there.
Meanwhile, the excruciating knife-to-the-knee pains have subsided in the last 24 hours but I'm forcing myself into a trip to the Bay Area this weekend to see family, and also to keep myself off the tennis court. Pretty sure the same thing will happen as last time - the pain will in fact return once I 'test' it again on the court and I'll have to take an extended leave, but in the slim chance that this is something less I have yet to bow out of my league until I give it a full week-plus off the court and test it again in a little while. And so I wander around my apartment, bouncing the ball off the stringbeds of my demos, peering sadly onto these boards and watching the Indian Wells Classics on Tennis Channel.
It is a wonder that I maintain having a girlfriend...
If you haven't already, any thoughts at all on checking the TF V02 320, Fed?
I only ask as I think it shares a few traits with your YTEP (like close RA levels I think, huge spin, big oomph, easy and indeed fast re maneuverability and swinging, big serve pop, etc.)
If I hadn't have gone in the direction of the PP, I think I might well have gone to this frame as my primary - with the proviso that I could get a nice softish poly in there that I was happy with (help out with the inherant stiffness and slight tinniness), and could effectively add a bit of weight here and there (very small amounts), and get more comfortable with the grip (I found the grip's smooth rectangular feel a tad not to my liking and would want something you could a better hold of, something more... what's the word?... cushioned... cushiony... that kind of thing.)
Just wait until you have to maintain a wife.:lol:
Interesting... having played the last 2 sessions with my retail PP, when I returned to my TGK, I found it swung a bit heavier in the head and I might actually prefer the retails weight... hmmm... may have to 'open her up then!'... time to take a few grams off me thinks... (BTW, I think it's 4 grams of lead @ 12 on my TGK and about 2 @ 12 on my retail YTPP.)
Honored to make the list!
Fed, what are your thought on the Babolat Pure Drive or the PDR? Don't worry, my mind's made up on them, but if you like the YTEP...
Ret, I think pure drive and roddick version are some of the best racquets ever made for 4.0 hackers like myself.
I used to play the pure drive standard. I played better with it than the pdr, it was more comfortable, but the pdr was better returning serve. I had a very small amt of weight added to my pd.
For me it is a very subtle difference between pd/r, extreme, exo black, o3 white.
All these sticks are easy to play with, effortless serves, forgiving to the max, slight loss of control on the attacking forehand. They all produce the same ball, just the feel is different. I could play consistent bread and butter tennis with any of the above.
Of course there are some nuances: the pds serve probably the best, the princes are tops in comfort, the extremes flatten the ball a little better and kick ass on returns.
I consider myself a little bit of a moron for not sticking to PD and washing my hands of this insane rackaholism: not gonna lie my winning % with this one was a source of beauty and mystery.
Like the joker said: "I'm just a dog chasing cars"
Lastly, I am a ridiculously vain ******* with a dainty vanity backhand. There is something about using a PD, or a stick with a djokovic pj or anything like that hurts my fragile psyche.
Perhaps the red pd is the answer!
o3 White, eh? Oooooh. Can't believe I missed that one. On sale for $100. But I can't demo it. What ever should I do?
PD (standart) definitely not the best stick against 4.5 NTRP and above. And in any case not the most comfortable frame. Any strikes are off-center, a pain in the elbow is provided. I have many friends who play this racket, all the problems with his elbow. At first I thought that the case in the racket, but after a mini-test, discovered this. I think with the same specifications BLX PRO Open will be more comfortable, it has less stiffness, and overall I think the Wilson`s quality exceed Babolat
The Pure Drive Roddick is a golden stick created by Thor himself. Only reason I did not buy it is because I would need to use gut with poly just to play it safe down the road. It is a racquet that could easily cause some issues in the arm, if you are not careful. I swing aggressively, and while it is very nice when you hit clean, it also makes the occasional shank a painful experience with the wrong racquet.
Even with the comfier Pure Storm Tour, I have had some soreness in the old wrist after a long session, but nothing that lingers.
I will say that a legendary Racquet Master named BobFL really showed me something when he unleashed a ProKennex Black Ace this weekend. Something about a 93 sized racquet that has always made me jealous. Maybe since I played a 90 for a long time when I grew up. Anyway, the interesting thing is that the 98 is considered the more advanced stick.
Which one of you sickos has played the Ace? And no, I have really no complaints at all with the PSTGT, it is a thing of beauty. The Ace always had me curious, but I forgot all about it until Bob pulled it out of his bag.
In stock form, I agree with you, but I've found that both the PD and APD are great even against big hitters with some minor mods. I've got my APD's at a 31.9 cm balance and 341g static weight and they're just great: rock solid with plenty of power and control. I've used them on and off for 4 years and no elbow problems.
My son played with the blx 95 16X18 which is a great stick but 351g strung was always a bit much for me. My modded apd's remind me a lot of the BLX but with 10g less weight to haul around. Great setup for me.
Have to edit that Bob clairified that he uses the 98 Black Ace. Bob is a giant among men and he makes it look a 93. He also would be a worthy contributor to this thread since he has played with a lot of good racquets.
I liked my PDGT+ frames, but when I bought them I was delusional and thought I could play with a 4 1/2 grip size. In reality, a 5/8 is more comfortable, so I put some heat-shrinks on them. That bumped the weight a little too much and they really started to hurt my arm. This, plus my discovery of the HEAD Extreme MP (plus lead) made me sell them. Now I miss them and am looking for another one in a 5/8. A new PJ is due in 2012, so maybe I'll get just one now and wait to get more then. Overall I liked the frames. They needed to be strung tight to control the power. Like 65 tight. Fresh poly helped, too. Great for baseline bashing!
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